Canada "ready to go to war against syria" press reports...

[Signals.Cpl]

double post.

Edited January 3, 2013 by Signals.Cpl

[DogOnPorch]

The likely scenario in my books is that the FSA supplied THEMSELVES from captured government armories. But, it is a lot less sexy than James Bond dropping Bulgarian AK-47s from C-130s...or whatever method the spooks are using to get these sorely needed guns to Syria, There's a shortage, you see...

[Signals.Cpl]

so we went from this:

We already had this wee discussion. Or is your needle just skipping? The video and photographic evidence coming from the battlefields shows almost ALL Russian or copies of Russian weapons.

https://www.google.c...8O63SiALhgoD4Dw

To this:

The likely scenario in my books is that the FSA supplied THEMSELVES from captured government armories. But, it is a lot less sexy than James Bond dropping Bulgarian AK-47s from C-130s...or whatever method the spooks are using to get these sorely needed guns to Syria, There's a shortage, you see...

There might have been a shortage of Russian made weapons, depending on how the government of Syria controlled the weapons, there might have been 10,000,000 AKs in Syria before but if the government had 99.999% of the weapons in their hands or at least in the hands of supporters then the argument that there were plenty of weapons in Syria does not necessarily mean that those weapons were available to anyone other than the government and their most loyal supporters.

[GostHacked]

The likely scenario in my books is that the FSA supplied THEMSELVES from captured government armories. But, it is a lot less sexy than James Bond dropping Bulgarian AK-47s from C-130s...or whatever method the spooks are using to get these sorely needed guns to Syria, There's a shortage, you see...

Well I guess two out of three ain't bad. FSA is being trained and funded by NATO, and we have clearly established that that is the case.

[DogOnPorch]

Well I guess two out of three ain't bad. FSA is being trained and funded by NATO, and we have clearly established that that is the case.

That's your line. Mine is that the Syrians are quite capable of arming themselves with the millions of Russian made weapons already in country. As well, nobody can give a half-baked reason as to WHY Bulgaria...or Albania...or whatever...is going along with this. What is NATO getting by supplying these al-Qaeda linked rebels who kill prisoners with pocket knives for sport? I'm willing to believe in your Santa Claus scenario...lets see some hoof prints leading to the prize, eh?

[Signals.Cpl]

That's your line. Mine is that the Syrians are quite capable of arming themselves with the millions of Russian made weapons already in country. As well, nobody can give a half-baked reason as to WHY Bulgaria...or Albania...or whatever...is going along with this. What is NATO getting by supplying these al-Qaeda linked rebels who kill prisoners with pocket knives for sport? I'm willing to believe in your Santa Claus scenario...lets see some hoof prints leading to the prize, eh?

What do they get? I don't know what did they get to go to Iraq?

[DogOnPorch]

What do they get? I don't know what did they get to go to Iraq?

So you don't know, either. But, the James Bond scenario is likely while arming themselves via captured weapons isn't.

Yeah...Moon Hoaxer go to strange lengths to 'prove' America didn't go to the Moon...overlooking that the Russians were watching every move Apollo made.

[Signals.Cpl]

So you don't know, either. But, the James Bond scenario is likely while arming themselves via captured weapons isn't.

There is no James Bond scenario, its just NATO dropping off a few truckloads of weapons and ammo in a refugee camp and telling them to help themselves. The US spun so many lies in order to go to Iraq so forgive me if dropping some rifles of with the rebels in Syria suddenly doesn't seem so far fetched... and for the life of me I could not see a good reason why the NATO nations in Eastern Europe went to War in Iraq when the majority of NATO nations in the west sat on the sidelines but they did go in so once again not too much of a stretch to sell or donate weapons if the US should come knocking.

Yeah...Moon Hoaxer go to strange lengths to 'prove' America didn't go to the Moon...overlooking that the Russians were watching every move Apollo made.

You mean like Iraq? The US went to great lengths to create evidence overlooking the fact that there were no WMDs in Iraq...

[DogOnPorch]

There is no James Bond scenario, its just NATO dropping off a few truckloads of weapons and ammo in a refugee camp and telling them to help themselves. The US spun so many lies in order to go to Iraq so forgive me if dropping some rifles of with the rebels in Syria suddenly doesn't seem so far fetched... and for the life of me I could not see a good reason why the NATO nations in Eastern Europe went to War in Iraq when the majority of NATO nations in the west sat on the sidelines but they did go in so once again not too much of a stretch to sell or donate weapons if the US should come knocking.

You mean like Iraq? The US went to great lengths to create evidence overlooking the fact that there were no WMDs in Iraq...

That explains all the fake dead bodies due to chemical weapons attacks made by Iraq. I kinda figured it was all a big lie...........

