maplesyrup Posted October 6, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 There is a littlle more to it than that. The Liberals are in serious trouble provincewide. One would think that having won 58% of the vote in Surrey in the 2001 election, this by-election would be a piece of cake. But their fortunes have fallen so low they couldn't even get a contested nomination meeting, and have ended up with a nightmare scenario in their choice of candidate. Ask people in BC who is the m ost devisive person in the province and Mary Polak's name will be at the top, or very close to the top of the list. 'We've Lost Control of the Party' Even before the Gordon Campbell Liberals got elected in their sweep of the 2001 election, questions were being asked about how long the coalition he had formed could live together in comfort.The coalition covered, after all, such a broad sweep of the political territory. On one side, were members who were strong federal Liberals, who could perhaps best be described as fiscal conservatives (with a small c), but socially liberals (especially when one looked at such watershed issues as gay and lesbian rights or abortion). On the other, are those whose federal alliances now lie with the new Conservative Party and were formerly with Reform/Canadian Alliance and who embrace a distinctly conservative platform on social issues as well as economic ones. The answer to the question of how long such strange bedfellows could lie comfortably with each other after an election is becoming increasingly clear. Three years or just a little more. There are ever-more signs that the tension between the two groups is growing exponentially, especially in the months since the federal election. Most of the disgruntled are from the more truly-liberal camp, who are beginning to feel that the social conservatives are taking on much too large a voice in party and government affairs. Out of the loop Not that any of the Campbell Liberals is likely to raise the issue publicly. The time is far too close to the next provincial election to allow for any public dissension. And Campbell has done an exceptionally good job in ensuring that his MLAs don't engage in the practice - much-celebrated in B.C. politics - of eating their young in public. When anonymity is promised, however, the grumblings from the classic-liberal MLAs are growing in bitterness, in strength, and in volume. They feel that their views are not listened to in caucus any more. They feel they are being left out of the loop and not provided with the key information that they need to make good decisions. Worst of all, they fear that if the Liberals do win the May election, the party will then take a quick shift to the extreme right, enacting policies that they don't support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellowtraveller Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 One would think that having won 58% of the vote in Surrey in the 2001 election, this by-election would be a piece of cake.Well, you may think that, but only if you're not paying attention to history. Again, by - elections are rarely an indication of who won or lost a general election, or who will win or lose the next general election. Your premise is incorrect. I'm neither a Liberal or an NDP and have no stake and little interest in the outcome. But them's the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caesar Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 Yes of course fellow; you are not a Liberal; probably very right wing just like these so called liberals in BC. Why woulld we want these characters back after our premier embarrassing us by being arrested for drunk driving in a foreign country; saddling us with paying 3 RCMP around the clock to escort him everywhere (funny how he suddenly needed this protection after losing his driver's license) Selling BC rail after say he would not during the election. Then the raid on the legislature; one ministerial aide that we are still paying; time to come clean and give us the facts, Health care has gone downhill; seniors prescriptions have gone skyword; children's ministries decimated; yet a loan to Campbell's wife's cousin for millions is forgiven. (why this crook was hired in the first place????) All the other assets of this province he has sold off ( excuse long long term lease) to foreign interests. The Ferry system transforms into a private company that doesn't have to answer to the people or use Canadian labour . Despite these sell offs; he has greatly increased the deficit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellowtraveller Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 No, what I meant was that I have no interest in who wins or loses in BC. I'm trying to find any relationship between your post/rant and mine - any connection to the subject which I thought was a BC by-election, no luck. I've read a few posts now and can see how it works here. I like discussions, you folks are preaching to the choir. Enjoy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplesyrup Posted October 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 Another Klein right winger - you seem to have the stench! This performance keeps getting repeated time and time again. Canadians are so thoroughly brainwashed by the right wing business community with their massive and relentless marketing BS, that when they hear another option they assume it is coming from the most despicible form of life to them, a social democrat. Welcome to the 21st century where just perhaps, with the internet, communications are going to get evened out in our society and future generation Canadians will not grow up with ridiculous assumptions that working people and unions are some evil parasites growing like cancers on our