ReeferMadness Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 No it isn't....your new government had declared that the F-35 is too expensive for miserly Canada. There are now more F-35s than airworthy CF-18s. The CF-18 replacement process is a never ending circle jerk. And you hang around because you like to watch? :lol: Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Still so worried about a stealth strike fighter that Canada won't/can't afford to buy....why ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) And you hang around because you like to watch? :lol: Correct.....this gong show is funnier than the previous rotary winged aircraft gong show(s). The Liberal government produced versions are always the funniest. Edited December 2, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 your "will be" seems at odds with the "we are expecting" most vested interests of the Australian Air Force guy so entrenched in their F-35 decision - imagine that. Are you suggesting the head of the RAAF is stretching the truth? I take it you aren't in position to provide the current tally of, per nation, procurement... proposed versus actual? Even proposed... I'll take that too; well, so long as your proposed numbers reflect on the cuts from the original proposals - yes? Sure, a list of each nations requirements and industrial participation as of this year. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 After the Marine Corp claimed the F-35 was combat ready, a DOD report contradicted that. Ahh no, said report suggests the F-35B, in USMC service, wasn't operational........before it was declared operational.....groundbreaking news Quote
ReeferMadness Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Are you suggesting the head of the RAAF is stretching the truth? Sure, a list of each nations requirements and industrial participation as of this year. A quote from your link: Canada is poised to buy 65 Lockheed Martin Corp F-35 Joint Strike Fighter jets, sources familiar with the process told Reuters, marking a major renewal of Canada's fighter fleet and helping contain costs of the expensive defense program. :lol: If that is reflective of the currency of the propaganda information on that site, I wouldn't rely on it too much. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Derek 2.0 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 This recent report on the F-35 reiterates what the other sources have reported: First said report draws from said other sources.....repeating incorrect claims doesn't make them right....... Reading said report's first table, they are comparing data sans an external payload........ Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 :lol: If that is reflective of the currency of the propaganda information on that site, I wouldn't rely on it too much. Why? Are you suggesting said nations don't have such requirements? Quote
ReeferMadness Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 First said report draws from said other sources.....repeating incorrect claims doesn't make them right....... Reading said report's first table, they are comparing data sans an external payload........ Read the full report It covers claims that other jets are tested sans payload. In fact, it says the opposite is true - that tests have compared an empty F-35 against partially loaded 4 gen fighters. The F-35 sacrifices performance for stealth and the stealth advantage is already (at least) partially degraded through the use of low frequency radar. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Why? Are you suggesting said nations don't have such requirements? Your link claims Canada is about to buy 65 F-35's. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Derek 2.0 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Read the full report It covers claims that other jets are tested sans payload. In fact, it says the opposite is true - that tests have compared an empty F-35 against partially loaded 4 gen fighters. I did, and looked at their source data for such figures...........a blog Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Your link claims Canada is about to buy 65 F-35's. Based on this Government, as of yet, not leaving the program, well investing additional funds into it, I don't know that to be incorrect. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Trudeau has already said he's not in the market for the bomb truck. Quote
Smallc Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Trudeau has already said he's not in the market for the bomb truck. That's still not a fair description, as every competitor, save possibly the Typhoon, is also a bomb truck. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Based on this Government, as of yet, not leaving the program, well investing additional funds into it, I don't know that to be incorrect. Just a guess, but now that the election is over and four years of selfies are guaranteed, the government can easily back pedal on another campaign "promise" and reconsider the F-35 procurement after all. Funny how that works, huh ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 That's still not a fair description, as every competitor, save possibly the Typhoon, is also a bomb truck. Except the others aren't quite so guilty of just altering their specs when their product continues to fail to meet them. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 That's still not a fair description, as every competitor, save possibly the Typhoon, is also a bomb truck. Clearly, despite Derek's protests to the contrary, the Gripen, Typhoon and Rafale could all fly rings around the butterball. As could the Russian or Chinese aircraft the F-35 is likely to meet. Oh, and also the F15, F16 and F18. Not sure if I've forgotten any. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Smallc Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Clearly, despite Derek's protests to the contrary, the Gripen, Typhoon and Rafale could all fly rings around the butterball. I believe it. I'm simply stating that they're all intended for the same role, other than the Typhoon which is more A2A oriented. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 I believe it. I'm simply stating that they're all intended for the same role, other than the Typhoon which is more A2A oriented. I haven't read much about the Rafale but I have read some about the Gripen. And nothing has suggested to me that it is primarily a bomb truck, the way the butterball is. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Smallc Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 I haven't read much about the Rafale but I have read some about the Gripen. And nothing has suggested to me that it is primarily a bomb truck, the way the butterball is. Actually, looking into it, it seems you're right. The Gripen and Typhoon are primarily air to air fighters. The rest are multirole platforms. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Actually, looking into it, it seems you're right. The Gripen and Typhoon are primarily air to air fighters. The rest are multirole platforms. Sweet. Somebody (might have been Derek) has been claiming that the Gripen was designed mainly to chase Russian tanks. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Not sure if I've forgotten any. You forgot the F-22, which can also run circles around all your don't have and won't buy faves as well. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Meanwhile, Canada is enjoying its very typical defense procurement circle jerk that ends when all other delay tactics have been exhausted. you continue to emphasize concerns over Canada's defense procurement... yet, I've offered you past challenges to have you do a relative, yet high-level, comparison of Canadian versus U.S. military procurement failures. I expect you continue to refuse taking up that comparison challenge given the overwhelming number of significant U.S. failures... or, in your words, U.S. "procurement circle jerks". . Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Canada hasn't had an air combat kill since the Korean War if memory serves me right. But it has dropped lots of bombs on other nations. So why all the concern about fantasy Top Gun scenarios for Canadian Forces pilots ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 The first duty of the Canadian Forces is the defence of Canada. That should make it self evident. Quote
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