Sleipnir Posted December 1, 2012 Report Posted December 1, 2012 Bigfoot is real, says a new genetics study out of the U.S. And not only that, but the creature known as the Sasquatch is the result of human women mating with an “unknown hominin” species about 15,000 years ago. “The genome sequencing shows that Sasquatch mtDNA is identical to modern Homo sapiens, but Sasquatch nuDNA is a novel, unknown hominin related to Homo sapiens and other primate species,” said team leader veterinarian Dr. Melba S. Ketchum in a news release. “Our data indicate that the North American Sasquatch is a hybrid species, the result of males of an unknown hominin species crossing with female Homo sapiens.” http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/11/28/bigfoot-real-and-the-result-of-human-women-mating-with-an-unknown-hominin-claims-u-s-study/ Any thoughts? Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
WWWTT Posted December 1, 2012 Report Posted December 1, 2012 As long as they are given equal rights and not treated as lab rats then I believe everyone can move forward with a more acceptable understanding of humanity. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Pliny Posted December 1, 2012 Report Posted December 1, 2012 (edited) Bigfoot is real, says a new genetics study out of the U.S. And not only that, but the creature known as the Sasquatch is the result of human women mating with an “unknown hominin” species about 15,000 years ago. “The genome sequencing shows that Sasquatch mtDNA is identical to modern Homo sapiens, but Sasquatch nuDNA is a novel, unknown hominin related to Homo sapiens and other primate species,” said team leader veterinarian Dr. Melba S. Ketchum in a news release. “Our data indicate that the North American Sasquatch is a hybrid species, the result of males of an unknown hominin species crossing with female Homo sapiens.” http://news.national...aims-u-s-study/ Any thoughts? The studies have not gone through scientific scrutiny yet. Any thoughts? Edited December 1, 2012 by Pliny Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
Bonam Posted December 1, 2012 Report Posted December 1, 2012 I for one will wait for the actual study to be published. In my experience, the vast majority of "science reporting" is complete garbage and utterly distorts the studies in question. Quote
Sleipnir Posted December 1, 2012 Author Report Posted December 1, 2012 The studies have not gone through scientific scrutiny yet. Any thoughts? It was currently undergoing review by other scientists but the story got leaked. Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
wyly Posted December 1, 2012 Report Posted December 1, 2012 It was currently undergoing review by other scientists but the story got leaked. that NP link wasn't very objective, I read other reports that included reports from highly skeptical genetic experts...until they reveal their dna source and other relevant details this just tabloid news.... archeologists can find remains of long extinct species of man, the occasional unknown tribe deep in some rain forest but no one can find a living or dead Sasquatch...it's all a bit hard to believe... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
jbg Posted December 1, 2012 Report Posted December 1, 2012 As long as they are given equal rights and not treated as lab rats then I believe everyone can move forward with a more acceptable understanding of humanity. Should they be given the protection of HRC's? Or perhaps given observer status at the U.N.? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
WWWTT Posted December 1, 2012 Report Posted December 1, 2012 Should they be given the protection of HRC's? Or perhaps given observer status at the U.N.? I do not know? I personally feel that there are distant human relatives currently walking on the face of the Earth,and they deserve the same rights as us.(Hobbit man from the Indonesia area is another example) However if they choose to live the same way as always and not live as we do,they should not be poorly treated. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
jbg Posted December 1, 2012 Report Posted December 1, 2012 (edited) However if they choose to live the same way as always and not live as we do,they should not be poorly treated. The question is do they deserve their own state? Shouldn't they get equal rights to the Palestinians? Edited December 1, 2012 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jacee Posted December 1, 2012 Report Posted December 1, 2012 (edited) I for one will wait for the actual study to be published. In my experience, the vast majority of "science reporting" is complete garbage and utterly distorts the studies in question. I'll await peer review too. The author's demand that they be declared"Indigenous people" seems quite premature, suspect for a scientist. Having said that though, I do believe that Sasquatch exists, and explains other discoveries: Giants of Ohio and the Mound Builders Giants of North America Whether they are 'homo erectus', or same mixed with homo sapiens, or something else I don't know. The earth still contains many secrets ... and some of them are intentionally hidden. I don't believe that every species along the evolutionary trail totally disappeared without a trace, the simplistic story we're fed. I think traces exist among us, DNA and otherwise. Edited December 1, 2012 by jacee Quote
Sleipnir Posted December 1, 2012 Author Report Posted December 1, 2012 The question is do they deserve their own state? Shouldn't they get equal rights to the Palestinians? Must you bring the issues of Palestinians into the thread of DNA? Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
cybercoma Posted December 1, 2012 Report Posted December 1, 2012 Dr. Ketchum? A vet? Really? If this isn't a hoax, I'll be shocked. The name is hilarious. It sounds like a story from The Onion. Quote
Sleipnir Posted December 1, 2012 Author Report Posted December 1, 2012 If this isn't a hoax, I'll be shocked. The name is hilarious. It sounds like a story from The Onion. I was thinking the same thing about The Onion Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
