Michelle, Steyn, Hollywood - Academy Awards 2013

[Pliny]

The point isn't whether it worked or not.

As you'll recall, the premise we have been discussing is the hilarious notion that people who are plugged into the right wing media bubble are better-informed than everybody else.

I would say they are generally. The crowd that gets their news form Jon Stewart and Entertainment tonight don't really seem up on things political.

But the extent to which those media outlets were flat out wrong during the election, and especially the extent to which they intentionally misled their viewers, is ample evidence that living in the right wing media bubble doesn't make you better-informed.

Their predictions were wrong? I think most folks know that a prediction is a prediction not a fact. So Morris was

overzealous in his prediction. He was right quite a few times which is why he was paid the big bucks for his propaganda - and I don't think there is any doubt that more than a few Fox viewers know he is a propagandist. After all he got

Clinton re-elected.

You seem to think that his word should be taken at face value. Do you do that with Democrat propagandists?

As for the Tea Partiers being about limited government... well, maybe once upon a time it was the place for good libertarian kids like yourself. But now it's the place for Todd Akin and Paul Broun.

-k

Socialists drove Libertarians and the classical liberal out of the left during the nineteen-thirties. They have probably been sitting right where they were all the time while the scenery changed around them. Liberalism embraced creeping

socialism, even Conservatism had to become progressive to get elected.

As for Akin and Broun, they actually told you what they thought, it's a pity that it's outright stupidity politically-speaking. Even

Wasserman-Schultz, Pelosi and Reid know better than that.

Edited April 1, 2013 by Pliny

[Pliny]

And what did he do in the first debate? He disavowed his conservative principles and positioned himself as a reasonable centrist. Exactly what Argus said he did.

He lost some support from the Republican's then but independents and disaffected liberals started looking at him,

especially since Obama fumbled it so badly.

[Shady]

And what did he do in the first debate? He disavowed his conservative principles and positioned himself as a reasonable centrist. Exactly what Argus said he did.

No he didn't. Watch the debate again. He did no such thing.

[Shady]

Yeah we should be treating him like George Bush.

The media should be. I'm still trying to figure out why they're giving him a pass, and treating him differently than presidents before him. I swear he'll be able to go two full terms and not be held responsible for the situations taken place during his presidency. It's why I call him the affirmative action president.

[GostHacked]

The media should be. I'm still trying to figure out why they're giving him a pass, and treating him differently than presidents before him. I swear he'll be able to go two full terms and not be held responsible for the situations taken place during his presidency. It's why I call him the affirmative action president.

The media went along with much of what Bush put forth as well. Complicit in the rhetoric towards the Iraq invasion. The media will always go along with much of what the President says/does. If they do go against the President in any fashion, it's mainly softball issues that really don't mean a lot.

All you need to see is what goes on in those White House press briefings. The only one that really presses on any issue was Helen Thomas. And even then, not as hard as the questions should be. It's like it is treated as an insult when they are pressed on hard issues. It's quite disgusting to watch.

Let me clarify, main stream media. Like most alphabet networks. CNN, FOX, MSNBC, ABC, CBS....... How quickly was the Benghazi thing put to bed? How quickly were things like Abu-Garib put to bed?

It's called propaganda for a reason, but here it's been thrown into a nice fluffy term called 'Public Relations'. Image over substance. That is the office of the President of the United States.

[Pliny]

No he didn't. Watch the debate again. He did no such thing.

I don't think he galvanized Republicans with his position on some of the issues. Where did the surge come from - mostly

independents I would surmise.

[Bitsy]

A refresher course on Dick Morris and his predictions.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-nickolas/worst-pundit-in-america-d_b_160212.html

[Pliny]

A refresher course on Dick Morris and his predictions.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-nickolas/worst-pundit-in-america-d_b_160212.html

Where is the list of wrong calls other pundits have made so I can vote for worst pundit in america or at least make up my own mind. Not saying Dick Morris isn't the worst, he may well be.

[Bitsy]

Where is the list of wrong calls other pundits have made so I can vote for worst pundit in america or at least make up my own mind. Not saying Dick Morris isn't the worst, he may well be.

Type your favorite pundits name in the search box to see score.

http://www.pundittracker.com/categories/view/politics

[Pliny]

Type your favorite pundits name in the search box to see score.

http://www.pundittracker.com/categories/view/politics

Great! So what is up with, kimmy and her claim that Fox viewers are uninformed? I note that Krauthammer and Kristol rate an A and B respectively and even O'Reilly gets a C-

The likes of Cokie Roberts, Juan Williams, Chris Matthews, all rate Fs. As a matter of fact most of the pundits rate Fs.

Dick Morris is perhaps more of a propagandist and tries to manipulate outcomes rather than just predict them but I guess she doesn't watch enough Fox to make that determination.

[BubberMiley]

No he didn't. Watch the debate again. He did no such thing.

Do you just make these posts in the hope that you won’t get challenged with the truth and have to scurry away again?

Romney played the MediScare card, saying Obama would gut entitlements.

Romney said he would advocate the implementation of his own individual mandate plan when he said "And the best course for health care is to do what we did in my state.”

And, most significantly, Romney said "I will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans" after previously campaigning that everyone would get a 20% cut.

Watch the debate again and see If you can muster the courage to concede that, once again, I am right and you are wrong.

[Shady]

Do you just make these posts in the hope that you won’t get challenged with the truth and have to scurry away again?

