Bus beheader Vince Li should be allowed to go to the beach: doctor

[roy baty]

The sad reality is that just like the rest of us, these Li supporters wouldn't let him anywhere near their families whether he was supervised or medicated. They're just too damn self righteous to admit it.

Edited June 11, 2013 by roy baty

[BubberMiley]

I have a cottage at Grand Beach, the closest major beach to Selkirk, where Li lives. I don't see any reason to fill my drawers over a medicated, unarmed, supervised person who might walk by. But that doesn't mean I'm not self righteous.

[carepov]

The sad reality is that just like the rest of us, these Li supporters wouldn't let him anywhere near their families whether he was supervised or medicated. They're just too damn self righteous to admit it.

I probably wouldn't want you near my family either, what's your point?

[Sandy MacNab]

The sad reality is that just like the rest of us, these Li supporters wouldn't let him anywhere near their families whether he was supervised or medicated. They're just too damn self righteous to admit it.

You've nailed it! It seems to me that Li's supporters are typical politically correct busy-bodies who can sure tell the rest of us how to live, how to think, and how to do as they say, not as they do.

[Peter F]

but you'd be ok around this guy...http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Jury-acquits-escort-shooter-4581027.php

[waldo]

it's a bit hard to ignore the mess left behind by the monkey wiping his shit all over the walls. It makes this place stink.

nailed it! Of course, the guy claims he's simply misunderstood... we just don't get his "style"... we don't appreciate how he "rolls"!

[bush_cheney2004]

nailed it! Of course, the guy claims he's simply misunderstood... we just don't get his "style"... we don't appreciate how he "rolls"!

More importantly, he doesn't care whether you understand or not !

[waldo]

most importantly, I/they don't care whether you care or not!

[Pliny]

Because I am interested in this analogy and her response. I realize that it is not a perfect analogy, but I still think it is useful. I am interested in knowing how our society can accept giving drunk drivers that end up killing a slap on the wrist while insisting that we lock up Li for life and not allow escorted outings. I don't get it.

It is quite simple a drunk driver may be able to contribute to society so has some redeeming value. Li may never be fully in control of his faculties and we, meaning mankind, at this time can't tell if he is - drugs, by the way, don't mean he gains full control of his faculties, it means drugs are affecting his ability to reason and we can never then be certain of his reasoning.

If you wish to destigmatize the mentally ill the only way is that proposed by Dr. Thomas Szasz, in his book, "The Manufacture of Madness".

[waldo]

If you wish to destigmatize the mentally ill the only way is that proposed by Dr. Thomas Szasz, in his book, "The Manufacture of Madness".

why just a Pliny teaser here? Let us know your guys proposal to "destigmatize mental illness"... from your guy, the guy who wrote, "The Myth of Mental Illness"... the guy who called mental illness, at best, "a fake disease"... the guy who advocated to abolish the insanity defense.

give us more Pliny, more please!

[Guest American Woman]

I didn't say it was worse, I wondered what the victim's mon would think?

Well, you did say "To me it is disturbing that the majority of people expressing their opinion about Li want to punish him more severely than a drunk driver."

Why would that be disturbing to you if you don't think drunk driving is worse? Perhaps you think they are both same? Which doesn't explain your questioning if a parent of a drunk driver victim would think it's worse. At any rate, I've explained why it comes across to me that you think it's worse. Now perhaps you could quote what I said to make you come back with this:

You think Li is worse than a repeat-offender-drunk-driver that kills 50 school children?

Since I said absolutely nothing to warrant that conclusion; in fact, it would be quite the opposite. Edited June 11, 2013 by American Woman

[waldo]

Since I said absolutely nothing to warrant that conclusion; in fact, it would be quite the opposite.

again: you continue to draw the false and unwarranted comparison. Mental disorder, as a point of legal criteria under the Criminal Code of Canada for a defense of NCR, is defined as a 'disease of the mind'... it can include mental abnormalities which cause impairment. However, the definition of mental disorder does not include voluntary intoxication, drug induced impairment or transient mental states (e.g., hysteria, concussion, etc.).

again: "in the context of this thread and its emphasis on the mentally ill and 'not criminally responsible (NCR)', what is your purpose/intent in introducing and continuing to speak of drunk driving/alcoholism/drug addiction"?

[carepov]

Well, you did say "To me it is disturbing that the majority of people expressing their opinion about Li want to punish him more severely than a drunk driver."

Why would that be disturbing to you if you don't think drunk driving is worse? Perhaps you think they are both same? Which doesn't explain your questioning if a parent of a drunk driver victim would think it's worse. At any rate, I've explained why it comes across to me that you think it's worse. Now perhaps you could quote what I said to make you come back with this:

Since I said absolutely nothing to warrant that conclusion; in fact, it would be quite the opposite.

You asked:

I don't get what you're saying here. You think driving drunk and killing someone is worse than cutting someone's head off and eating them?

I answered:

It depends...

(I don't know why you are asking me the same question again.)

Then you replied:

Of course it doesn't "depend."...

Suggesting that Li is worse than any type of drunk driver. I see know that you agree with me (I think) that some drunk drivers deserve harsher punishments than Li. (of course I still think that Li deseves no punishment but I am still at a complete loss as to why people want to lock-up Li for the rest of his life and even deny him escorted outings while drunk drivers get away with slaps on the wrist.)