Margaret Thatcher 1925-2013

[WWWTT]

Not you. Have you not been following the news?

Ya actually I have been proving many links of the news right here.

Guess you didn't see that one.

WWWTT

[Guest]

Ya actually I have been proving many links of the news right here.

Guess you didn't see that one.

WWWTT

So you see what I mean. I'm not worried about criticism, although it is misguided in most cases.

It's bemusement at the glee. I thought it unseemly when there were celebrations in the US after the killing of OBL, even though they were far more understandable.

[Guest American Woman]

You have failed again, girlfriend. You're cut off.

Thanks, bud. I appreciate that I will no longer have mindless accusations, based on nothing, thrown at me, demanding to be responded to.

Having said that, knowing I'm free from an off-the-wall accusation in response, I will once again point out the hypocrisy of criticizing Thatcher for not supporting sanctions for the same reasons the sanctions against Iraq weren't supported by those criticizing Thatcher.

Edited April 12, 2013 by American Woman

[Guest American Woman]

So you see what I mean. I'm not worried about criticism, although it is misguided in most cases.

It's bemusement at the glee. I thought it unseemly when there were celebrations in the US after the killing of OBL, even though they were far more understandable.

Re: bin Laden's death - it was regarded as a victory in the war. It's not unusual to celebrate such war victories, even though deaths are involved.

[g_bambino]

Who's "losing it"?

You, perhaps; it certainly appears as though you're barely able to contain your glee over Thatcher's death.

[WWWTT]

You, perhaps; it certainly appears as though you're barely able to contain your glee over Thatcher's death.

Nice false misrepresentation of how I actually feel!

I am not "happy" nor am full of "glee" over her death.

Many thousands of people die every day so I am more indifferent if anything really.

Perhaps if I personally knew her than that may be a different story?

I am just posting and commenting on the things we know that she did and said.

Once again,try defending her if you feel that she was such a great leader.

But you seem to be at a loss in this department.

WWWTT

[WWWTT]

Here's another huge anti human rights blunder on Thatchers part!

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10201248991293468

WWWTT

[guyser]

Such an idiotic post.

Every leader was anti gay in 87.

There s a reason Brampton drivers are charged more. You prove it with each post.

[Guest American Woman]

Every leader was anti gay in 87.

Quite a few leaders are still very anti-gay - I wonder if we should make a list of those whose countries' actually persecute gays - in this day and age? This selective outrage is rather telling. Not to mention hypocritical.

[WWWTT]

Quite a few leaders are still very anti-gay - I wonder if we should make a list of those whose countries' actually persecute gays - in this day and age? This selective outrage is rather telling. Not to mention hypocritical.

Start posting links then,and don't forget about the new anti gay laws they created.

WWWTT

[Guest American Woman]

Start posting links then,and don't forget about the new anti gay laws they created.

If you actually need links posted, that tells it all ...

[guyser]

Quite a few leaders are still very anti-gay - I wonder if we should make a list of those whose countries' actually persecute gays - in this day and age? This selective outrage is rather telling. Not to mention hypocritical.

Quite true.

But then again, we are dealing with a dishonest poster so any little stupid claim they can skew to try and sneak by us , he will try.

Not worth debating him since he isnt truthful.

Edited April 12, 2013 by guyser

[eyeball]

Quite a few leaders are still very anti-gay -

Thatcher was just as mediocre?

Okay.

[Guest American Woman]

Thatcher was just as mediocre?

Okay.

The key word from your selective quote was "still" ... Nothing to say about that, or the rest of my post?

[Guest American Woman]

Quite true.

But then again, we are dealing with a dishonest poster so any little stupid claim they can skew to try and sneak by us , he will try.

Not worth debating him since he isnt truthful.

I just point out the hypocrisy and bias - because I believe in countering what some put out there.

I sometimes look at the world and wonder why people can't get along better - but then reality hits, and I'm surprised, considering so many of the people out there, that we aren't in a much sorrier state than we are.

It would be wonderful if all things in the world were black and white - with no shades of gray. Unfortunately, that's not the way it works. It's almost all shades of gray. I have to wonder, reading through this thread, if Canada and the U.S. et al "supported" Stalin because we were allies with Russia during WWII. Some of the claims and accusations being thrown about in this thread are so outrageous that one can only shake their head in wonder ....

[WWWTT]

Actually probably someone or a few people in every country and every country at least one point in time in their history has done something bad.

