U.N arms treaty

[waldo]

We don't need to sign this treaty and give control to the UN.

what? Still no supporting citation for your "one world goal" claim? What are you waiting for?

whatever control you presume upon, that control rests within UN member countries, shaping the treaty, refining the treaty and if/as required, amending the treaty.

[GostHacked]

what? Still no supporting citation for your "one world goal" claim? What are you waiting for?

whatever control you presume upon, that control rests within UN member countries, shaping the treaty, refining the treaty and if/as required, amending the treaty.

Policies that you and I will never have a say in. Our 'elected' leaders have that say on our behalf and will implement a law without even consulting the Canadian population. Canada is being sold out. It's a long term goal and has incrementally been going on.

http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter1.shtml

The Purposes of the United Nations are:

To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;

To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;

To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion; and

To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends.

[waldo]

Canada is being sold out. It's a long term goal and has incrementally been going on.

where in your quoted UN Charter Purposes/Principles... or even within the UN Charter Preamble... do you find your "one world order" boogeyman?

Canada for sale? A long term goal? To what ultimate end? Who set that goal? What prices? Who have been/who are... your sellers? Sale examples?

[dre]

Umm... care to explain how the treaty will do any of these things? It's just another worthless UN piece of paper, ignored by anyone who finds it inconvenient. How are the nuclear armaments treaties working out? The chemical arms ones? The resolutions regarding peace in the middle east? Or even the climate initiatives? The UN is full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Any treaty can be violated. International treaties are supposed to become part of domestic law. The UN is only as good as its member states, and no treaty framework is ever going to be any better than that.

Its basically just a table for countries to sit around, and try to forge agreements on things. Your condemnation of the UN is akin to saying "the table sucks" when the people sitting around it cant agree on what to do. Rather silly.

As far as enforcement goes, the UN was not designed to change the balance of power. Most countries are not even on the UNSC and the most powerful countries at the time were granted a permanent veto. This obviously results in a lot of things not getting done, but it had to be that way because the most powerful countries were not going to simply agree to give up that power.

Edited October 7, 2013 by dre

[G Huxley]

Great so Canada has been taken over by the wingnuts, including many on this board.

A sad day for Canada when we're desperately scrambling to be in the club of the world's pariah states.

[Army Guy]

Any treaty can be violated. International treaties are supposed to become part of domestic law. The UN is only as good as its member states, and no treaty framework is ever going to be any better than that.

Its basically just a table for countries to sit around, and try to forge agreements on things. Your condemnation of the UN is akin to saying "the table sucks" when the people sitting around it cant agree on what to do. Rather silly.

As far as enforcement goes, the UN was not designed to change the balance of power. Most countries are not even on the UNSC and the most powerful countries at the time were granted a permanent veto. This obviously results in a lot of things not getting done, but it had to be that way because the most powerful countries were not going to simply agree to give up that power.

It does suck the whole table sucks, Bonam is right on the money, that may sound silly to you but it is the truth. they only thing the UN can agree on is that Israel is bad...everything else is well time wasted....

So how is this treaty going to change anything? do you think those countries with multi trillion dollar arms industries are going to just stop building wpns....do you think those countries that want to war are just not going to buy wpns...Now that is silly. It is time to dump the UN period.

[scribblet]

No surprise, the U.S. failed to ratify it. http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/news-from-nra-ila/2013/10/bipartisan-members-of-congress-oppose-un-arms-trade-treaty.aspx?s&st&ps

[Guest Derek L]

No surprise, the U.S. failed to ratify it. http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/news-from-nra-ila/2013/10/bipartisan-members-of-congress-oppose-un-arms-trade-treaty.aspx?s&st&ps

No surprise whatsoever.........So one has to ask, what’s the point of a treaty on small arms, sans the three largest manufactures (United States, Russia and China) of firearms and ammunition? With just the Russian AK-47 family (The boon to the Third World) alone, there nearly three times as many copies throughout the world as there are people living in Canada……

As to Canada’s involvement in said Treaty, I fail to see the benefit, well clearly seeing the drawbacks for a unique country that has next to no domestic manufactures of civilian firearms or ammunition…..