[Signals.Cpl]

That explains all the fake dead bodies due to chemical weapons attacks made by Iraq. I kinda figured it was all a big lie...........

Relying on decades old intelligence is great, relying on nations historic actions is bullshit...right? Talk about seeing what you want to see...

Where are the death camps in Germany? We have pictures of those... they are from the early 1940's but they should be good enough for an invasion right?

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[DogOnPorch]

Relying on decades old intelligence is great, relying on nations historic actions is bullshit...right? Talk about seeing what you want to see...

Using this theory, we can infer that the world is now safe from nuclear war. We haven't seen a nuke test done out in the open for nigh on 55 years or so. Absolutely no evidence that they still exist. They do have shelf lives.......after all.

[Signals.Cpl]

Using this theory, we can infer that the world is now safe from nuclear war. We haven't seen a nuke test done out in the open for nigh on 55 years or so. Absolutely no evidence that they still exist. They do have shelf lives.......after all.

Why didn't the US deal with the threat in 1991? They had the intelligence at the time right? Why wait 15+ years to bring it up? And where are the WMDs anyway?

[DogOnPorch]

Why didn't the US deal with the threat in 1991? They had the intelligence at the time right? Why wait 15+ years to bring it up? And where are the WMDs anyway?

The highway of death if I recall. Got a tad slaughterhouse-like during the retreat. Suddenly everybody found out war was Hell. Time-out was called.

Re: Zee gaz. If you can recall, heavy truck traffic between Iraq and Syria occurred just before the opening kickoff. If I was going to move it, then would have been the time. But, perhaps Saddam and crew were buck stupid. What do you think?

[DogOnPorch]

Where are the death camps in Germany? We have pictures of those... they are from the early 1940's but they should be good enough for an invasion right?

There were no death camps until 1942 and nobody except the SS involved were privy to their exact location.

[DogOnPorch]

Oh...and a certain number of Jews, of course.

Today, each of us becomes the bearer of secrets.

---Heydrich

Edited January 3, 2013 by DogOnPorch

[Signals.Cpl]

The highway of death if I recall. Got a tad slaughterhouse-like during the retreat. Suddenly everybody found out war was Hell. Time-out was called.

Re: Zee gaz. If you can recall, heavy truck traffic between Iraq and Syria occurred just before the opening kickoff. If I was going to move it, then would have been the time. But, perhaps Saddam and crew were buck stupid. What do you think?

So trucks delivering rifles to Rebels is James Bond type of thing, but Saddam moving his entire arsenal of WMD across a border and under the noses of the mighty United States is all too plausible? Where is the proof? Or is this one of those scenarios where you can assume without having proof while support for Syrian rebels requires rock solid proof...

[Signals.Cpl]

There were no death camps until 1942 and nobody except the SS involved were privy to their exact location.

So? What is the point? Does this absolve Germany in any way? Their entire senior leadership was in one way or another instrumental in this atrocity so the time that the death camps started up and which arm of the national government conducted it is irrelevant... at the end of the day the German nation is responsible...

[Signals.Cpl]

Oh...and a certain number of Jews, of course.

Today, each of us becomes the bearer of secrets.

---Heydrich

Don't forget the other 5 million victims...

[DogOnPorch]

So? What is the point? Does this absolve Germany in any way? Their entire senior leadership was in one way or another instrumental in this atrocity so the time that the death camps started up and which arm of the national government conducted it is irrelevant... at the end of the day the German nation is responsible...

Of course Germany was to blame, but keep in mind the state of affairs in Jan 1942. Victory for Germany on all fronts. Germany had a 'storage problem' as Heydrich said, of all the Jews in Eastern Europe. It was the SS's mandate to find a solution and shooting the Jews in pits was costing them a mint. The whole idea of the Wannsee Conference was not so much to get assistance in killing off the 'storage problem', but rather to put all the other branches of government that could cause problems in reaching this Final Solution in their proper place at the feet of the SS.

So trucks delivering rifles to Rebels is James Bond type of thing, but Saddam moving his entire arsenal of WMD across a border and under the noses of the mighty United States is all too plausible? Where is the proof? Or is this one of those scenarios where you can assume without having proof while support for Syrian rebels requires rock solid proof...

It's not so much that it isn't possible or even happening at a small scale. It's more that it is slowly being cast as NATO's war...and it most certainly is not. Russia is given a pass...but America is loading up the trucks in Turkey (w/ Daniel Craig at the helm) and pushing the entire war effort at the expense of those innocent Arabs in Syria who merely wanted their Arab Spring. People would suddenly like to believe everybody carries an AK-47 over there due to a secret NATO plan to flood old Warsaw Pact gear onto the once weapon free battlefield...barf. There are well over 200 million Russian AK-47s alone...perhaps...just PERHAPS the bloody Russian gave their own guns to the Syrians.