society. The only sick people around here are the rich who refuse to share their wealth yet try to promote the ridiculous idea they are good Christians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slavik44 Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 Another Klein right winger - you seem to have the stench! This performance keeps getting repeated time and time again. Canadians are so thoroughly brainwashed by the right wing business community with their massive and relentless marketing BS, that when they hear another option they assume it is coming from the most despicible form of life to them, a social democrat. Welcome to the 21st century where just perhaps, with the internet, communications are going to get evened out in our society and future generation Canadians will not grow up with ridiculous assumptions that working people and unions are some evil parasites growing like cancers on our society. The only sick people around here are the rich who refuse to share their wealth yet try to promote the ridiculous idea they are good Christians. extremists never have the answer wether he is right wing or she is left wing, niether of them will do what is correct. I woudl say the NDP took the wrong aproach in helping people, they disabled them. They may have given people a fancy wheel chair but they were still in a wheel chair, unfortuantley Gordo stole the wheel chair. I am with caesar on this one, we need a more centraly aligned party.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplesyrup Posted October 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 A guaranteed annual income would end all this nonsense about welfare, etc. Why won't the rich let it happen? Because they do NOT want to share their wealth, so they think by offering a GAI they will have to share more. I believe the opposite is true, government bureaucracy and costs would drop substantially, poor people would have some dignity again, and with better esteem, more will seek work. Don't think for a second we are not in a class war, the rich constantly trying to crush the poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caesar Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 Yes, but ultimately we will have fast transit from downtown Vancouver to the airport. Now I use to live in Van, an boy oh boy, anything that will help relive the traffic congestion between south Vancouver and Richmond is a good thing. Agreed; but not this system nor this route with all its tunnelling. There is an Arbutus corridor that comes with a rail line that gives a clear and easy path for rapid transit. It is far away from any houses so less disruption to homes and businesses. It would be much cheaper. We do not need to build the largely underground system. Whgo wants to ride around in a tunnel? Much more dangerous and would not interest tourist who do like to ride skytrain asd see our city. Can't see much underground. More prone to attack or disasterous air quality accidents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellowtraveller Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 What an astonishing set of assumptions! It's little wonder you get so few responses. I've challenged your premise, that a by-election anywhere in Canada means much in terms of forecasting results in a general election. How do you get from there to class wars, evil parasites, good Christians, etc etc?? Are you desperately seeking bogeymen? Look elsewhere comrade, look elsewhere. May I suggest decaf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 How do you get from there to class wars, evil parasites, good Christians, etc etc?? Welcome to Syrup-Town. It's a surreal place to visit, but you wouldn't want to live there. -kimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplesyrup Posted October 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 New Farm Worker Abuses Uncovered I hope the voters in Surrey Panarama Ridge will reflect on the impact of the Campbell Liberal policies when they go to the polls in less than 3 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caesar Posted October 9, 2004 Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 Whatever; one little be election really means little. The abuses on farms is nothing new and means little. Stick to the main issues. Campbell has attack the middle working class. I don't want the pendulum to swing all the way back to catering to the poor who will not help themselves. I do have sympathy for those with legitimate disabilities but not to guarantee any bum on the street a living income whether he works or not. That is going waaaaay too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplesyrup Posted October 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 caesar....to a certain extent I agree with you, but here there are clear abuses by employers which is well documented in the report. I do believe though that all this focusing on some poor guy who justs can't seem to get his act together is a waste of time, money and government resources, while most of the really big crooks at the top are getting away scottfree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplesyrup Posted October 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 caesar.....I don't think you have to worry about any one political party forming the government by themselves in the next election in BC. From what I am hearing, there will be at least four 77 candidate political parties in the next election so hopefully we will get a minority government, and combined with the Citizen's Asembly referendum on proportional representation, this Campbell Liberal government may be our last majority government for a very long time in BC. In other words these polarizing groups are going to be forced to work