Chris+ Posted February 28, 2013 Report Posted February 28, 2013 40 lashes under 'Islamic law': men guilty of assault Date February 28, 2013 - 12:39PM Four men have been found guilty of giving a Sydney electrician 40 lashes with a cable, which they said was a punishment under Islamic law for drinking alcohol and using drugs. Zakaryah Raad, Tolga Cifci, Wassim Fayad, and Cengiz Coskun were today convicted of several charges relating to whipping Cristian Martinez, a convert to Islam, in July 2011. Magistrate Brian Maloney told Burwood Local Court on Thursday it was an extremely unusual case. Mr Fayad counted out the lashes and when he came up to number 10 ... he gave Mr Martinez a break. Mr Martinez went into the bathroom and vomited. "Until now, assaults occasioned in the course of a religious practice involving the mortification of the flesh have not been before any court in any common law country." Advertisement Mr Maloney said that, from the outset, prosecutors were clear the case was not about sharia, or about the Islamic faith. The court heard Mr Martinez drank alcohol and took drugs on July 15 and 16, 2011, before he called Fayad, who had been his spiritual leader, and said he wanted help to get off drugs and make a fresh start. Fayad said: "Yeah, it means I'm going to tie you up, brother, that's what I'm going to do. "I'm going to tie you up, OK, and that's what you need brother, because now you need this level because you're not going anywhere." Fayad called Raad and told him to go to Mr Martinez's western Sydney townhouse to check on him, where Raad sent Fayad a message saying something like: "Allam, the sharia bring right material. It's important." Fayad, Cifci and Coskun then went to Mr Martinez's unit late on July 16 and Fayad whipped him while the others held him down on a bed. "Mr Fayad counted out the lashes and when he came up to number 10 ... he gave Mr Martinez a break," Mr Maloney said. "Mr Martinez went into the bathroom and vomited. "Mr Martinez was then forced back onto the bed and given 10 further lashes by Mr Fayad. He was given another break and went to the bathroom again." After the whipping, Mr Martinez sought advice from from Sheik Omar el Banna, the imam of the Omar Mosque in Auburn. In a statement to the court, the sheik said the men's actions were not sanctioned by the Islamic community in any way. "I said [to Mr Martinez] ... 'This is ridiculous. You can't apply this ruling, this is wrong. This isn't what should be happening'," he said. Mr Martinez said he consented to the 1st, 11th and 21st lash, but Magistrate Maloney found that his consent had been withdrawn. Raad was convicted of assault occasioning actual bodily harm in company, stealing and two counts of intimidation, while the others were convicted of the assault and stealing charges, related to a CCTV hard drive they took from Mr Martinez's home. The men will be sentenced at a later date. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/40-lashes-under-islamic-law-men-guilty-of-assault-20130228-2f7nw.html#ixzz2MAe8hvqH Quote
CocaCola Posted February 28, 2013 Report Posted February 28, 2013 Lol how do you consent to only the 1st, 11th, and 21st lash? Alright guys, go ahead. Wait no stop! Ouch ouch ouch! Ok do it again. No stop! Ridiculous Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 28, 2013 Report Posted February 28, 2013 Chris+ you have reposted an article in its entirety, which is against the rules. Please read the Rules before posting again. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Chris+ Posted February 28, 2013 Author Report Posted February 28, 2013 Ok my apologies.I agree with Mr Christian Martinez's Sheikh, he got less then he deserved! Quote
GostHacked Posted February 28, 2013 Report Posted February 28, 2013 Ok my apologies. I agree with Mr Christian Martinez's Sheikh, he got less then he deserved! OH we got a live one here. Quote
guyser Posted February 28, 2013 Report Posted February 28, 2013 OH we got a live one here. If by 'live' you mean ...um...oh...lacking in any grey matter well then yes. Quote
GostHacked Posted February 28, 2013 Report Posted February 28, 2013 If by 'live' you mean ...um...oh...lacking in any grey matter well then yes. But of course. Quote
Chris+ Posted February 28, 2013 Author Report Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) The real crime here from my perspective wasn't drinking or doing drugs, but joining the wrong club (Wahabism). He knew what he was getting involved in, if you want to play the game then play by the rules. I am guessing now that Mr. Martinez (the victim) claims he is still a believer because he knows what the sharia punishment will be should he revert (apostasy), death. Edited February 28, 2013 by Chris+ Quote
Peanutbutter Posted February 28, 2013 Report Posted February 28, 2013 It makes me wonder if this type of behavior is occurring in Canada. In my mind it must be. Canada has around a million Muslims some of them must be getting whipped. Quote Ah la peanut butter sandwiches! - The Amazing Mumferd
guyser Posted February 28, 2013 Report Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) It makes me wonder if this type of behavior is occurring in Canada. In my mind it must be. Canada has around a million Muslims some of them must be getting whipped. Oh dont stop there Mr C , keep on it , and while at it, passed any Mosques today or by chance been down to a gay parade at all to film the flying specimens? Edited February 28, 2013 by guyser Quote
Peanutbutter Posted February 28, 2013 Report Posted February 28, 2013 Oh dont stop there Mr C , keep on it , and while at it, passed any Mosques today or by chance been down to a gay parade at all to film the flying specimens? I'm not Mr.C whoever that is. Yes, I passed a mosque today as a matter of fact on my way home. I've been to the Pride parade but have never filmed anything or even taken any photographs. Quote Ah la peanut butter sandwiches! - The Amazing Mumferd
Chris+ Posted March 1, 2013 Author Report Posted March 1, 2013 It makes me wonder if this type of behavior is occurring in Canada. In my mind it must be. Canada has around a million Muslims some of them must be getting whipped. Wahabi Islam it nuts. It is more of a cult then anything. Most Muslims in Canada come here to flee such behavior. Salafism/Wahabism cannot ever live in peace with the west, Canada or itself. Quote