Edited January 4, 2013 by DogOnPorch

[Signals.Cpl]

It's not so much that it isn't possible or even happening at a small scale. It's more that it is slowly being cast as NATO's war...and it most certainly is not.

I am not saying it is or is not NATO's war, I don't know and I couldn't care less as to whose war it is... my position is that NATO aiding the rebels is possible and in fact plausible as they have the means and motives to do so.

Russia is given a pass...but America is loading up the trucks in Turkey (w/ Daniel Craig at the helm) and pushing the entire war effort at the expense of those innocent Arabs in Syria who merely wanted their Arab Spring.

I don't think anyone is giving Russia a pass, but Russia is relevant only as far as the UN is concerned if this becomes a NATO led war then Russia will have no say in the matter.

People would suddenly like to believe everybody carries an AK-47 over there due to a secret NATO plan to flood old Warsaw Pact gear onto the once weapon free battlefield...barf.

I don't know why you have this tendency to go to the extreme's where NATO is either not involved completely or they are flooding Syria with Russian weapons, I stated that NATO has members who maintain substantial arsenals of Soviet era weapons and some of them have factories producing weapons as well so your statement that NATO has nothing to do with Syria because the only weapons visible are Russian is false...

There are well over 200 million Russian AK-47s alone...perhaps...just PERHAPS the bloody Russian gave their own guns to the Syrians.

Are you suggesting that Russia is selling weapons to both sides?

[bush_cheney2004]

Using this theory, we can infer that the world is now safe from nuclear war. We haven't seen a nuke test done out in the open for nigh on 55 years or so. Absolutely no evidence that they still exist. They do have shelf lives.......after all.

Well played, Sir. Most peacemongers don't realize that nuclear arms limitation protocols are really about "downsizing" to far more accurate and reliable weapons systems. Testing continues inside Cray super-computers.

[DogOnPorch]

Are you suggesting that Russia is selling weapons to both sides?

I think there are large stores of Russian weapons all across Syria if one is willing to take them. But, let's invent a crazy story worthy of Infowarz to liven up the plot a bit...

[DogOnPorch]

Well played, Sir. Most peacemongers don't realize that nuclear arms limitation protocols are really about "downsizing" to far more accurate and reliable weapons systems. Testing continues inside Cray super-computers.

Saddam used every drop of his chemical weapons stocks on the Kurds...of course.

[WIP]

No actual visual evidence. Where are these NATO armed Syrian soldiers? Where's the NATO hardware?

Does it count if the U.S. is supplying Patriot missiles to Turkey and setting up a No Fly Zone, like Libya and Iraq previously?

US troops arrive in Turkey to begin operating Patriot batteries

Turkish media reported on Friday that the 27-member team of US military forces had arrived in the southeastern city of Gaziantep. The team will also inspect the site of the batteries.

On December 21, 2012, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the Patriot missile batteries will be installed near the southeastern cities of Adana, Gaziantep and Kahramanmaras.

US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta signed orders to authorize deploying the Patriots and about 400 troops to Turkey on December 14. Washington will provide two out of six such batteries, while Germany and the Netherlands will each contribute two.

All the six Patriot batteries are scheduled to be operational near the Turkey-Syria border by the end of January.

The NATO military alliance approved a request by Turkey for the deployment of Patriot surface-to-air missiles in the border region on December 4. However, thousands of Turkish people held demonstrations against the military plan later.

Now, since you are part of this group that is always screaming about needing vigilance against the Muslim threat, how do you explain the role Britain and then the U.S. has played in encouraging the Muslim Brotherhood....which seems to have an uncanny ability to carry out U.S. interests:

What Is the Muslim Brotherhood, and Will It Take Over Egypt?

The basics on the group that has Glenn Beck going batshit.—By Robert Dreyfuss

| Fri Feb. 11, 2011

For the next five decades, the Muslim Brotherhood would serve as a battering ram

against nationalists and communists

. Despite the Brothers' Islam-based anti-imperialism, the group often ended up

making common cause with the colonial British

. It functioned as an intelligence agency, infiltrating left-wing and nationalist groups.

Where's the US Been in All of This?