together by the BC citizens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplesyrup Posted October 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Third right wing political party nominates candidate for Surrey Panarama Ridge, BC by-election on October 28th. Starting to get crowded over there on the right, just the way us lefties want it. In the right corner, wearing a blue skirt is anti-gay Liberal candidate Mary Polak. Again in the right corner, wearing a green jumper is Green Party Leader Adrienne Carr. And again in the right corner, wearing a red smock is Shirley the Reform BC Party candidate. Versus the David In this David and Golliath story, in the middle of the ring, wearing blue and gold, the John Travolta lookalike entrenneur East Indian New Democratic candidate Jagrup Brar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 In the right corner, wearing a blue skirt is anti-gay Liberal candidate Mary Polak. Is there somewhere we could read about this for ourselves? Again in the right corner, wearing a green jumper is Green Party Leader Adrienne Carr. Ah yes. Those right-wing extremists, the Greens. And again in the right corner, wearing a red smock is Shirley the Reform BC Party candidate. How is it that BC has no PC party? Versus the David In this David and Golliath story, Are you sure he's the "David" in this story? Given the troubles of the BC Liberal government, and splitting of right wing votes you mentioned, and the ethnic vote manipulation Caesar mentioned, it sounds like Jagrup might actually be Goliath here... in the middle of the ring, wearing blue and gold, the John Travolta lookalike entrenneur East Indian New Democratic candidate Jagrup Brar. ... I still can't see how Jagrup looks like John Travolta or any other movie star (except maybe Robert Davi ...and movie star is pushing it...) However, looking at this photo: http://www.thenownewspaper.com/issues04/09.../093204nn4.html I do think Carole James looks an awful lot like that other well-known Canadian actor Sheila Copps.... -kimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplesyrup Posted October 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 The Silence on Sex Candidate Whatsa matta you, don'tcha know how to use google? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caesar Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 How is it that BC has no PC party? We do, they call themselves the Liberals. Gordon Wilson revived the Liberal party here in BC; the knives came out and he was ousted; easier than starting from scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplesyrup Posted October 14, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Just ask Judy T, now his main sqeeze, and she will tell you all about it. Gordon Wilson, if he had stayed where he was as leader of the Democratic Alliance, would probably be BC premier today, but he was lured away by the big bad NDP led by BC Premier Glen Clark at the time. You know Glen Clark that criminal, oops, actually the right wing media got that wrong, although they tried hard as hell to convict him, that former BC non-criminal premier. I always get them confused. It is BC Premier Gordon Campbell that is the criminal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caesar Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 Well Glen Clark is doing well making Jimmy Pattison richer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplesyrup Posted October 22, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Yo! someone looking for a poll. A poll released last week by the B.C. Federation of Labour puts Jagrup Brar and the New Democratic Party at 44 percent, Mary Polak and the Liberals at 41.5 percent and Adriane Carr and the Green Party at 13.8 percent. Good ole Greens, you can count on them to help keep the the most environmentally destructive political party in the province in power. A bigger buinch of morons I don't think I have met anywhere. :angry: The Liberals are pulling out all the stops to win this by-election next week including lowering the sales tax which they had raised. Campbell knows he is done like dinner if they lose this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slavik44 Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Yo! someone looking for a poll. A poll released last week by the B.C. Federation of Labour puts Jagrup Brar and the New Democratic Party at 44 percent, Mary Polak and the Liberals at 41.5 percent and Adriane Carr and the Green Party at 13.8 percent. Good ole Greens, you can count on them to help keep the the most environmentally destructive political party in the province in power. A bigger buinch of morons I don't think I have met anywhere. :angry: The Liberals are pulling out all the stops to win this by-election next week including lowering the sales tax which they had raised. Campbell knows he is done like dinner if they lose this one. whats wrong MS? not as big of blow out as you would have liked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Good ole Greens, you can count on them to help keep the the most environmentally destructive political party in the province in power. A bigger buinch of morons I don't think I have met anywhere. :angry: How about Ralph Nader? -kimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caesar Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 Ralph Nader is an aggravating nuisance. I hope nobody votes for him. What is his point, anyhow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caesar Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Well it appears that the NDP won the bi election in Surrey. Poor Maple can't come on a gloat and dramatize this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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