cybercoma Posted December 1, 2012 Report Posted December 1, 2012 Digging deeper some sites are saying the study was released "without the data." Haha. Sounds like MSM has been had. Quote
wyly Posted December 1, 2012 Report Posted December 1, 2012 (edited) I'll await peer review too. The author's demand that they be declared"Indigenous people" seems quite premature, suspect for a scientist. Having said that though, I do believe that Sasquatch exists, and explains other discoveries: Giants of Ohio and the Mound Builders Giants of North America Whether they are 'homo erectus', or same mixed with homo sapiens, or something else I don't know. The earth still contains many secrets ... and some of them are intentionally hidden. I don't believe that every species along the evolutionary trail totally disappeared without a trace, the simplistic story we're fed. I think traces exist among us, DNA and otherwise. mound builders story is poo.. extensive archeological work.they have long been identified as native aboriginals no mystery there...I can remain open minded on Sasquatch despite zero evidence but for a "living" species of hominid to remain absolutely hidden in N America without even a solitary bone fragment is really stretching belief...even the tiny claimed extinct black footed ferret was eventually rediscovered, but no one has spotted, shot, captured or come up with a single dead specimen of a 6-7ft hairy hominid? Edited December 3, 2012 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
jbg Posted December 2, 2012 Report Posted December 2, 2012 Must you bring the issues of Palestinians into the thread of DNA? The suggestion that a (probably) mythical animal should have "equal rights" (link) brought up that anology. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
BubberMiley Posted December 3, 2012 Report Posted December 3, 2012 I'm not sure, but I think jbg is making anti-semitic jokes again. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
WIP Posted December 3, 2012 Report Posted December 3, 2012 I heard about this story from the latest podcast episode of the Skeptics Guide To The Universe, where they talked over what is known about this story, and more important - what is not. If they have submitted their research to a scientific journal, nobody outside of this organization knows the details about crucial evidence, like where the DNA samples have been gathered from. Apparently, if they are claiming to have mtDNA, it would typically have to be hair samples if taken from a 15000 year old site. They say they have evidence of a human hybrid because nuclear DNA and mtDNA come from a modern human and a non-human hominid (I forget which was which). The DNA from the "hominid" may turn out to be from contamination of the site and not from the same animal that the mitochondrial DNA has been extracted from. And, it will have to wait until publication, why the other hominid would be called Bigfoot...how do they know anything about the characteristics of a giant mythical apeman who stalks the forests out west, and until now, has never left any physical samples for examination? We have been told that they had to jump the gun and make a press release before publication of their data because a Russian collaborator on the project had already gone to the media. It may turn out to be another 'Cold Fusion' story...referring to two actual scientists - Ponds and Fleischmann, who likely created a deliberate fraud with their cold fusion story that also was released to the press prior to publication and peer review. Could be the same type of story here! And one thing that would be similar regardless of their intentions, is that even after cold fusion failed, there remained a small cottage industry of true believers who kept on working and writing about cold fusion afterwards. That will be even more of an issue with Bigfoot...since Bigfoot already has a small entourage of true believers who run off into the woods every so often looking for evidence. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
wyly Posted December 4, 2012 Report Posted December 4, 2012 the bar is set very high for these types of claims...archeological sites with potential DNA today are like CSI crime scenes , archeologists working in sterile suits with masks, any potential cross contamination is avoided if the results of the dna tests are to be accepted... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
jbg Posted December 4, 2012 Report Posted December 4, 2012 I'm not sure, but I think jbg is making anti-semitic jokes again. Not at all. I'm saying that if sasquatches rate protection from discrimination, so do Palestinians. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
dre Posted December 4, 2012 Report Posted December 4, 2012 The question is do they deserve their own state? Shouldn't they get equal rights to the Palestinians? Should they be given the protection of HRC's? Or perhaps given observer status at the U.N.? Why dont you keep this moronic garbage in the dirt-farm-holy-land threads? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Guest Posted December 4, 2012 Report Posted December 4, 2012 (edited) Not at all. I'm saying that if sasquatches rate protection from discrimination, so do Palestinians. Wouldn't Sasquatches come under PETA? Or the SPCA? Edited December 4, 2012 by bcsapper Quote
dre Posted December 4, 2012 Report Posted December 4, 2012 (edited) Not at all. I'm saying that if sasquatches rate protection from discrimination, so do Palestinians. You arent saying anything at all... Complete waste of time and space. Edited December 4, 2012 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
The_Squid Posted December 4, 2012 Report Posted December 4, 2012 Not at all. I'm saying that if sasquatches rate protection from discrimination, so do Palestinians. Dehumanizing people.... That's how others justify horrible acts..... Quote
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