F-35 Purchase Cancelled; CF-18 replacement process begins

[bush_cheney2004]

Meanwhile, back at the reality ranch in Texas:

FORT WORTH, Texas, Dec. 13, 2013 – At a ceremony attended by more than 2,000 employees and guests, Lockheed Martin [NYSE: LMT] celebrated the production of its 100th F-35 Lightning II.

The first 100 F-35s include 44 F-35A conventional takeoff and landing (CTOL) variants, 42 F-35B short takeoff/vertical landing (STOVL) variants, and 14 F-35C carrier (CV) variants. The U.S. Department of Defense will receive 95 of the first 100 jets from the F-35 assembly line here. The remaining five jets were delivered to two of the program’s partner countries. The United Kingdom received three F-35B aircraft and two F-35As have been delivered to the Netherlands.

http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2013/12/16/lockheed-martin-produces-100th-f-35/

#100

This surely has some mysterious meaning for Canada that has yet to be determined.

Edited December 21, 2013 by bush_cheney2004

[Guest Derek L]

Meanwhile, back at the reality ranch in Texas:

FORT WORTH, Texas, Dec. 13, 2013 – At a ceremony attended by more than 2,000 employees and guests, Lockheed Martin [NYSE: LMT] celebrated the production of its 100th F-35 Lightning II.

The first 100 F-35s include 44 F-35A conventional takeoff and landing (CTOL) variants, 42 F-35B short takeoff/vertical landing (STOVL) variants, and 14 F-35C carrier (CV) variants. The U.S. Department of Defense will receive 95 of the first 100 jets from the F-35 assembly line here. The remaining five jets were delivered to two of the program’s partner countries. The United Kingdom received three F-35B aircraft and two F-35As have been delivered to the Netherlands.

http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2013/12/16/lockheed-martin-produces-100th-f-35/

#100

This surely has some mysterious meaning for Canada that has yet to be determined.

Yeah, #100 Was unveiled to AC/DC’s:

Thunder-Lighting……..close enough I guess

Oh, the meaning isn’t mysterious……..The Hornet replacement program is in full swing, and fully expect public traction in the Spring or early Summer

And like DOP, I bid you a Merry Christmas to you are yours, and I’ll see you back in 2014.….nothing says Christmas like Paradise Valley AZ

[waldo]

Yeah, #100 Was unveiled to AC/DC’s:

which lot#? After a decade+ of over-budget, under-delivery, over-hype! Care to take a swag on how many retrofits this one will need? Care to advise what percentage of actual target/intended function & capability is in that #100?

why is it you danced right over my latest post references to concurrency and retrofit requirements? Come to think of it, that's a topic you avoid... big time! You've always skirted around it, forevah! My latest post reference to it is just a few posts back - would you like me to repost it again? Let me know, hey! "Thunderstruck"! Indeed.

[Guest Derek L]

which lot#? After a decade+ of over-budget, under-delivery, over-hype! Care to take a swag on how many retrofits this one will need? Care to advise what percentage of actual target/intended function & capability is in that #100?

As we’ve already discussed, the entire multinational fleet will be continually upgraded throughout it’s life and opposed to current practices that often seen with a given fleet having one or two major upgrades through the course of their lives, well standardization amongst operators is thrown out the window.

why is it you danced right over my latest post references to concurrency and retrofit requirements? Come to think of it, that's a topic you avoid... big time! You've always skirted around it, forevah! My latest post reference to it is just a few posts back - would you like me to repost it again? Let me know, hey! "Thunderstruck"! Indeed.

As I’ve said numerous times to you, the entire program will be one of continual, living upgrades directed and funded as a proportional ratio based on the size and commitment of the end users fleets.

[waldo]

As weve already discussed, the entire multinational fleet will be continually upgraded throughout its life and opposed to current practices that often seen with a given fleet having one or two major upgrades through the course of their lives, well standardization amongst operators is thrown out the window.

As Ive said numerous times to you, the entire program will be one of continual, living upgrades directed and funded as a proportional ratio based on the size and commitment of the end users fleets.

so what? None of that has anything to do with concurrency and the impact that approach has had on the JSFail program costs/delivery. So... once again, you avoid the actual topic of concurrency! Of course you do.

[Guest Derek L]

so what? None of that has anything to do with concurrency and the impact that approach has had on the JSFail program costs/delivery. So... once again, you avoid the actual topic of concurrency! Of course you do.

Sure it does......You asked:

Care to take a swag on how many retrofits this one will need? Care to advise what percentage of actual target/intended function & capability is in that #100?

