Law and Order in America

[carepov]

I'm also still waiting for stats regarding her claim about the number of people killed by police. I have the feeling I'm going to be waiting a long time.

You must have missed it in my earlier post:

Here is some data from the US:

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ard0309st.pdf

On page 4, there is a steady increase in deaths [by police] from 376 in 2003 to 497 in 2009. This seems very high compared to the UK [19 deaths].

Edited August 8, 2013 by carepov

[kimmy]

Thanks for those statistics, carepov.

Here is a nice example of police invading a home without a search warrant.

How unlucky that family was to encounter so many bad apples at once. What are the odds of something like that happening? Seems like often these bad apple police come in groups with other bad apple police.

hmm.

-k

[Bob Macadoo]

Here is a nice example of police invading a home without a search warrant.

I especially liked the line; "Y'all just set us (sic black people) back 45 years......". I wonder if the deputy realizes how ironic that was.

[kimmy]

The RCMP itself says that the "bad apple" idea is a naive response to the issues (a "cop-out", one might say. *rimshot*)

One reason people should be critical of the "bad apple" concept is that "The Blue Code of Silence" is real. When a "bad apple" is protected from consequences by his department, they're accomplices. Note how many of these videos aren't one lone cop, but groups of them.

A second reason is the existence of bad institutional policies. Whether it be "stop and frisk" in New York or body-cavity searches for Texas motorists, or department-sanctioned use of SWAT teams for inappropriate purposes, or inadequate training (which has been discussed repeatedly by experts in wake of the Dziekanski incident)... you can't blame bad policies on bad apples.

-k

[GostHacked]

you can't blame bad policies on bad apples.

-k

Quite right, the bad policies allow bad apples.

[jacee]

One reason people should be critical of the "bad apple" concept is that "The Blue Code of Silence" is real. When a "bad apple" is protected from consequences by his department, they're accomplices.

-k

Well said.

The 'code of silence' is the code of criminals.

If they're covering for "bad apples", they are "bad apples".

[GostHacked]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/12/justice/new-york-stop-frisk/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

(CNN) -- The New York Police Department's controversial stop-and-frisk policy violates constitutional rights and must be altered, a federal judge ruled Monday.

Judge Shira A. Scheindlin's ruling stems from a class-action lawsuit claiming that the city's police officers routinely stopped minority men, particularly blacks and Latinos, without legal reasons.

Scheindlin said that an outside monitor will be appointed to oversee changes to the policy.

The police department had said that the policy -- in which police stop, question and frisk people they considered suspicious -- is used to deter crime. The practice is widely criticized.

The lead plaintiff in the case is David Floyd, a medical student who was stopped twice, once in the middle of the afternoon when he was in front of his home in the Bronx, according to the suit, which was filed in 2008.

The trial, which ended in May, featured nine weeks of testimony, including from men who say police stopped them for no reason and from police officers who say quotas forced them to make unnecessary stops.

'Legal' laws can be unconstitutional. Another case of quotas.

Widespread systematic problem.

[cybercoma]

Stop and frisk to deter crimes, eh? Another Machiavallian ends justify the means argument. If they don't respect you, at least they'll fear you.

[GostHacked]

Stop and frisk to deter crimes, eh? Another Machiavallian ends justify the means argument. If they don't respect you, at least they'll fear you.

But cybercoma, if you got nothing to hide, what's the problem? It's for your saftey right?!

[carepov]

Finally there is some good news, the US administration is waking up to the problem and it looks like members of both parties are agrreeing. This is evry hopeful.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/12/us-usa-crime-sentencing-idUSBRE97B03320130812

[Bonam]

Finally there is some good news, the US administration is waking up to the problem and it looks like members of both parties are agrreeing.

Hah! No changes that require congress to pass a law will be made. That's the one certainty in America.

Edited August 14, 2013 by Bonam

[dre]

Hah! No changes that require congress to pass a law will be made. That's the one certainty in America.

They dont require congress, or the senate or the two "parties of stupid" that inhabit them to do anything.

[dre]

Mean while... Canada doubles down on both the drug war and MMS's. What a bunch of retards.

[tonywilson]

This is nice vedio i would like to wach it thanks.

[GostHacked]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57602998/times-square-shooting-nypd-officers-shoot-two-innocent-bystanders-near-times-square/

NYPD officers fired three shots on a crowded Manhattan street near Times Square on Saturday night, missing the man they believed had a weapon but striking two bystanders, police said.

The incident happened just before 10 p.m. at 42nd Street and Eighth Avenue near the Port Authority Bus Terminal. A large investigation had the normally busy area around the Port Authority shutdown, WCBS New York reports.

Police said officers saw a man on foot weaving erratically through traffic and sometimes blocking vehicles. After approaching him, police said, the man reached into his pocket as if grabbing a weapon, and two officers fired a total of three shots. They missed him but struck a 54-year-old woman in the right knee and a grazed a 35-year-old woman in the buttocks, police said.

