Khadr allways catches my attention in the news.

[Guest American Woman]

Just these people ended up fighting Nato. what don't you get about that?

Just that these people are citizens of a country that's part of NATO. What don't you get about that?

[login]

Just that these people are citizens of a country that's part of NATO. What don't you get about that?

US did it alone.

Maybe the US shouldn't go stomping on every third world country that doesn't suck it.

I don't like the idea of being dragged along on us foreign policy without my consent.

The US was out of line in attacking afghanistan. That is what I get.

What I don't get is that if any nato member tries to kill me, I feel justified to defend myself against that attack.

I don't get how you especially as an american say my only right is to die. I disagree.

If laws existed preventing the activity fine, but none existed in Canada so he was lawfully conducting himself.

I 110% support the rights of Canadians to conduct themselves lawfully as they so choose, especially while in other countries.

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[Guest American Woman]

US did it alone.

You are seriously unaware of NATO's involvement?

I don't like the idea of being dragged along on us foreign policy without my consent.

That doesn't change the reality.

[login]

You are seriously unaware of NATO's involvement?

That doesn't change the reality.

ISAF wasn't yet involved.

The reality i don't need to follow suit. And if America has a problem with that they can add it to their list.

I'll support individual freedom and liberty over any states totalitarian rule any day of the week.

This isn't about America but rather individuals rights to self determination.

Life Liberty and Pursuit of happiness.

And if you as an American, or America have a problem with that, they arn't American.

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[guyser]

You are seriously unaware of NATO's involvement?

No need to be redundant.

[Signals.Cpl]

ISAF wasn't yet involved.

The reality i don't need to follow suit. And if America has a problem with that they can add it to their list.

I'll support individual freedom and liberty over any states totalitarian rule any day of the week.

This isn't about America but rather individuals rights to self determination.

Who would want your input? We went to help the people of Afghanistan we did not go to commit a genocide against them seeing as you support genocide my conversation with you seem futile as you have no common sense or a sense of decency

[login]

Who would want your input?

Why ask the question?

We went to help the people of Afghanistan

bs.

we did not go to commit a genocide against them seeing as you support genocide my conversation with you seem futile as you have no common sense or a sense of decency

you are nonsense talking with that tangent.

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[Signals.Cpl]

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Why ask the question?

bs.

you are nonsense talking with that tangent.

Well we went to remove the Taliban from power, seeing as they had been brutalizing the people of Afghanistan for years it was appreciated help... while you admitted to supporting genocide hence you have no problem with committing one. When you learn the value of innocent life then we can talk.

[login]

Well we went to remove the Taliban from power, seeing as they had been brutalizing the people of Afghanistan for years it was appreciated help... while you admitted to supporting genocide hence you have no problem with committing one. When you learn the value of innocent life then we can talk.

Can you choose a reason and stick with it.

As I stated it as a means of preventing greater human rights abuses is merited but not in a context of hate, or to attack a group for their beleifs or practices in general.

You don't get it. For a signals nco you don't seem too bright.

People are a product of their circumstances. Innocence is relative.

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[Signals.Cpl]

Can you choose a reason and stick with it.

No I like veriety, unlike in your fantasy world there are multiple reason for events rather than only one... kinda like there are multiple reasons for you being irrelevant and they are all so good I cant stick to just one.

[Guest Peeves]

What "bad acts" did Khadr's father do?

Wasn't he killed in a fire fight in Pakistan? Yuppers

Wasn't a 'Canadian' son shot and paralized in the same fire fight? Yuppers.

Arrested for bombing in Egypt? Yup.

Wasn't he a fund raiser for Al Qaeda ? Yuppers

Wasn't the entire family (See Link) a disgrace to Canada...Abso-F'in tuttely!

"Ahmed Said Khadr

Born in Egypt, Omar Khadr's father moved to Canada in 1977, where he met and married Maha Elsamnah. Khadr fought the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1980s where U.S. authorities allege he befriended Osama bin Laden and became a "founding member" and financier of al-Qaida. His family says he did both charity work and ran orphanages in Afghanistan and Pakistan in the 1980s and 1990s. Arrested in connection with the bombing of the Egyptian embassy in Islamabad in 1995, Khadr was released in 1996 with the help of then-prime minister Jean Chretien. Khadr died in a gun battle with Pakistani forces near the Afghanistan border in October 2003.