Throughout the Mubarak era, the United States has had a contradictory, uncertain policy toward the Muslim Brotherhood. Robert Pelletreau, who served as ambassador to Egypt from 1991 to 1993, told me in an interview several years ago that he sought to open a dialogue with the group during his tenure in Cairo, and when Mubarak visited Washington, Pelletreau asked then-Secretary of State Warren Christopher to raise the issue with the Egyptian leader. "I'll never forget what happened next," he told me. "Mubarak sat up sharply, rigidly. 'These people killed my predecessor!' Then he raised this huge fist, and he slammed it down on the table hard, and everything on the table jumped and rattled. Bang! 'When they come out, we have to hit them.'" Edward Walker, who succeeded Pelletreau as US envoy in Cairo, was far more skeptical about dialogue with the Brotherhood, and for the most part, he supported Mubarak's efforts to suppress it. "I can't count the number of times Mubarak yelled at me about how the British were giving the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamists safe haven," Walker told me in 2005.

Since then, there's been little or no official contact between the US and the Muslim Brotherhood (though a few years ago, the Bush administration convened a series of meetings to discuss whether or not to engage them). The Obama administration has walked a fine line, too, signaling a willingness to make sure that the Brotherhood is included in any negotiations with the Egyptian military, while declaring that there have been no direct contacts between US officials and the Brothers. Obama administration officials have also expressed concern about the possibility that the group could come out on top once the dust settles in Cairo.

Syrian rebels elect new military commander

By Khaled Yacoub Oweis | Reuters – Sat, Dec 8, 2012

AMMAN (Reuters) - Syrian rebel groups have chosen a former officer to head a new Islamist-dominated command, in a Western-backed effort to put the opposition's house in order as President Bashar al-Assad's army takes hits that could usher his downfall.

In Turkey, a newly formed joint command of Syrian rebel groups has chosen Brigadier Selim Idris, one of hundreds of officers who have defected from Assad's army, as its head, opposition sources said on Saturday.

Idris, whose home province of Homs has been at the forefront of the Sunni Muslim-led uprising, was elected by 30 military and civilian members of the joint military command after talks attended by Western and Arab security officials in the Turkish city of Antalya.

The unified command includes many with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and to Salafists, who follow a puritanical interpretation of Islam. It excludes the most senior officers who have defected from Assad's military.

And, who is the Free Syrian Army?

After Assad, is strict Islamic rule ahead for Syria?

Tom A. Peter, Special for USA TODAY11:39a.m. EST January 3, 2013

ALEPPO, Syria — The voice of Islamist groups is growing louder in Syria as a number of Syrians in the battleground province of Aleppo are expressing increasing interest in establishing a government that leans toward a strict Islamic state.

Syria analysts say the move is a shift in Syria, which has had a longstanding presence of the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood but whose people have largely shunned radical Islamic jihadism.

"Traditionally, Syrians have trended toward more moderate interpretations," said Mohammed Ghanem, director of strategy for the Syrian American Council.

"If you look at the history of the country, we've never had those trends or patterns of the population shifting to those hard-line positions," he said. "This has never happened in the history of the country."

STORY: U.N.: Analysis suggests 60,000-plus killed in Syria

The shift comes as radical groups

from outside Syria

have increasingly become part of the fight against the regime of Bashar Assad, whose military has lost ground recently in its attempt to beat down a uprising against his dictatorial rule....................................

Foreign jihadists are in both fights.

Their ultimate aim of creating an Islamic theocracy here is not new a new idea in Syria but they may be closer to their goal than ever before. The Muslim Brotherhood has been active in Syria for decades and it believes in a form of Islamic law and rejection of Western culture. But the secular Syrian regime created by Assad's father in 1971 has cracked down relentlessly and violently on dissent of any kind, including Islamist ideals.

Wahhabist Sunnis, who form the backbone of the al-Qaeda terror group, have had no significant homegrown movement here.

Assad did allow its members to transit through Syria to fight the Americans in Iraq

,

though, and

his main ally in the region is the theocratic Shiite state of Iran.

So, let's cut the bullshit here, that the U.S. Government is supporting a populist uprising in Syria! It's really about the U.S., Israel, Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia & the Gulf States, engaged in a religious, sectarian war against Iranian allies, with the ultimate aim being to take out Iran some time later this year....possibly. And, the deal with the devil, being made by the Americans again, is to support all of the groups on their terrorist watch lists in common cause against Iran. They may have different interests, but for now, they all have the same objective.

The end result will be that Syria will end up an ethnically cleansed Sunni theocratic state, and either kill or expel all of the minorities: Shia, Alawite, Druze, Christian, and then we will hear American leaders once again decrying the danger of Al Qaeda and Islamic extremists.....until they once again are useful for some American foreign venture some time in the future!

Andrei Arbashe, Christian Taxi-Driver 'Beheaded By Syrian Rebels & Fed To Dogs'

Edited January 4, 2013 by WIP

[DogOnPorch]

Turkey isn't Syria. You must have also missed the details of the Cuban Missile Crisis so long ago. Look up PGM-19 Jupiter if you're interested.