Argus Posted December 16, 2012 Report Posted December 16, 2012 The real problem is that your unwavering view that no one should own guns forces him into that position. I think the only guns city people should be allowed to own should be for hunting: ie, long rifles and shotguns. None should have clips. Clips should be illegal. Five shot maximum bolt or pump action, single shot weapons kept in a storage facility on the edge of the city, picked up on your way out to go hunting and dropped off on your way back. A year long prison sentence without parole for anyone caught with one inside city limits, five years for possession or sale of hand guns, ten years for possession or sale of automatic weapons/assault rifles. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 16, 2012 Report Posted December 16, 2012 I think the question a Gun ownership advocate has to ask themselves is why anyone, let alone a mother in New England, needs to legally own an assault rifle? Because they're paranoid and frightened. Apparently the mother in question was afraid the fiscal cliff would result in the US collapsing and she needed an assault rifle in that case to protect herself... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 16, 2012 Report Posted December 16, 2012 Guns do not work for self defense, on average. Mostly the guns kill people that they shouldn't, rather than an intruder. I'm not going to go and get the stats and links again.... The case is very clear. A gun under your pillow is more likely to kill your family/friends than the boogy-man. As in this case. The woman bought the gun to protect herself and it wound up being used to kill her. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 16, 2012 Report Posted December 16, 2012 A gun saved my dads life...from another gun, mind you, but still, without it, he would have been dead. And without either gun? Statistically it's clear that firearms are responsible for far and away more deaths than savings of lives. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Derek L Posted December 16, 2012 Report Posted December 16, 2012 Safe storage? You're the same poster that thinks people should be allowed to carry and shouldn't have to lock up their guns at home, so they can be used for self-defence, right? Certainly, a monitored safe or room converted into a vault, coupled with trigger locks, would reduce the numbers of accidental deaths/injures and instances of theft dramatically……….Coupled with licensing, with requirements of both mental health assessments and liability insurance, you could reduce legal firearms related deaths significantly. I personally have several safes that weigh more then a small car, are fireproof and would require a thief to use a plasma torch to open……….Of course, my collection of firearms and optics is worth somewhere between 50-100k………..At the end of the day, you can by Master trigger locks for under $10 and a half decent safe for $300-400 at Crappy Tire. I’ve never said guns shouldn’t be stored safely, especially in a home with children, but concealed carry isn’t related to firearms storage. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) ... A year long prison sentence without parole for anyone caught with one inside city limits, five years for possession or sale of hand guns, ten years for possession or sale of automatic weapons/assault rifles. This is laughable coming from a nation that let's MURDERERS walk for little more time....because they have become "rehabilitated" MURDERERS. Edited December 16, 2012 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted December 16, 2012 Report Posted December 16, 2012 This is laughable coming from a nation that let's MURDERERS walk for little more time....because they have become "rehabilitated" MURDERERS. Well there's always a faint hope for rehabilitation. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Posted December 16, 2012 Well there's always a faint hope for rehabilitation. But there is no faint hope for raising their victims from the dead. So now we have an argument that would imprison gun owners while still freeing murderers who actually killed people. Amazing..... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted December 16, 2012 Report Posted December 16, 2012 And without either gun? Statistically it's clear that firearms are responsible for far and away more deaths than savings of lives. Well, those statistics would also have to include guns used by police to be meaningful, which would change the stats. As I said, the first gun was not obtained legally. It would have been there anyway. Quote
Wilber Posted December 16, 2012 Report Posted December 16, 2012 Why can't Canada control guns at the border? Maybe it is too busy grab-assing with union border guards over serious issues like wearing name tags instead ! Probably for the same reasons the US can't control drugs at its border. Do your border guards grab asses to? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Argus Posted December 16, 2012 Report Posted December 16, 2012 You drew the comparison. My comparison was appropriate. Yours was not. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Black Dog Posted December 16, 2012 Report Posted December 16, 2012 You might have a point if the Government armed the military and police services with smoothbore muskets………As such the intent has kept pace with the technology……………..Perhaps in 100 years it will be Phasers like on Star Trek. Of which well-regulated militia was Adam Lanza a member? Quote
