DogOnPorch Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 The Arabs played their so-called trump card. What did they expect? Finland to invade Israel? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 There are none in Gaza, but its nice to see you bring this up to avoid discussing the ones in the West Bank. Hey...I didn't write it. Nice try, though. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 Hey...I didn't write it. Nice try, though. So do you care to discuss the predicament that is the Jewish settlements in the West Bank? And the newly approved 3000 homes which seem to be a direct response to the UN recognized Palestinian statehood? You really seem bitter about them getting statehood. It shows in your posts. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) So do you care to discuss the predicament that is the Jewish settlements in the West Bank? And the newly approved 3000 homes which seem to be a direct response to the UN recognized Palestinian statehood? You really seem bitter about them getting statehood. It shows in your posts. Should I be happy a terrorist group is being rewarded for decades of terrorism? Edited November 30, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 Should I be happy a terrorist group is being rewarded for decades of terrorism? Care to answer the question with something intelligent? Your emotions are getting in the way. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 Care to answer the question with something intelligent? Your emotions are getting in the way. So what part of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade do you find the most moderate? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 So what part of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade do you find the most moderate? Still not hearing much of an explanation for the settlements. Oh well, I'll check back again tomorrow. Quote
Canuckistani Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 Ignore the man behind the curtain. Ignore the man behind the curtain. Quote
jacee Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 One thing is for sure: The way to peaceful coexistence is not through rehashing the past, but by taking steps toward a new future. Palestine has just done something to get to a new level above the muckraking. Israel's turn to do something constructive. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 Still not hearing much of an explanation for the settlements. Oh well, I'll check back again tomorrow. I'm not your puppet to command. You don't answer questions...but I'll keep asking them. So...Fatah's terror wing...what to do about them? Give them jobs at the Ramallah Dairy Queen? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 One thing is for sure: The way to peaceful coexistence is not through rehashing the past, but by taking steps toward a new future. Palestine has just done something to get to a new level above the muckraking. Israel's turn to do something constructive. That's wonderful. So what about the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade? A non-issue? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 So what part of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade do you find the most moderate? You are just demonstrating over and over again that you never want peace. We have the most moderate PA in history, but youre still just posting stupid cartoons about the past. You inventing a scenario in your head in which peace is completely impossible. After all, clearly Hamas isnt much hope at this point, after that all you need to do is post dumb picture and dismiss Fatah and there you have it! Nothing Abbas can possibly do with change anything. Like I said... you simply want the violence to continue. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Guest Peeves Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 http://fullcomment.n...s-of-statehood/ A few negatives Irwin Cotler expounds on. He has a pundit's grasp of middle east politics. He outlines his reasoning. I like the 'ring' of most all of his positions. In a word, President Abbas may well seek to invoke the International Criminal Court for politicized “lawfare” prosecutions against Israeli nationals First, such a unilateral Palestinian resolution would undermine existing and accepted international frameworks for peace, such as UN Security Council resolutions 242, 338, and 1850; the Roadmap for Peace; and various statements by the Quartet (the UN, the U.S., the European Union and Russia), all of which call for a mutually negotiated and agreed-upon resolution of the conflict while rejecting unilateralism. Second, it violates existing Israeli-Palestinian bilateral agreements, most notably the Oslo II agreements of September 28th 1995, which state that “neither side shall initiate or take any step that will change the status of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip pending the outcome of the Permanent Status negotiations” (Article 31). Simply put, Israel and the PLO undertook to resolve any disagreements through bilateral negotiation, and such a unilateral Palestinian resolution amounts to a material breach of this foundational undertaking. Third, the Israeli-Palestinian bilateral Interim Agreement was signed not only by Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization, but it was witnessed by the UN itself together with the EU, the Russian Federation, the U.S., Egypt and Norway. Accordingly, it would be highly inappropriate for such witnesses to now authorize a UN measure that would effectively violate this agreement, let alone the major resolutions of the UN Security Council and the Quartet itself. Fourth, the Palestinian resolution – and concomitant UN General Assembly vote – might well unravel the institutionalized legal and administrative framework that underpins existing Israeli-Palestinian relations, and which include bilateral arrangements in over 40 spheres of civilian activity, serving as a basis for economic, political, legal and security co-operation. Hamas continues to reject the basic requirements of the international community for the conferral of any legitimacy upon it Fifth, if such UN General Assembly recognition were to take place while Hamas is the ongoing authority in Gaza – and in control of Gazan territory and the Gazan people – it would effectively amount to recognition of Hamas itself. Yet Hamas is defined as a terrorist organization by Canada, the U.S. and European countries. Also, Hamas continues to reject the basic requirements of the international community for the conferral of any legitimacy upon it, such as Hamas recognizing Israel’s right to exist, forswearing terrorism and accepting previous international agreements. Sixth, and as a corollary, the Palestinian Authority does not yet meet the criteria spelled out under the 1993 Montevideo Convention for statehood, including a defined territory, effective government, and adherence to the rule of law. Indeed, a premature recognition of an “unripe” Palestinian state could have a prejudicial effect on other regional conflicts. Seventh, such premature and precipitous UN recognition might well have the effect, as President Obama and others have stated, of prejudicing, rather than enhancing, Palestinian rights and Palestinians’ legitimate claim to statehood; also, it might well generate false expectations that will not be realized, with Palestinians’ aspirations being frustrated rather than fulfilled. Eighth, the Palestinian resolution purports to presuppose, and prejudge, the outcome of negotiations on such critical issues as borders and the status of Jerusalem, which were to be decided in direct negotiations between the parties. Indeed, in President