But this thread is about Thatcher.

Maybe you forgot that part?

WWWTT

[Hudson Jones]

Even Britain's Conservative prime minister, David Cameron condemns Thatcher's stance on Apartheid South Africa:

Conservative leader David Cameron has condemned Margaret Thatcher's policy on South Africa during apartheid.

In what some are already dubbing his clearest breaking of ties with the Thatcher years, he wrote in today's Observer that she had been wrong to label Nelson Mandela's African National Congress (ANC) "terrorists" after controversially refusing to support sanctions against the apartheid regime in the 1980s.

Mr Cameron also believes the Conservatives can learn from the mistakes made during Lady Thatcher's era.

"The mistakes my party made in the past with respect to relations with the ANC and sanctions on South Africa make it all the more important to listen now," he wrote

Link

Characteristically, Thatcher never admitted to her mistakes. But at least the Conservative leader of Britain made the right choice to distance himself from Thatcher when it came to Apartheid South Africa and gay rights.

[eyeball]

The key word from your selective quote was "still" ... Nothing to say about that, or the rest of my post?

Sorry, you put the quotation marks around still too late I guess. I "still" agree Thatcher was mediocre.

I wonder if we should make a list of those whose countries' actually persecute gays - in this day and age?

Sure, pointing out any other sphincters running the world is definitely a good idea.

This selective outrage is rather telling. Not to mention hypocritical.

So you do include Thatcher?

Oh oh, let me guess, this time you forgot to put quotation marks around the word...I bet it's persecute.

[g_bambino]

I am just posting and commenting on the things we know that she did and said.

Sure, but the way you do it...

[guyser]

Even Britain's Conservative prime minister, David Cameron condemns condemned Thatcher's stance on Apartheid South Africa:

FIFY.

How is 2006 ? a good year?

[Hudson Jones]

FIFY.

How is 2006 ? a good year?

What are you trying to say?

David Cameron changed his mind on Thatcher's stance on Apartheid South Africa since 2006?

[Guest American Woman]

Sorry, you put the quotation marks around still too late I guess. I "still" agree Thatcher was mediocre.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I put the quotation marks around it to point out to you that I was talking about now - not 1987. So you thought Thatcher was mediocre - so what? That has absolutely nothing to do with the point that I was making - which was about some leaders/countries now vs. 1987.

Sure, pointing out any other sphincters running the world is definitely a good idea.

So you do include Thatcher?

Do I include Thatcher in what, exactly? She hasn't been "running the world" for quite some time now. Again. The reference was to 1987. Lots of people had less tolerant views about gays back then, which was the point I was responding to. Does that make it right? Of course not, but it doesn't make her unique/the devil incarnate, either. We grow as a society, which is why gays have a lot more rights worldwide than they did in 1987.

However. Some societies have not grown. Some leaders, of some countries, are still very anti-gay - and gays are being persecuted. Which was the point being made. I'm not seeing the criticism for that from those criticizing Thatcher. Which was my point.

Oh oh, let me guess, this time you forgot to put quotation marks around the word...I bet it's persecute.

Again, I didn't forget to put quotation marks around anything. I have no idea what you're going on about. None at all.

[guyser]

What are you trying to say?

David Cameron changed his mind on Thatcher's stance on Apartheid South Africa since 2006?

A glowing tribute to Maggie was delivered in a special recall of the house. And thats from this week, not 2006 when someone was trying to gain some political foothold.

[Guest American Woman]

A glowing tribute to Maggie was delivered in a special recall of the house. And thats from this week, not 2006 when someone was trying to gain some political foothold.

He's still holding fast to his criticism of Thatcher, though. Who would ever have guessed that those here criticizing her would be looking to someone who supports sanctions as some sort of validation? I can only assume that they would support Cameron if he were to put sanctions in place - because he's critical of Thatcher for not having supported the sanctions.

Edited April 12, 2013 by American Woman

[Hudson Jones]

A glowing tribute to Maggie was delivered in a special recall of the house. And thats from this week, not 2006 when someone was trying to gain some political foothold.

I ask you again; Did Cameron change his stance on Thatcher's mistakes, as he put it, in regards to her refusal to support pressure on the Apartheid government and for her calling Mandela a terrorist?

We have her own party throwing her under the bus for her stance on the Apartheid government, yet, there are still those who are still trying to excuse her.

Edited April 12, 2013 by Hudson Jones