[waldo]

Sure it does......You asked:

goes with your strengths! Go with your lame attempts! Retrofits... in the context of LRIP... in the context of the discussion at hand (i.e., concurrency), does not mean "life upgrades"! Like I said, you won't honestly discuss the failure of concurrency and what it has meant... and what it will continue to mean, to the JSFail program. Go with your strengths DeflectorMan!

[Guest Derek L]

goes with your strengths! Go with your lame attempts! Retrofits... in the context of LRIP... in the context of the discussion at hand (i.e., concurrency), does not mean "life upgrades"! Like I said, you won't honestly discuss the failure of concurrency and what it has meant... and what it will continue to mean, to the JSFail program. Go with your strengths DeflectorMan!

Are these not your words:

Care to take a swag on how many retrofits this one will need? Care to advise what percentage of actual target/intended function & capability is in that #100?

?

[waldo]

Are these not your words:

?

yes DeflectorMan... they most certainly are. And again, you can play your perpetual silly-buggar game... as I said, "Retrofits... in the context of LRIP... in the context of the discussion at hand (i.e., concurrency), does not mean "life upgrades"!"

clearly, you want nothing to do with the topic of concurrency! Deflect away, DeflectorMan!

[kimmy]

I was reading yesterday that Brazil has chosen the Saab Gripen over the Super Hornet and Dassault Rafale. If I recall, the Rafale and Super Hornet were a couple of the options Canada has looked at, weren't they?

-k

[waldo]

I was reading yesterday that Brazil has chosen the Saab Gripen over the Super Hornet and Dassault Rafale. If I recall, the Rafale and Super Hornet were a couple of the options Canada has looked at, weren't they?

-k

Super Hornet was described as a lock... until

[Guest Derek L]

I was reading yesterday that Brazil has chosen the Saab Gripen over the Super Hornet and Dassault Rafale. If I recall, the Rafale and Super Hornet were a couple of the options Canada has looked at, weren't they?

-k

And the Gripen......but Saab has since pulled out........And yes, all three (and the Eurofighter) have been looked at since the 90s

In the case of Brazil, I'm surprised that the Rafale lost in all honesty.......The Brazilians currently need aircraft for their air force, but will eventually need replacements for their 50s era Skyhawks that their navy flies……In my view, the selection of the Rafale would have “made sense” as a replacement for both services, with the Navy in particular because their current aircraft carrier (the former French Foch) , the Sao Paulo, is restricted in the size & weight of aircraft it can operate, a restriction that precludes Western naval aircraft currently in production (Super Hornet and the F-35C)……..but well in French service, the Foch conducted the initial sea trials of the Rafale….to say nothing of the relationship the French have developed with the Brazilians, namely in the exchange of maritime nuclear technology…….

What the Brazilian selection means, outside of a handful of attrition replacements for the United States Navy, is that Boeing’s Super Hornet line, like that of the F-15, will be closing shop for good in a couple of years…….at which point, you might find a house in St. Louis really, really cheap.

[waldo]

What the Brazilian selection means, outside of a handful of attrition replacements for the United States Navy, is that Boeing’s Super Hornet line, like that of the F-15, will be closing shop for good in a couple of years…….at which point, you might find a house in St. Louis really, really cheap.

in your LockMart propaganda dreams! More and more U.S. lawmakers are raising concerns over the sole-sourcing reliance on the failed F-35... the USN has always had a preference for anything but the F-35 and is becoming more vocal in the regard.

[bush_cheney2004]

....What the Brazilian selection means, outside of a handful of attrition replacements for the United States Navy, is that Boeing’s Super Hornet line, like that of the F-15, will be closing shop for good in a couple of years…….at which point, you might find a house in St. Louis really, really cheap.

Homes in East St. Louis can already be had on the cheap, but you will need APC's, not fighter "jets". The Gripen NG is a Gen 4.5 lightweight platform with similar performance to F-16 Block 52/60. Brazil considered cost and Saab technology transfer heavily in their choice.

[Guest Derek L]

in your LockMart propaganda dreams! More and more U.S. lawmakers are raising concerns over the sole-sourcing reliance on the failed F-35... the USN has always had a preference for anything but the F-35 and is becoming more vocal in the regard.

You have no idea what you're talking about.......The Super Hornet is a kiss from the cousin after the cancellation of the A-12 Avenger......The USN very much wants a modern stealth aircraft, and have prior to the X-35 even being a doodle....

[bush_cheney2004]

in your LockMart propaganda dreams! More and more U.S. lawmakers are raising concerns over the sole-sourcing reliance on the failed F-35... the USN has always had a preference for anything but the F-35 and is becoming more vocal in the regard.