Abdul Karim Khadr

Karim, 23, is the youngest son of Ahmed Said Khadr and Maha Elsamnah. He was paralyzed from the waist down in the same gun battle that killed his father in Pakistan in 2003. He returned with his mother to Canada in April 2004 to seek medical treatment and is now living in Toronto."

Read more: http://www.cp24.com/news/a-quick-sketch-of-omar-khadr-s-family-1.977121#ixzz2EmNU99yw

Read more: http://www.cp24.com/news/a-quick-sketch-of-omar-khadr-s-family-1.977121#ixzz2EmMUNY3W

Ostensibly those interests were supporting charity work in Afghanistan and Pakistan, but according to the US government, Ahmed Said Khadr was a senior al-Qaeda member and helped fund terrorist training camps. He was arrested in 1994 in connection with the bombing of the Egyptian embassy in Pakistan.

The family moved to Jalalabad in Afghanistan in 1996, and the US alleges that the family had regular encounters with Bin Laden and other al-Qaeda leaders.

In the summer of 2002, according to US intelligence, Omar Khadr received personal weapons training and was subsequently part of a unit that turned landmines into homemade bombs.

In July of that year, the then 15-year-old was captured during a clash between US and Afghan soldiers, and a small group of militants.

Khadr was accused of throwing a grenade that killed a US soldier and injured another. He was shot and seriously wounded in the aftermath.

Khadr's father was killed in Pakistan in 2003.

http://www.cp24.com/...family-1.977121

[login]

"Ahmed Said Khadr

Born in Egypt, Omar Khadr's father moved to Canada in 1977, where he met and married Maha Elsamnah.

Khadr fought the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1980s where U.S. authorities allege he befriended Osama bin Laden and became a "founding member" and financier of al-Qaida.

You can't use that it was a US interest.

His family says he did both charity work and ran orphanages in Afghanistan and Pakistan in the 1980s and 1990s.

Sounds noble to me.

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Arrested in connection with the bombing of the Egyptian embassy in Islamabad in 1995, Khadr was released in 1996 with the help of then-prime minister Jean Chretien.

Innocent until proven guilty.

]Khadr died in a gun battle with Pakistani forces near the Afghanistan border in October 2003.[/b]

and how is that being a bad guy?

lots of people get arrested in Egypt.

Americans kill Pakistani's all the time.

This equates to "big deal"

He raised money for charity and fought against the soviets during the cold war, sounds heroic to me.

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[Guest Peeves]

"Ahmed Said Khadr

Born in Egypt, Omar Khadr's father moved to Canada in 1977, where he met and married Maha Elsamnah.

You can't use that it was a US interest.

Sounds noble to me.

Innocent until proven guilty.

and how is that being a bad guy?

lots of people get arrested in Egypt.

Americans kill Pakistani's all the time.

This equates to "big deal"

He raised money for charity and fought against the soviets during the cold war, sounds heroic to me.

Ok then.....and `Twas brillig, and the slithy toves. Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe.

That's equatable to your increasingly obdurate position of denial. You have the Khadrs over to dine and enjoy yourself with these heroic and patriotic al Qeada supporters.

[login]

Ok then.....and `Twas brillig, and the slithy toves. Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe.

That's equatable to your increasingly obdurate position of denial. You have the Khadrs over to dine and enjoy yourself with these heroic and patriotic al Qeada supporters.

Its just politics on the face of it the guy wasn't a bad guy. His only issue in a western context was that he was with 'the enemy'.

You don't need to hate 'the enemy' or demonize them on false grounds to fight them.

Try to be real you will find it lets you live in 'the real world' rather than one that is fabricated and filled with potholes which will ruin your car, and spoil your drive.

If you don't stick to the truth you will go off course.

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[Guest Peeves]

thanks for the advice, I cut and pasted it right next to where I put my mistletoe.

BTW Khadrs are the scum that give immigrants a bad name. The sis is sad she can't be a suicide bomber/martyr. We need more of that vermin,.

