waldo Posted July 6, 2013 Report Posted July 6, 2013 Aren't you talking about weather here,waldo? We need long term data in order to make climate change claims. do you think you have a 'gotcha' there, Pliny? Did you read my linked World Meteorlogical Organization (WMO) document's Foreward Section and its reference to a 'decadal perspective'... and think, 'bazinga'! Well Pliny, considering the classic definition of climate and the related period of 'averaged weather' associated with climate has actually been defined by the WMO (as 30 years), you'll need to try harder! That linked WMO document draws it's decadal perspective relative to the WMO current climate normal period as calculated from Jan 1, 1961 to Dec 31, 1990. And, of course, as discussed many times in past MLW threads, that 30 year duration has been chosen by the WMO in its considerations of filtering out any interannual variation/anomalies in the context of a climatic trending time frame period. Try again Pliny... try harder! Quote
waldo Posted July 6, 2013 Report Posted July 6, 2013 Thank you for admitting that IPCC fans and alarmists are very troubled by criticism in popular media. Popular media criticizing IPCC fans and alarmists!!! It's the end of the world for sure!! guys, guys!!!... the only troubled point is your personal and skewed interpretation of "popular media"... the cartoonarama selections certainly fit your personal perspective within the realm of your popular media choices! Quote
Shady Posted July 6, 2013 Author Report Posted July 6, 2013 Just give the warmies and alarmists time to get their story straight....I'm sure they will figure out something.....eventually. Exactly. It's like whack-a-mole with them. They're constantly bringing up new issues in an attempt for fortify their claims. The latest being the oceans as the reason for the plateau. Even though it wasn't mentioned by them years ago in the initial claims of the increases in warming that we'd experience. A couple years from now it'll be something else. Rinse and repeat. But the science is settled!!! Quote
waldo Posted July 6, 2013 Report Posted July 6, 2013 Exactly. It's like whack-a-mole with them. They're constantly bringing up new issues in an attempt for fortify their claims. The latest being the oceans as the reason for the plateau. Even though it wasn't mentioned by them years ago in the initial claims of the increases in warming that we'd experience. A couple years from now it'll be something else. Rinse and repeat. But the science is settled!!! your desperation is glowing! - you've already been advised heat transfer, ocean warming, ocean heat content, etc., is anything but, as you state, "a new issue". - why persist in declaring it as such... when you have already been shown to be wrong in this regard? - what "plateau"? You've already been advised there is no "plateau"? - why persist in declaring it as such... when you have already been shown to be wrong in this regard? - what science is settled? You've already been advised that science is never settled? - why persist in perpetuating a long-standing denier ready-reach, ready-go-to, "science is settled" meme... when you have already been shown to be wrong in this regard? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 6, 2013 Report Posted July 6, 2013 Exactly. It's like whack-a-mole with them. They're constantly bringing up new issues in an attempt for fortify their claims. Yep.....first, the "science" was settled. Now that the "science" is blowing up in their faces, the "science" is not settled after all. Warmies should have leaned long ago not to mix politics with "science", not even in friendly Copenhagen. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Pliny Posted July 6, 2013 Report Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) move along now Pliny... you've tried this same tired talking point in the past. You can remain isolated in your comfy bubbleWorld fully believing, fully projecting, that there have been no related consequences of increased warming... no negative impacts, none whatsoever. Not denying warming, waldo. It's proven that the temperature over the last century has risen 1.5 degrees fahrenheit (that's about .8 degrees centigrade but 1.5 is a bigger number and much scarier so we should use that). The contention lies in the anthropogenic factor. do you think you have a 'gotcha' there, Pliny? Did you read my linked World Meteorlogical Organization (WMO) document's Foreward Section and its reference to a 'decadal perspective'... and think, 'bazinga'! Well Pliny, considering the classic definition of climate and the related period of 'averaged weather' associated with climate has actually been defined by the WMO (as 30 years), you'll need to try harder! That linked WMO document draws it's decadal perspective relative to the WMO current climate normal period as calculated from Jan 1, 1961 to Dec 31, 1990. And, of course, as discussed many times in past MLW threads, that 30 year duration has been chosen by the WMO in its considerations of filtering out any interannual variation/anomalies in the context of a climatic trending time frame period. Try again Pliny... try harder! A 'decadal perspective'? But the global surface temperature hasn't gone up in the last decade, contrary to the predictions of scientific models. Are you sure a decade is enough time, waldo? Edited July 6, 2013 by Pliny Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