Has nothing to do with Canada....as usual. Who made all those CF-188's ???

[Guest Derek L]

Homes in East St. Louis can already be had on the cheap, but you will need APC's, not fighter "jets". The Gripen NG is a Gen 4.5 lightweight platform with similar performance to F-16 Block 52/60. Brazil considered cost and Saab technology transfer heavily in their choice.

Like the Griswalds should have had on their passing through the town

[bush_cheney2004]

You have no idea what you're talking about.......The Super Hornet is a kiss from the cousin after the cancellation of the A-12 Avenger......The USN very much wants a modern stealth aircraft, and have prior to the X-35 even being a doodle....

No bull....I was on the A-12 program when it got cancelled. Many layoffs followed...as did Bombcats.

[Guest Derek L]

No bull....I was on the A-12 program when it got cancelled. Many layoffs followed...as did Bombcats.

And the Bombcat wasn't born because the Super-Bug was all singing and dancing........As has been stated many, many times, the F-35C is very much apart of the USN’s plans going forward, so much so, that they’ve got Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children to relent on their all “B” force for the gator freighters……..Baa-Baa Black Sheep 2.0

Edited December 22, 2013 by Derek L

[waldo]

You have no idea what you're talking about.......The Super Hornet is a kiss from the cousin after the cancellation of the A-12 Avenger......The USN very much wants a modern stealth aircraft, and have prior to the X-35 even being a doodle....

like you do... like you know what you're talking about? Surely you can't deny raised concerns from U.S. lawmakers... I've quoted several, one recently - serious concerns about putting the U.S. into a complete and total dependency on the failed F-35. I've quoted leaders within the USN expressing their reservations on the F-35... with top-guy, Chief of Naval Operations, USN Admiral Greenhert's most vocal criticism of stealth. Of course, he was quickly reigned in and has been a little muted lately in voicing his real opinions. And, of course, there was this recent USN solicitation bid for Super Hornets and Growlers... of course, subsequently cancelled when SHTF... but the cat was already out of the bag!

[bush_cheney2004]

.....As has been stated many, many times, the F-35C is very much apart of the USN’s plans going forward.....

Yep...anybody praying for a U.S. cancellation of the F-35 program as a way to stop Canada's warmonger procurement of new strike fighter "jets" will be very disappointed, and have to find money for more safe injection sites elsewhere.

[waldo]

What the Brazilian selection means, outside of a handful of attrition replacements for the United States Navy, is that Boeing’s Super Hornet line, like that of the F-15, will be closing shop for good in a couple of years…….at which point, you might find a house in St. Louis really, really cheap.

a couple of years? 2015 then, hey? Oh wait...

We spend too much time on this F-18 vs. JSF question. No matter what happens with the Hornets, the Navy F-35C won’t enter service until 2019 and will take years to enter the fleet in numbers. Until JSF does arrive in the fleet, the Super Hornet is Navy aviation. That’ s our striking power, it’s the mainstay of our force structure, and there’s nothing else out there.

2019... itself presuming on F-35 numbers... and actual capability to meet the USN's want/needs. Like I said, in your LockMart propandizing dreams!

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[Guest Derek L]

a couple of years? 2015 then, hey? Oh wait...

2019... itself presuming on F-35 numbers... and actual capability to meet the USN's want/needs. Like I said, in your LockMart propandizing dreams!

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And what did I say above:

What the Brazilian selection means, outside of a handful of attrition replacements for the United States Navy, is that Boeing’s Super Hornet line, like that of the F-15, will be closing shop for good in a couple of years…….

And as been said many, many times to you, the F-35C is replacing legacy USN and USMC Hornets, with the Super Hornets not being replaced until the early 2030s by either/or further F-35C orders, a 6th generation aircraft, UCAVs or a combination of the three.

Please try and keep up.

[waldo]

And what did I say above:

Please try and keep up.

you've long been puffing your chest out over the demise of the Super Hornet... long before the Brazil decision. Ya, ya, you sure know what you're talking about! I guess that's what happens when you're raised as a military brat, hey.... I kid, I kid!

[Guest Derek L]

you've long been puffing your chest out over the demise of the Super Hornet... long before the Brazil decision. Ya, ya, you sure know what you're talking about! I guess that's what happens when you're raised as a military brat, hey.... I kid, I kid!

For sure......it's reality........

As for the personal dig, my father left the RCN when I was about 5.....what's your point other then trying to get yourself further ignored?