Guest Derek L Posted December 16, 2012 Report Posted December 16, 2012 Of which well-regulated militia was Adam Lanza a member? None that I know of.........The Supreme Court has ruled long ago that the Second Amendment garners the individual the right to posses firearms, unrelated to their service in a Militia…………..With that said, would you feel better if gun owners banded together in paramilitary type organizations? A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YY5Rj4cQ50 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Posted December 16, 2012 Probably for the same reasons the US can't control drugs at its border. Do your border guards grab asses to? Not over wearing name tags.....they are actually interdicting drugs instead. Guess it's just a matter of different priorities. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Derek L Posted December 16, 2012 Report Posted December 16, 2012 My comparison was appropriate. Yours was not. No, mine was exactly inline with yours, in that if a plane crashes due to “human error or negligence”, after the fact, no one is calling for a banning of planes. Quote
Wilber Posted December 17, 2012 Report Posted December 17, 2012 Not over wearing name tags.....they are actually interdicting drugs instead. Guess it's just a matter of different priorities. And by their own admission, the best they have ever done is stop 20% of the stuff coming across the Mexican border. Interdicting eh. How would you suggest we do that with arms coming across our US border? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Posted December 17, 2012 And by their own admission, the best they have ever done is stop 20% of the stuff coming across the Mexican border. Interdicting eh. How would you suggest we do that with arms coming across our US border? I never claimed otherwise....they do their job while wearing name tags...amazing, huh? How to stop 20% of guns coming across your border....that's easy. Make them readily available in Canada, of course! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Derek L Posted December 17, 2012 Report Posted December 17, 2012 I never claimed otherwise....they do their job while wearing name tags...amazing, huh? How to stop 20% of guns coming across your border....that's easy. Make them readily available in Canada, of course! Like Prohibition, but only reversed right? Quote
Wilber Posted December 17, 2012 Report Posted December 17, 2012 I never claimed otherwise....they do their job while wearing name tags...amazing, huh? How to stop 20% of guns coming across your border....that's easy. Make them readily available in Canada, of course! Why don't you do the same for cocaine and heroin? Why are you waisting your time, money and energy trying to stop drugs. Why should we make them readily available? Just because you are in love with them? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
WWWTT Posted December 17, 2012 Report Posted December 17, 2012 What are the words lefties use to describe him? Authoritarian? Not characteristics of weakness, that's for sure. Weak against the US. Weak against gun control. Pretty much bang on actually. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted December 17, 2012 Report Posted December 17, 2012 I'll never support a ban on guns, Then get used to watching more and bigger mass shootings in your country. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Posted December 17, 2012 Why don't you do the same for cocaine and heroin? Why are you waisting your time, money and energy trying to stop drugs. Why should we make them readily available? Just because you are in love with them? Hey, I was just answering your question. This response means that you agree, technically. The U.S. wastes its time and money controlling illegal drugs because it wants to. We can even do it while wearing name tags. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Posted December 17, 2012 Then get used to watching more and bigger mass shootings in your country. Okay, but they are not even close to bigger "mass shootings" in other nations. Go convince them to ban guns instead. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WWWTT Posted December 17, 2012 Report Posted December 17, 2012 Chance what will? Killing sprees? Any evidence that Harper has done anything to make that more likely? Getting rid of a Long Gun Registry was a tool to eliminate a wasteful federal program. The guns in the Newtown shootings were legally owned so there's nothing to stop something like this happening in Canada. It happened in a College in Quebec years ago. Maybe not mass shootings. But possibly suicides,domestic violence? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Wilber Posted December 17, 2012 Report Posted December 17, 2012 Hey, I was just answering your question. This response means that you agree, technically. The U.S. wastes its time and money controlling illegal drugs because it wants to. We can even do it while wearing name tags. For the same reason it loves its guns. Because it wants to. The Constitution has little to do with it. That's only the justification. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
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