waldo Posted July 6, 2013 Report Posted July 6, 2013 Yep.....first, the "science" was settled. go with your perpetuating meme strengths guys! As I stated in the past... several times: the "science is settled" meme is one regularly trotted out by fake skeptics. Legitimate skeptics realize that proponents of AGW/CC do not recognize science as ever being settled. However, this 'unsettled science' does not negate confidence levels and probabilities of known/recognized understandings within science, nor does it detract from certain aspects of science that are known with near 100% certainty. Quote
waldo Posted July 6, 2013 Report Posted July 6, 2013 Not denying warming, waldo. It's proven that the temperature over the last century has risen 1.5 degrees centigrade. The contention lies in the anthropogenic factor. no problem Pliny... don't hesitate to bring forward your contention countering claim - your substantiated claim for an alternative principal causal tie to the relatively recent increased warming, one other than anthropogenic sourced fossil-fuels, land-use, cement production. What are you... what have you been... waiting for? A 'decadal perspective'? But the temperature hasn't gone up in the last decade, contrary to the predictions of scientific models. Are you sure a decade is enough time, waldo? temperature hasn't gone up in the last decade? Pliny you just commented on the very graph (focused solely on global surface temperature) that counters this, your latest statement/claim. Make up your mind Pliny! And again, you bring up your models nemesis... the one you're always challenged on, the challenge you never respond to. Apparently, you also don't read well - at all. You were just provided with a detailed accounting of the WMO decadal perspective in relation to the WMO defined 'current normal climate period'... read that accounting again Pliny - try it... you won't like it, but try reading it again, hey? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 6, 2013 Report Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore testified before the U.S. Congress that "...the science is settled". This purposeful and exceedingly political pronouncement has come back to bite the warmies and alarmists squarely in the ass. Some still persist, and like to use the "meme" word too: "In testimony to Congress about global warming, Al Gore declared that "the science is settled" and he was right." http://www.thescienceisstillsettled.com/ Edited July 6, 2013 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted July 6, 2013 Report Posted July 6, 2013 Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore testified before the U.S. Congress that "...the science is settled". then you should have no problem providing that exact quote, right? Please proceed, Governor? . Quote
Shady Posted July 6, 2013 Author Report Posted July 6, 2013 Just in case waldo skips your post BC. "The science is settled, Gore told the lawmakers" Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 6, 2013 Report Posted July 6, 2013 Just in case waldo skips your post BC. "The science is settled, Gore told the lawmakers" Yes....is that a "meme" ? Are "memes" bad ? Is Al Gore a "meme" ? He sure made a lot of money ! A meme (/ˈmiːm/; meem)[1] is "an idea, behavior, or style that spreads from person to person within a culture."[2] A meme acts as a unit for carrying cultural ideas, symbols, or practices that can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals, or other imitable phenomena. Supporters of the concept regard memes as cultural analogues to genes in that they self-replicate, mutate, and respond to selective pressures.[3] Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted July 6, 2013 Report Posted July 6, 2013 Just in case waldo skips your post BC. "The science is settled, Gore told the lawmakers" then you to... should have no problem providing that exact quote, right? What exactly did Gore say to those Congressional lawmakers? Please proceed, Governor#2!!! Quote
