TTC Police Shooting

[Guest Derek L]

Riight. So now the guy is lunging at the cops legs with such accuracy that he severs a femoral artery.

Sure, it happens to prison guards with crude shanks made by inmates.

[ReeferMadness]

Riight. So now the guy is lunging at the cops legs with such accuracy that he severs a femoral artery.

Of course. If you see a guy wandering around with a pig-sticker in one hand and his dick in the other, you should draw the conclusion that he is the reincarnation of Bruce Lee and immediately shoot to kill. Although, from AW's comments, if you shoot to kill, you will miss most of your shots so you should actually try to miss which will cause you to shoot your opponent through the heart or between the eyes.

Got it?

Edited August 6, 2013 by ReeferMadness

[Guest Derek L]

I'm sure that American Woman will immediately berate you for predudging the inquiry. Unless, of course, she is biased and only cares about people who hold the view that excessive force was used.

And as for your chart and justification, I want someone to explain how someone who has already been shot and is lying on his back is "likely to serious bodily harm or death". Want to take a crack at that, Derek?

He may not have received a fatal or even serious wound from the initial 3 shots...hence still posed a threat.

[Guest American Woman]

Sure, it happens to prison guards with crude shanks made by inmates.

I posted a couple of incidents where cops were injured by a man with a knife; in one incident, four cops were injured, two of them seriously.

[ReeferMadness]

I'm suggesting the cop fired several rounds as they are trained to do for the reason given. If one is going to shoot, shooting several rounds seems to be standard procedure.

You haven't addressed the question. Sammy is on his back. Maybe he's still holding the knife but he's on his back. Are you telling me that he is putting 22 armed police in mortal danger?

[Guest American Woman]

You haven't addressed the question. Sammy is on his back. Maybe he's still holding the knife but he's on his back. Are you telling me that he is putting 22 armed police in mortal danger?

I did address the question. Reread what I said.

[Guest Derek L]

You haven't addressed the question. Sammy is on his back. Maybe he's still holding the knife but he's on his back. Are you telling me that he is putting 22 armed police in mortal danger?

22 I doubt, but the first one or two........Would you let someone stab or slash you with a knife?

[ReeferMadness]

He may not have received a fatal or even serious wound from the initial 3 shots...hence still posed a threat.

A guy 15 feet away on his back is a threat to 22 armed police?

Maybe we need to strart issuing police little tanks to drive around in so they won't feel so vulnerable.

[Guest Derek L]

I posted a couple of incidents where cops were injured by a man with a knife; in one incident, four cops were injured, two of them seriously.

Exactly, like the old saying, nobody wins a knife fight....

[ReeferMadness]

22 I doubt, but the first one or two........Would you let someone stab or slash you with a knife?

One more time. He's down. His legs are in the air. Is he going to kill someone at a distance of 15 feet with a knife? Same question for you, AW.

I can't tell if you just don't want to address the question or if you're being deliberately obtuse.

[Guest Derek L]

A guy 15 feet away on his back is a threat to 22 armed police?

Maybe we need to strart issuing police little tanks to drive around in so they won't feel so vulnerable.

Sure, it's plausible, but more likely a threat to any police/fire/paramedics trying to administer first aid.

[ReeferMadness]

Sure, it's plausible, but more likely a threat to any police/fire/paramedics trying to administer first aid.

Oh, now I get it. You're saying they had to kill the guy so that they could administer first aid. That makes much more sense than waiting for a guy who's been shot to put the knife down. Or waiting for the taser to arrive.

Are you a cop, Derek? It seems like you and Officer Trigger-Happy think alike.

[Guest Derek L]

Oh, now I get it. You're saying they had to kill the guy so that they could administer first aid. That makes much more sense than waiting for a guy who's been shot to put the knife down. Or waiting for the taser to arrive.

Are you a cop, Derek? It seems like you and Officer Trigger-Happy think alike.