Romney played the MediScare card, saying Obama would gut entitlements.

Romney said he would advocate the implementation of his own individual mandate plan when he said "And the best course for health care is to do what we did in my state.”

And, most significantly, Romney said "I will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans" after previously campaigning that everyone would get a 20% cut.

Watch the debate again and see If you can muster the courage to concede that, once again, I am right and you are wrong.

You're wrong. He said he wouldn't reduce thaw share of taxes paid by higher incomes.

Anyways, who cares? It's all irrelevant and has nothing to do with the miserable failure sitting in the White House. Start holding the utter disaster accountable the way other presidents have been 5 years into their presidency.

[GostHacked]

Anyways, who cares? It's all irrelevant and has nothing to do with the miserable failure sitting in the White House. Start holding the utter disaster accountable the way other presidents have been 5 years into their presidency.

But he seems to be the choice over the miserable failure that was Romney's campaign.

Let's go back to see how critical you were of Bush. I also called Obama for what he truly is years ago. He is a globalist and is selling out America to the likes of the UN.

[BubberMiley]

You're wrong. He said he wouldn't reduce thaw share of taxes paid by higher incomes.

Nope. Wrong again. When I use quotation marks, it means I am quoting directly from the transcript of the debate. He said nothing about "thaw share of taxes paid by higher incomes."

[Shady]

Nope. Wrong again. When I use quotation marks, it means I am quoting directly from the transcript of the debate. He said nothing about "thaw share of taxes paid by higher incomes."

Better check again. But like I said, who cares? It has nothing to do with the current affirmative action president.

[BubberMiley]

Better check again.

You'd think you would have learned by now that I'm always right. Check the first 10 seconds of this video.

[Bitsy]

Great! So what is up with, kimmy and her claim that Fox viewers are uninformed? I note that Krauthammer and Kristol rate an A and B respectively and even O'Reilly gets a C-

What does Krauthammer and Kristol have to do with Fox News?

[Shady]

You'd think you would have learned by now that I'm always right. Check the first 10 seconds of this video.

You really need to get over the last election. Romney isn't the issue anymore. Move on.

[BubberMiley]

You really need to get over the last election. Romney isn't the issue anymore. Move on.

Translation: Bubber is always right and Shady is once again completely wrong.

[GostHacked]

What does Krauthammer and Kristol have to do with Fox News?

Kristol was heavy on the scene to ramp up the rhetoric towards another war with Iraq. He spent a lot of time on Fox compared to other news channels, only because Fox's ideology on the whole lined up with the Bush admin in which Kristol was a key player during this time.

Both Kristol and Krauthammer were part of 'The Weekly Standard' publication and nightly commentators on Fox.

But in the end it was similar ideologies that Fox overall shared with the two you mentioned.

[Bitsy]

Kristol was heavy on the scene to ramp up the rhetoric towards another war with Iraq. He spent a lot of time on Fox compared to other news channels, only because Fox's ideology on the whole lined up with the Bush admin in which Kristol was a key player during this time.

Both Kristol and Krauthammer were part of 'The Weekly Standard' publication and nightly commentators on Fox.

But in the end it was similar ideologies that Fox overall shared with the two you mentioned.

They are not employees of Fox News and both appear on other networks. Dick Morris was a Fox News employee.

Both Kristol and Krauthammer flamed out on their Iraq predictions.

[roy baty]

Fox is a media arm of the Republican party;

-k

Ok Kimmy. We could just as easily say the remaining major news outlets are media arms of the Obama administration with much more proof to back it up. Why is it that this ONE network ticks off you lefties so much? Sure the network leans right in a lot of it's opionion based content but when it comes to straight reporting, they will report very relevant stories that 90% of the remaining outlets will not because it may "tarnish" the image of their beloved Obama and expose him for the incompetent leader that he truly is. Could that be why the left hates it so much? The old saying that "the truth hurts" really comes through with the Fox News haters I have met.

The US needs the likes of Fox News, if anything to offer at least one alternative to ALL the rest of the major news networks who clearly worship at the alter of Obama.

Edited April 2, 2013 by roy baty

[BubberMiley]

The old saying that "the truth hurts" really comes through with the Fox News haters I have met.

Wow. Even after witnessing the results of the last election, you still think they're telling you "the truth."

[Shady]

Translation: Bubber is always right and Shady is once again completely wrong.

Translation: Obama isn't responsible for anything bad that happens, only the good. I won't treat him like every other president in his second term because he's inexperienced, and he's black, and he's my ideological equal. So I'll give him a complete pass for his utter failure of a record.

[roy baty]

Wow. Even after witnessing the results of the last election, you still think they're telling you "the truth."

Thanks for that my left wing friend. Yes, FoxNews are a nothing but a den of liars! Tune in to the only source of the truth: Chris Matthews and MSNBC! You have to move past the election dude and focus on the here and now. Obama is a protected man in most news precincts and that is disgraceful to the news industry, not to mention they are doing a huge disservice to the citizens of the US. The ignoring of Bengazi, and shrugging off of the massive spending this guy has been doing by the news outlets you consider as truthful removes any shred of credability of the left and the news outlets they control. So if we are comparing apples to apples here, Fox has been far more truthful. The average US voter obviously doesn't care about incompetence and potential bankruptcy and you can hold the mainstream media partially to blame for that because obviously they themselves find it acceptable from this President.