Shady Posted July 6, 2013 Author Report Posted July 6, 2013 then you to... should have no problem providing that exact quote, right? What exactly did Gore say to those Congressional lawmakers? Please proceed, Governor#2!!! Are you saying that NPR lied? Quote
waldo Posted July 6, 2013 Report Posted July 6, 2013 Are you saying that NPR lied? I'm saying you're perpetuating a meme but you won't produce the supposed Gore statement/quote made, as stated, to U.S. Congressional lawmakers. It's got to be a matter of public record... it's U.S. Congressional testimony! Produce the exact (claimed) Gore statement, linked to and quoted verbatim. Sure you can! C'mon have the intellectual honesty to back up your meme perpetuation! Quote
Shady Posted July 7, 2013 Author Report Posted July 7, 2013 I'm saying you're perpetuating a meme but you won't produce the supposed Gore statement/quote made, as stated, to U.S. Congressional lawmakers. It's got to be a matter of public record... it's U.S. Congressional testimony! Produce the exact (claimed) Gore statement, linked to and quoted verbatim. Sure you can! C'mon have the intellectual honesty to back up your meme perpetuation! I'll ask again. Is NPR lying? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 7, 2013 Report Posted July 7, 2013 I'm saying you're perpetuating a meme This is redundant...a "meme" is "perpetuated" by definition. The "science is settled" has come back to bite warmies in the ass, and now they don't like it. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted July 7, 2013 Report Posted July 7, 2013 I'll ask again. Is NPR lying? and I'll tell you again, you can't... you won't produce the supposed Al Gore quote... I told you his U.S. Congressional testimony is public domain; you should have no problem in presenting the supposed quote. It's a relatively short testimony - 3 pages in length presented on March 21, 2007 before the U.S. Senate Environment & Public Works Committee. Produce the quote where you claim, "Al Gore told U.S. lawmakers the science is settled". Produce the quote... ask you lil' buddy who started this to give you a hand! I'm sure BC_2004 will have no problem producing the quote! Quote
waldo Posted July 7, 2013 Report Posted July 7, 2013 Are "memes" bad? bad? Well... your specialty, the urban myth category of meme, is simply BS. To you, is BS... bad? Probably not, hey? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 7, 2013 Report Posted July 7, 2013 bad? Well... your specialty, the urban myth category of meme, is simply BS. To you, is BS... bad? Probably not, hey? So, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, if "meme BS" is bad, then why would anyone want to perpetuate climate change BS and warmie/alarmist nonsense ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted July 7, 2013 Report Posted July 7, 2013 So, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, if "meme BS" is bad speaking of, produce your claimed "Al Gore science is settled" quote/statement. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 7, 2013 Report Posted July 7, 2013 speaking of, produce your claimed "Al Gore science is settled" quote/statement. "The science is settled" - V.P. Al Gore Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted July 7, 2013 Report Posted July 7, 2013 "The science is settled" - V.P. Al Gore sorry, your trolling doesn't count - you linked that initial article --- either stand by it and produce/cite the exact statement as a part of the U.S. Congressional testimony... or admit you're a shameless huckster repeatedly throwing down any piece of crap your googlies find. Produce the quote... cite it, verbatim. Sure you can! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 7, 2013 Report Posted July 7, 2013 sorry, your trolling doesn't count - you linked that initial article --- either stand by it and produce/cite the exact statement as a part of the U.S. Congressional testimony... or admit you're a shameless huckster repeatedly throwing down any piece of crap your googlies find. Produce the quote... cite it, verbatim. Sure you can! I think it's cute how you try to protect the warmies and alarmists from "memes", and the affection for yet another American icon in Mr. Al Gore. Mentioning Google is just icing on this American cake ! "The science is settled"...."The debate is over" - V.P. Al Gore Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted July 7, 2013 Report Posted July 7, 2013 you have absolutely nothing substantive or meaningful to add to any discussion. When you can't get out from under your own generated BS, you simply resort to trolling... typically, as you've now just done, throwing down some mind-numbing bluster about 'American this/American that'. You have no game - none! You perpetually dredge up useless, dated, trivial, crap - and you actually think you're contributing!!! Quote
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