Sure, the use of lethal force in intended to defend both the officers and the public, with consideration to the aggressor a distant third………with that said, we’re a humane society and will attempt to deliver first aide…Would it really have been better to let him lay there injured once he no longer poses a threat?

[jacee]

Sure, the use of lethal force in intended to defend both the officers and the public, with consideration to the aggressor a distant thirdwith that said, were a humane society and will attempt to deliver first aideWould it really have been better to let him lay there injured once he no longer poses a threat?

Too late for that.

[ReeferMadness]

Sure, the use of lethal force in intended to defend both the officers and the public, with consideration to the aggressor a distant third………with that said, we’re a humane society and will attempt to deliver first aide…Would it really have been better to let him lay there injured once he no longer poses a threat?

OK, this poor kid is on his back so it's fair to assume he's been hit at least once. Now Officer Trigger Happy has 3 options:

1. He can shoot him some more to finish him off
2. He can wait for the taser and use it to make the kid drop the knife
3. He can wait him out and/or talk him down until the kid drops the knife

So what do the cops choose? They elect both of the most violent options. First they shoot him some more and then they tase him. Unbelievable!!

What's even more unbelievable is you trying to justify this execution on the basis that it was more humane.

[jacee]

Or ... the kid's alone in the bus with a knife ... there's no hurry ... stand back and talk him down.

No shots needed.

[Guest Derek L]

OK, this poor kid is on his back so it's fair to assume he's been hit at least once. Now Officer Trigger Happy has 3 options:

1. He can shoot him some more to finish him off
2. He can wait for the taser and use it to make the kid drop the knife
3. He can wait him out and/or talk him down until the kid drops the knife

So what do the cops choose? They elect both of the most violent options. First they shoot him some more and then they tase him. Unbelievable!!

What's even more unbelievable is you trying to justify this execution on the basis that it was more humane.

Now in your scenario, what is the extent of the “kids” wounds?

[Guest Derek L]

Or ... the kid's alone in the bus with a knife ... there's no hurry ... stand back and talk him down.

No shots needed.

And what if he attempts to leave the bus?

[ReeferMadness]

Now in your scenario, what is the extent of the “kids” wounds?

I don't know. Presumably, neither do the cops. But he's down. Do you wait at least long enough to determine if he poses a threat or just keep on blasting away?

[ReeferMadness]

And what if he attempts to leave the bus?

If he attempts to leave the bus, you ressess his ability to cause harm and act appropriately. Presumably, a bullet wound is going to slow him down, unless he really in the reincarnation of Bruce Lee. Maybe you can use the taser at that point.

What you don't do is shoot him while he's down.

[cybercoma]

And you're being ignorant........We don't know if the first three shots ricocheted off a handrail or a part of the door assembly of the streetcar……and because they are hollow points, fragments sheared off with contact to metal hitting a person, though painful, are far from lethal or even incapacitating.

And 15-20 feet for a handgun with a ~4" barrel is not "close range".....

Wow, Derek. It was close enough range to fear the knife-wielding guy waving his penis around, but it's not close range for a well-trained police officer firing a handgun. Ignorance you say?

[cybercoma]

He may not have received a fatal or even serious wound from the initial 3 shots...hence still posed a threat.

Here's what you sound like...

Knife at that distance = serious threat, but cop shooting at that distance can't even hit the side of a barn.

Can I get some mustard to go with this pretzel?

[ReeferMadness]

Wow, Derek. It was close enough range to fear the knife-wielding guy waving his penis around, but it's not close range for a well-trained police officer firing a handgun. Ignorance you say?

Maybe, they should just starting issuing knives to police officers instead of firearms. They're obviously much more dangerous.

[cybercoma]

22 I doubt, but the first one or two........Would you let someone stab or slash you with a knife?

After he's shot 3 times and lying on his back, you mean?

[cybercoma]

And what if he attempts to leave the bus?

What if? Best to rush him on the bus and murder him, right? You know, just in case something that's not happening at all happens later.