List of children who have been killed by U.S. drones

[bush_cheney2004]

Perhaps if you think that no one other than an US citizen can be a republican,then you would be right.

That's even better...then we have non citizens happy to drone kill the bad guys too. Salute !!

[bush_cheney2004]

Drone porn....the Americans gave you the Internet...YouTube....how 'bout some "killer" content ?

Edited January 25, 2013 by bush_cheney2004

[Guest American Woman]

Perhaps if you think that no one other than an US citizen can be a republican,then you would be right.

So you're referring to Republicans who can't actually vote Republican? - or anything else, for that matter ....

Edited January 25, 2013 by American Woman

[Argus]

Watching the mainstream media, I do wonder how many Americans actually know about what happens. I also wonder what they would think if they knew the effects. Here is a sobering reminder of some of the effects of drone attacks.:

How come people like you don't feel the need to post 'sobering reminders' about the affects of IEDs blowing up in the middle of markets? How come all the civilians deliberately targeted and murdered by the Taliban doesn't draw any crocodile tears to your eyes?

[Guest]

According the International Committee of the Red Cross the civilian-to-soldier death ratio in wars fought since the mid-20th century has been 10:1, meaning ten civilian deaths for every soldier death. http://en.wikipedia...._casualty_ratio

So the claim is that drones kill 1:4 compared to the average of 10 :1.

I asked because I don't really understand what difference it makes where the pilot sits. I thought the number would be a lot closer. As it happens, we are saving civilian lives by using drones. Yeah!

[Guest Manny]

How come people like you don't feel the need to post 'sobering reminders' about the affects of IEDs blowing up in the middle of markets? How come all the civilians deliberately targeted and murdered by the Taliban doesn't draw any crocodile tears to your eyes?

Good guys aren't supposed to indiscriminately kill people.

[DogOnPorch]

Good guys aren't supposed to indiscriminately kill people.

A relative position.

[Guest Manny]

A relative position.

I know what you mean. It's the disillusionment that hurts.

[bush_cheney2004]

I know what you mean. It's the disillusionment that hurts.

It's a lot easier than learning how to speak German.....or Russian.

[WWWTT]

So you're referring to Republicans who can't actually vote Republican? - or anything else, for that matter ....

In Canada,republicans are called conservatives.

Same crap,different pile,in other words.

WWWTT

[DogOnPorch]

I know what you mean. It's the disillusionment that hurts.

I imagine the Taliban view themselves as the 'good guys'. Don't you?

[Guest American Woman]

American Woman, on 25 January 2013 - 06:19 PM, said:

So you're referring to Republicans who can't actually vote Republican? - or anything else, for that matter ....

In Canada,republicans are called conservatives.

Same crap,different pile,in other words.

In Canada, Conservatives are called Conservatives. They aren't "Republicans." A Republican is someone who is a member of the Republican party.

[Guest Manny]

I imagine the Taliban view themselves as the 'good guys'. Don't you?

Oh yeah. As did the Sept 11 terrorists. Violence begets violence, war begets war in an endless cycle. I think I read somewhere that bin Laden created al qaeda because of Lebanon.

But it is, most likely, the killing of innocents that inspires us to revenge. If we only fought with soldiers on a hill somewhere, there'd be a lot less resentment.

I think blitzkrieg is a more humane approach, dont you?

[WWWTT]

In Canada, Conservatives are called Conservatives. They aren't "Republicans." A Republican is someone who is a member of the Republican party.

Ya I don`t think so.

WWWTT

[Guest American Woman]

Ya I don`t think so.

And that makes you wrong.

Just as you were wrong when you said: "Since the Conn. mass shooting,well over 900 people in the US have been murdered by a gun!What a fiasco!"

Edited January 26, 2013 by American Woman

[Guest American Woman]

Oh yeah. As did the Sept 11 terrorists. Violence begets violence, war begets war in an endless cycle. I think I read somewhere that bin Laden created al qaeda because of Lebanon.

He created it as the Soviet Union was being defeated in Afghanistan. For bin Laden, from all I've read, it was about Islam. He was even against moderate Islamic nations. His beef with the U.S. wasn't the killing of innocents - al Qaeda has killed more innocent Muslims than have been killed by NATO/the US. The Taliban has also killed more.

Sometimes war ends violence; certainly that's been proven. It's not an endless cycle. New wars crop up, but that's a different matter.

Edited January 26, 2013 by American Woman

[Guest Manny]

"God knows it did not cross our minds to attack the towers but after the situation became unbearable and we witnessed the injustice and tyranny of the American-Israeli alliance against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, I thought about it. And the events that affected me directly were that of 1982 and the events that followed -- when America allowed the Israelis to invade Lebanon, helped by the U.S. Sixth Fleet. As I watched the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me punish the unjust the same way (and) to destroy towers in America so it could taste some of what we are tasting and to stop killing our children and women."