-TSS- Posted March 2, 2013 Report Posted March 2, 2013 Some countries, such as the UK, have allowed the sharia-law to co-exist with the national law in civil matters such as divorce or inheritance. There couldn't be a bigger mistake than allowing that to happen. Any country which claims to be secular must adhere to the principle that no religious laws are given any preference in any case. Besides, when the sharia-law is applied to the muslim-community where there are a lot of muslims, it has been emphasized that applying the sharia-law is completely voluntary. Do they really think it is voluntary for a muslim living in a muslim-neighborhood? Quote
Chris+ Posted March 8, 2013 Author Report Posted March 8, 2013 Some countries, such as the UK, have allowed the sharia-law to co-exist with the national law in civil matters such as divorce or inheritance. There couldn't be a bigger mistake than allowing that to happen. Any country which claims to be secular must adhere to the principle that no religious laws are given any preference in any case. Besides, when the sharia-law is applied to the muslim-community where there are a lot of muslims, it has been emphasized that applying the sharia-law is completely voluntary. Do they really think it is voluntary for a muslim living in a muslim-neighborhood? Of course it isn't, subjects under a shariah state are subject to the sharia, whether Muslims or kaffir (non-believers) We in Canada must learn from the mistakes from Europe. The sharia must remain part of the criminal code of Canada, not the legal code, forever and ever. Amen. Quote
Canuckistani Posted March 8, 2013 Report Posted March 8, 2013 We already have the same thing for Orthodox Jews. Seems discriminatory to not allow it for Muslims. Either for all, or for none. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 8, 2013 Report Posted March 8, 2013 We already have the same thing for Orthodox Jews. Seems discriminatory to not allow it for Muslims. Either for all, or for none. Perhaps...but, what part of Jewish law calls for thieves to have their hand lopped off? Is there a similar set of punishments? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Chris+ Posted March 8, 2013 Author Report Posted March 8, 2013 Perhaps...but, what part of Jewish law calls for thieves to have their hand lopped off? Is there a similar set of punishments? There is no such punishment. I was a gentile goy living on Van Horne Street some years ago in Montreal, just down from the heart of the Chassidic (black hat) premier community in Canada and nobody bothered me-- the worst thing that happened to me was one, large, blackhatter tried to run me down in his minivan on Hutchison/Bernard street for violating the shabbat. He missed and I survived. Other then that, I did not feel like I was in hostile territory. We may have to make it clear the Islamic sharia is not like other religions. Jews are also not seeking to force their ways upon us, while Islam is expansionist. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 8, 2013 Report Posted March 8, 2013 Oh, don't you worry...Islam and me...we not be friends. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Canuckistani Posted March 8, 2013 Report Posted March 8, 2013 Perhaps...but, what part of Jewish law calls for thieves to have their hand lopped off? Is there a similar set of punishments? Nice red herring, enjoy your lunch. Or read the above posts. Quote
Canuckistani Posted March 8, 2013 Report Posted March 8, 2013 There is no such punishment. I was a gentile goy living on Van Horne Street some years ago in Montreal, just down from the heart of the Chassidic (black hat) premier community in Canada and nobody bothered me-- the worst thing that happened to me was one, large, blackhatter tried to run me down in his minivan on Hutchison/Bernard street for violating the shabbat. He missed and I survived. Other then that, I did not feel like I was in hostile territory. We may have to make it clear the Islamic sharia is not like other religions. Jews are also not seeking to force their ways upon us, while Islam is expansionist. So you're seriously proposing we allow one group their archaic laws on diviorce and inheritance, but not another. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 8, 2013 Report Posted March 8, 2013 Nice red herring, enjoy your lunch. Or read the above posts. That's right. Not an issue. However, there are plenty of grim vids online of unfettered Sharia in action. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Canuckistani Posted March 8, 2013 Report Posted March 8, 2013 Sure. And the 6 ex Mossad leaders see Jewish religious extremism as the greatest threat to Israel. The proposal is to allow civil disputes to be settled by Sharia law in the west. I'm against it, I think one law for all. But we can't offer this privilege to the Hassidim, but tell Muslims they can't have it. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 8, 2013 Report Posted March 8, 2013 Sure. And the 6 ex Mossad leaders see Jewish religious extremism as the greatest threat to Israel. The proposal is to allow civil disputes to be settled by Sharia law in the west. I'm against it, I think one law for all. But we can't offer this privilege to the Hassidim, but tell Muslims they can't have it. Don't really care. If the Muslims don't like it I'm sure there are other countries that will allow stonings and beheadings with out any of my beetchin'. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Chris+ Posted March 8, 2013 Author Report Posted March 8, 2013 Sure. And the 6 ex Mossad leaders see Jewish religious extremism as the greatest threat to Israel. The proposal is to allow civil disputes to be settled by Sharia law in the west. I'm against it, I think one law for all. But we can't offer this privilege to the Hassidim, but tell Muslims they can't have it. The Hassedim are too few to concern ourselves with. I have no problem stripping them of their 'rights' but I also have no problem with them, period. I cannot say the same about draconian sharia law. Please remember, Jews do not seek to apply their laws upon us. All the <Hassedim> seek to do, is live their quiet noble lives in their respective colonies, being loyal to their Hasham. Islam seeks to have all cafeteria food banned during Ramadan, because two Muslims (out of 900 students) are fasting. Big difference... ban them all for I care, if not, there is no shame in making sharia law the exception it is. Quote
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