Abbas’ UN address of September 27th 2012 – and in his comments since – he spoke of “the realization of the independence of the State of Palestine, with East Jerusalem as its capital, over the entire territory occupied by Israel since 1967.” Ninth, by Abbas’ own acknowledgement, the Palestinian Authority is seeking Observer State status not so much to solve the conflict, as for the “internationalization of the conflict as a legal matter, not only as a political one.” In a word, President Abbas may well seek to invoke the International Criminal Court for politicized “lawfare” prosecutions against Israeli nationals, an adversarial initiative inimical to a peace process organized around bilateral negotiations. Accordingly, only an immediate return to direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians – and one based on the principle of mutual recognition of two states for two peoples – will invite the establishment of the just and lasting peace that we all seek. Indeed, it would be the supreme irony if the UN General Assembly were to circumvent the legal and political imperatives of direct negotiations leading to such an outcome precisely on the 65th anniversary of its earlier UN partition resolution, which the Arab leadership rejected then, and the Palestinian leadership, regrettably, is undermining now. National Post Irwin Cotler is MP for Mount Royal and a former minister of justice and attorney general of Canada. He is emeritus professor of law at McGill university and has taught and written widely on the Middle East conflict. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 You are just demonstrating over and over again that you never want peace. We have the most moderate PA in history, but youre still just posting stupid cartoons about the past. You inventing a scenario in your head in which peace is completely impossible. After all, clearly Hamas isnt much hope at this point, after that all you need to do is post dumb picture and dismiss Fatah and there you have it! Nothing Abbas can possibly do with change anything. Like I said... you simply want the violence to continue. So, I ask again...since this is moderate Fatah we're making new lies about. What should be done with the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade and their ilk? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 One thing is for sure: The way to peaceful coexistence is not through rehashing the past, but by taking steps toward a new future. Palestine has just done something to get to a new level above the muckraking. Israel's turn to do something constructive. ??? What did Palestine do? - I must have missed it. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 Care to answer the question with something intelligent? Your emotions are getting in the way. By "something intelligent" without "emotions getting in the way," do you mean something like .... this? I really wanted to see a nice ground war where Israel flattens Gaza. Maybe a nice full out all cards in final battle to the death will resolve this conflict that has been going on longer than I have been alive.Let's get it ON!!!!! WOOO!!!! I want war porn, and I want it now! Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 By "something intelligent" without "emotions getting in the way," do you mean something like .... this? It's just the usual tactic of character assassination. That way they can ignore the facts like the origin of the cause, the Nazi connection, the terrorism, the Holocaust denial...especially from Abbas. Etc, etc... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
wyly Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 Plus why the hell would anyone negotiate a two state solution with a political party (Likud) that has this in their constitution... “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel’s existence, security and national needs” the zionist equivalent of Hamas not recognizing israel...it's apartheid/bantustans repeated...and who was founder of likud? Menachem Begin, a confirmed terrorist/murderer , the pro zionist crowd is selectively blind and hypocritical.... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
DogOnPorch Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 the zionist equivalent of Hamas not recognizing israel...it's apartheid/bantustans repeated...and who was founder of likud? Menachem Begin, a confirmed terrorist/murderer , the pro zionist crowd is selectively blind and hypocritical.... Yet he and Sadat made the best peace the ME had seen in...well...decades. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
wyly Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) http://fullcomment.n...s-of-statehood/ A few negatives Irwin Cotler expounds on. He has a pundit's grasp of middle east politics. He outlines his reasoning. I like the 'ring' of most all of his positions. [/i] cotler and you advocate progress as usual, in other words doing nothing, letting israel continue on it's illegal theft of land, permanent occupation subjugation of palestinians...six and a half decades of standing by and watching while Palestinians are dispossessed... Edited December 1, 2012 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Hudson Jones Posted December 1, 2012 Author Report Posted December 1, 2012 ??? What did Palestine do? - I must have missed it. This isn't a 50/50 situation. Israel must follow international law and allow a Palestinian State, instead of annexing more Palestinian land. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Bonam Posted December 1, 2012 Report Posted December 1, 2012 All you need to do is look in Likuds charter to see why they build them... “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.” The lack of applicability and outdatedness of this quote is obvious, as illustrated by the reference to Gaza. Quote
BC_chick Posted December 1, 2012 Report Posted December 1, 2012 The lack of applicability and outdatedness of this quote is obvious, as illustrated by the reference to Gaza. Well apparently Mufti is still speaking for Palestinians so I don't know. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Guest American Woman Posted December 1, 2012 Report Posted December 1, 2012 This isn't a 50/50 situation. Israel must follow international law and allow a Palestinian State, instead of annexing more Palestinian land. So I take it you don't have an answer to my question either? Quote
Hudson Jones Posted December 1, 2012 Author Report Posted December 1, 2012 The lack of applicability and outdatedness of this quote is obvious, as illustrated by the reference to Gaza. Really Bonam? Israel moves to build 3,000 new settlement homes JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel responded swiftly Friday to U.N. recognition of a Palestinian state, revealing it will build 3,000 more homes for Jews on Israeli-occupied lands that the world body overwhelmingly said belong to the Palestinians. The plans also include future construction in a strategic area of the West Bank where critics have long warned that Jewish settlements would kill hopes for a viable Palestinian state. Israel's moves served as a harsh reminder to Palestinians — euphoric over the U.N. upgrade — that while they now have a state on paper, most of it remains very much under Israeli control. "This is a doomsday scenario," Daniel Seidemann of Ir Amim, a group that promotes coexistence in Jerusalem, said of the building plans. Israel's decision was bound to embarrass the United States, which was among just nine countries in the 193-member General Assembly to vote against accepting Palestine as a nonmember observer state. Link Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
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