- Osama bin Laden admits responsibility for 9/11 in a video tape.

Edited January 26, 2013 by Manny

[Guest American Woman]

His actions belie his words, wouldn't you say? That's what I'm going by. Actions. Words are cheap, and if one is intelligent enough, they know what to say to elicit the reaction that is most beneficial. Reality is, al Qaeda has killed more Muslims that NATO/the U.S. has.

On a different note, do you think he actually believed flying those planes into the Towers would "destroy" them?

[Guest Manny]

His actions belie his words, wouldn't you say? That's what I'm going by. Actions. Words are cheap, and if one is intelligent enough, they know what to say to elicit the reaction that is most beneficial. Reality is, al Qaeda has killed more Muslims that NATO/the U.S. has.

On a different note, do you think he actually believed flying those planes into the Towers would "destroy" them?

It's irrelevant. I don't believe what the military says either. They wont admit to what they've done, same as anybody else in war. I wouldnt be surprised if the numbers of dead civilians was wrong by a factor of ten.

It seems important to you that the numbers show they've killed more children than the military has. It doesn't make me feel any better to beieve that.

Do I listen to or believe anyones propaganda? No.

[Guest American Woman]

It's irrelevant. I don't believe what the military says either. They wont admit to what they've done, same as anybody else in war. I wouldnt be surprised if the numbers of dead civilians was wrong by a factor of ten.

Of course it's not irrelevant, but it's not exactly in "war" that they kill Muslims. Furthermore, the U.S. has done a lot more to improve the lives of Muslim civilians than al Qaeda has. What has al Qaeda done to improve their lot in life? What has bin Laden done? You think that's the goal of extremist Islam - to improve the lot of Muslim women and children?

It seems important to you that the numbers show they've killed more children than the military has.

It seems to me that's a pretty ignorant statement. What's important to me is saying it the way it is. Al Qaeda cares only about its agenda, not innocent Muslims.

It doesn't make me feel any better to beieve that.

The facts don't always make one "feel better," but it's still important to realize that what the bin Laden's of the world say means very little; it's what they do that we should be paying attention to.

Do I listen to or believe anyones propaganda? No.

No one thinks they do; no one makes a conscious decision to "believe propaganda." They believe what they see as true, and in light of al Qaeda's/bin Laden's actions, I believe that they care only about their agenda - their brand of Islam. If you want to ascribe some humanitarian aspect to their actions, that's your decision - your right - but I see it as buying into their propaganda.

[Guest Manny]

It seems to me that's a pretty ignorant statement. What's important to me is saying it the way it is. Al Qaeda cares only about its agenda, not innocent Muslims.

The facts don't always make one "feel better," but it's still important to realize that what the bin Laden's of the world say means very little; it's what they do that we should be paying attention to.

I gave you some facts, to the best of my ability on the internet. You chose to ignore it and carry on with what you believe. And throw out your usual petty insults, my views are "ignorant". Your unpleasant to discuss with, because there is no point in sharing ideas.

You turn it around as though I'm somehow defending bin Laden. I won't play with you.

[Guest American Woman]

I gave you some facts, to the best of my ability on the internet. You chose to ignore it and carry on with what you believe.

I most certainly did not ignore it. I countered with facts too, which you apparently choose to ignore and carry on with what you believe.

And throw out your usual petty insults, my views are "ignorant".

I didn't say your views are ignorant - I said that particular statement about me was ignorant, and it is. Furthermore, I saw it as insulting, so you might not want to throw stones, living in that glass house and all.

Your unpleasant to discuss with, because there is no point in sharing ideas.

I'm sorry if "sharing" your ideas doesn't result in my falling in line with your views, but I've simply "shared" my ideas same as you have.

You turn it around as though I'm somehow defending bin Laden. I won't play with you.

I've never said any such thing, but I couldn't care less if you "play" with me or not. If you can't stand the heat, perhaps it is best that you get out of the kitchen.

Edited January 26, 2013 by American Woman

[Argus]

Good guys aren't supposed to indiscriminately kill people.

They clearly aren't. But the bad guys are deliberately targeting civilians and you all don't seem overly concerned with that.

[Argus]

In Canada, Conservatives are called Conservatives. They aren't "Republicans." A Republican is someone who is a member of the Republican party.

To the Left in Canada, it's all Black and White. You're either with them, or you're evil incarnate, the same as Hitler.

[Guest Manny]

They clearly aren't. But the bad guys are deliberately targeting civilians and you all don't seem overly concerned with that.

Yeah I don't dispute it. I said that to show why people get upset when they find out their military is killing civilians. It challenges their view of good vs. bad.

On another level it's hard to disentangle what we've done. We, meaning everyone. We have to make concessions to our ideals , choose the lesser of evils. But only evils.