Yes firing into a crowded street is ALWAYS a good thing.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57602996/unarmed-man-possibly-looking-for-help-after-wreck-shot-by-police/

An unarmed man who may have been looking for help after a vehicle wreck was shot and killed by a police officer Saturday as he ran toward him, police said. The officer was later charged with voluntary manslaughter.

This is what happens now when you need help from the cops. They automatically consider you a threat.

Edited September 15, 2013 by GostHacked

[jacee]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57602998/times-square-shooting-nypd-officers-shoot-two-innocent-bystanders-near-times-square/

Yes firing into a crowded street is ALWAYS a good thing.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57602996/unarmed-man-possibly-looking-for-help-after-wreck-shot-by-police/

This is what happens now when you need help from the cops. They automatically consider you a threat.

Omigod! I guess we shouldn't try to get help from a cop! We'll have to retrain kids to call a cop for help, but NOT EVER approach one!

Something bothers me about this too:

Judge Shira A. Scheindlin's ruling stems from a class-action lawsuit claiming that the city's police officers routinely stopped minority men, particularly blacks and Latinos, without legal reasons.

...

The trial, which ended in May, featured nine weeks of testimony, including from men who say police stopped them for no reason and from police officers who say quotas forced them to make unnecessary stops.

Did the "quotas" make them 'unnecessarily' stop primarily African American and Latino men?

Edited September 16, 2013 by jacee

[GostHacked]

Omigod! I guess we shouldn't try to get help from a cop! We'll have to retrain kids to call a cop for help, but NOT EVER approach one!

Not very comforting if the cop treats you as hostile when you are looking for help.

Something bothers me about this too:

Judge Shira A. Scheindlin's ruling stems from a class-action lawsuit claiming that the city's police officers routinely stopped minority men, particularly blacks and Latinos, without legal reasons.

...

The trial, which ended in May, featured nine weeks of testimony, including from men who say police stopped them for no reason and from police officers who say quotas forced them to make unnecessary stops.

Did the "quotas" make them 'unnecessarily' stop primarily African American and Latino men?

The Stop and Frisk in NYC was deemed illegal and violated the NY state constitution. Cops just needed to suspect anything to stop and frisk anyone. It was also rife with abuse and the majority of targets were black.

[kimmy]

They be shootin' everybody up in here.

-k

[cybercoma]

Omigod! I guess we shouldn't try to get help from a cop! We'll have to retrain kids to call a cop for help, but NOT EVER approach one!

Something bothers me about this too:

Judge Shira A. Scheindlin's ruling stems from a class-action lawsuit claiming that the city's police officers routinely stopped minority men, particularly blacks and Latinos, without legal reasons.

...

The trial, which ended in May, featured nine weeks of testimony, including from men who say police stopped them for no reason and from police officers who say quotas forced them to make unnecessary stops.

Did the "quotas" make them 'unnecessarily' stop primarily African American and Latino men?

Combine this with the aggressive nature of police in recent years when you don't lick their boots.

[GostHacked]

It's come to Canada now too..

http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.1469568

[Argus]

It's come to Canada now too..

http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.1469568

Meh. You can't really tell anything from that video. You can't even see what the suspect was doing.

Edited September 26, 2013 by Argus

[GostHacked]

Meh. You can't really tell anything from that video. You can't even see what the suspect was doing.

No, but you can clearly see 3-4 police officers delivering 'appropriate force'.

[Argus]

No, but you can clearly see 3-4 police officers delivering 'appropriate force'.

But you can't see if that force is appropriate. It's not the same as that idiot mountie who kicked the kneeling guy in the head in full view of the cameras (clearly for no justifable reason at all).

[Argus]

I'm putting this here despite this being in the US Politics topic. I think, really, that there isn't any right place for us to discuss the issues with police as they seem prevelent on both sides of the border. This is coverage of the inquest into another completely unnecessary police shooting which will probably outrage a number of people concerned with the agressive way police apply force, including deadly force these days. You know, there was a time when a simple physical fight between a couple of brothers, long over, would lead to a couple of cops stopping by. Not today. Today we get zealous would-be commandoes in the form of SWAT guys with automatic weapons, probably masked and helmeted and definitely eager.


http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/10/15/greg-matters-haunting-final-message-to-his-mother-before-rcmp-killed-him-im-a-little-worried-about-whats-going-on/

Edited October 16, 2013 by Argus

[GostHacked]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/16/justice/cleveland-police-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

(CNN) -- More than 60 officers will be disciplined over a police chase last year that left two people dead in a hail of 137 bullets, Cleveland police said Tuesday.

Cleveland Police Chief Michael McGrath said 64 officers were found guilty of "administrative charges ranging from excessive speed to insubordination," in connection with their role in the 2012 police chase.

The announcement after the discipline hearings doesn't involve a pending review of possible criminal charges in the deadly incident, CNN affiliate WOIO reported.

Two months ago, McGrath had said 74 of 277 officers on duty the night of the chase could face disciplinary action.

Potentially a quarter of the force could have faced charges. That is staggering. I am glad they are facing charges here.