[jacee]

thanks for the advice, I cut and pasted it right next to where I put my mistletoe.

BTW Khadrs are the scum that give immigrants a bad name. The sis is sad she can't be a suicide bomber/martyr. We need more of that vermin,.

It's not appropriate to refer to any human being as "vermin".

[Signals.Cpl]

It's not appropriate to refer to any human being as "vermin".

Luckily he is not referring to any human beings... just the Khadrs...

[jacee]

Luckily he is not referring to any human beings... just the Khadrs...

You do know that such comment can just as easily be turned on you? Edited December 14, 2012 by jacee

[Signals.Cpl]

You do know that such comment can just as easily be turned on you?

To me they are not human beings they are less than dirt and it’s that plain and simple. They have shown no regard for any western lives, they come to Canada get citizenship and use that citizenship as a get out of jail free card twice already plus for the healthcare as well... They don’t see any of us as human being why should we give them the honor of being our equal?

Do you think that they will think twice if they had a chance to kill you and your entire family for their cause if they could do so without any repercussions? No matter how much you support them as long as you are one of us and us is a wide definition of those in the west you are the enemy, a useful tool but still an enemy.

[guyser]

they come to Canada get citizenship and use that citizenship as a get out of jail free card twice already plus for the healthcare as well...

Hmm....check some of your facts.

Canadians kill canadians too. I dont worry about that either.

[GostHacked]

Ok then.....and `Twas brillig, and the slithy toves. Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe.

That's equatable to your increasingly obdurate position of denial. You have the Khadrs over to dine and enjoy yourself with these heroic and patriotic al Qeada supporters.

What about the Al-queda terrorists NATO is helping with arms and funding? Libya, Tunisia, Egypt, and now Syria.

[Hudson Jones]

That's because when Omar Khadr's name comes up its usually attended with an appeal to give all our attention to some notion that a soldier was murdered as opposed to killed, in a battle, in a war, where people, even the putative good guys, are normally expected to be killed - than the fact that our country denied a Canadian child his charter rights - a child that was allegedly being tortured and having other war crimes committed against him by our allies. The real issue is we've, well people like you and our government I should say, have gone to some really extreme lengths to excuse, minimize and diminish that fact.

Just like you're doing, again, with this pathetic thread and it's weepy pity-the-poor-dead-American/Nato/Canadian-soldiers-shtick, I'm afraid they're nothing compared to what our governments have been doing to this poor kid and his name. I don't know about anyone else but I'd be extremely ashamed to be held up as an excuse that was intended to diminish or minimize that.

Well said. I just don't understand the selective and emotional outburst by people like peeves that are so void of facts and logic. Then, when it's spelled out for them, they respond with a stare and a return to the same illogical outburst.

[Guest]

It's not appropriate to refer to any human being as "vermin".

Sure it is. They are legion. Just look at today's event.

[Bonam]

Sure it is. They are legion. Just look at today's event.

What events? You mean the school shooting? In Canada no doubt the poor misunderstood shooter (if he didn't kill himself) would have been found "not criminally responsible" and released in a couple years when a psychologist arbitrarily decided he's "no longer a risk".

"The term "genocide" did not exist before 1944. It is a very specific term, referring to violent crimes committed against groups with the intent to destroy the existence of the group."

I stated that I would not commit genocide simply due to association, that is religion, ethnicity etc.. but support genocide in specific circumstances as a means to humane resolution of more servere circumstances that place a greater harm to human rights.

Ah yes, genocide as a humane solution for the greater good of human rights. Makes total sense

[Signals.Cpl]

Hmm....check some of your facts.

Canadians kill canadians too. I dont worry about that either.

His dad came to Canada and used his citizenship as a get out of jail free card, his sons although born here are just using Canada for the same kinds of reasons...get out of jail free card and free healthcare... I doubt any of those animals have ever worked a day in their life that has in some even small and significant way benefited Canada.

Canadians kill Canadians but few "Canadians" would like to kill all Canadians that don't believe in their bullshit. Thankfully nature and their own stupidity and ignorance is taking them out of the gene pool one by one...