Rob Ford Turfed ?

[Fletch 27]

And do they sit on that money or do they waste it? Yes.. they waste it.... Rob has saved millions just with privitizing a simple Garbage collection route... You simply do not understand what financial commitments are..

[guyser]

Broke? Not even close.

FINANCE 101!

I wonder if some will start challenging the fact the sun rises in the east.

[wyly]

Most on the right are saying how stupid Ford was to let it get o this point. And plenty of those are also saying he best not run again because even though he had support, he has proven too stupid to be the Mayor.

Youd be wise to listen to those ones.

I see ford on tv all too often and it never seems to be for anything good, he's one continuous train wreak, what were people thinking when they voted for him...

and then I think about who my mayor is and realize just how lucky we are in calgary...

Edited November 27, 2012 by wyly

[Guest Peeves]

Ford is not the brightest bulb on the shelf, but I believe he's honest which Miller sure as hell (garbage negotiations) wasn't.

At least his open agenda was for fiscal responsibility. Looking at other (many!) politicians, I'd lean to Ford.

Edited November 27, 2012 by Peeves

[Black Dog]

And do they sit on that money or do they waste it? Yes.. they waste it.... Rob has saved millions just with privitizing a simple Garbage collection route... You simply do not understand what financial commitments are..

I love being lectured about finance by an illiterate.

[Guest Peeves]

I wonder if some will start challenging the fact the sun rises in the east.

Well If you said it I'd certainly have doubts....

[guyser]

And do they sit on that money or do they waste it? Yes.. they waste it.... Rob has saved millions just with privitizing a simple Garbage collection route... You simply do not understand what financial commitments are..

Fletch, best stop.

You are embarassing yourself by telling others what they apparently dont understand and then its obvious you are the clueless money manager around here.

Clue #1- If there is surplus money, that means good and the bills are paid

Clue #2- If savings are further garnered (ie garbage) that adds to the bottom line but does not negate Point #1.

Not to mention $292M is less of a surplus than $367M. Thats just Gr 1 math.

[Fletch 27]

The socialist Calculator at work... "We aint broke if i still can get money"!!

Typical...

[Fletch 27]

Yes, the greeks aint broke either right.... Still getting other peopls money.... Its folks like you guys who are the burder for the rest of us all

[guyser]

I see ford on tv all too often and it never seems to be for anything good, he's one continuous train wreak, what were people thinking when they voted for him...

I wanted a two part vote, Get Ford in to shake things up.....then have another smart guy take over.

Couldnt so I voted this embarassment into office.

and then I think about who my mayor is and realize just how lucky we are in calgary...

Yup

Seems like that guy knows whats going on.

[guyser]

.... Its folks like you guys who are the burder for the rest of us all

As has been demonstrated time and again, it s Toronto that pays for your lifes luxuries so please, dont be hatin' just cuz your tax base cant afford the things you people in Halton (and around the Prov) want.

Your welcome but please, this is geting tiresome, we in Toronto are always saying your wwelcome . Sigh, the hardship of being a rich city.

[Black Dog]

The socialist Calculator at work... "We aint broke if i still can get money"!!

Typical...

If you can get money, you aren't broke. That's just, like, just the normal definition of not being broke.

[Fletch 27]

If you can get money, you aren't broke. That's just, like, just the normal definition of not being broke.

Typical.. But you proved my point...

[bjre]

This incident shows clearly that so called "democracy" is a lie. If Ford is elected by people, one judger with one randomly picked guy is more than enough to let him left the office.

Obviously you don't understand democracy. One judge and one random person is not enough to turf him from office. You need an entire Legislative Assembly of democratically elected representatives voting and passing legislation first. Sorry you don't understand how democracy, the judiciary, or politics works, but Ford was democratically removed from office.

How many laws are there in Canada, how many content can you tell me? Most people don't know, even just the number. If people don't know it, how do you know if they support or object it?

For the "democratically elected representatives", we all know those people are there just because voters thought their rivals are even worse. How can those people "represent" you? How many laws they passed each year, how many did they ask for your opinion? how many do you know exactly what is the purpose, what is the side-effect, what is the risk when it is abused? How many people know that? When someone try to use those laws, that you have no idea when and for what the law is there for who's interest, to attack you, you are always going to be said to break it which represent yourself. "Democracy"? just a beautiful joke.

[Black Dog]

Typical.. But you proved my point...

That you are financially as well as functionally illiterate? Nah son, you did that all yourself!

[Fletch 27]

That you are financially as well as functionally illiterate? Nah son, you did that all yourself!

The millions in the US had the same idea as juuuuuuust prior to the housing collapse.. Borrow borrow borrow well beyond your means and spend spend spend...

Yup, Im VERRRY financially litterate... No debt here.. Pappy!

[Guest Peeves]

Most on the right are saying how stupid Ford was to let it get o this point. And plenty of those are also saying he best not run again because even though he had support, he has proven too stupid to be the Mayor.

Youd be wise to listen to those ones.

Not entirely true.Many are up in arms over this (political) ruling. It may end up serving both Ford and tarring the left leaning opponents since the degree of sentence is considered extreme. Personally I think Ford and cohorts should have been aware and prepared for such attack and avoided even the scent of impropriety. I've been in situations as he was where I was attuned to the threat of those with an ax to grind. It was dumb of him to provide an opportunity in the circumstance. The dust hasn't settled yet, like others, he may end up in a winning situation. I know I would have little respect for those using such an excuse as a weapon. The fault was picayune. The attack using such a trivial matter was typical politically motivated.

Everyone knows that wants to, that he was doing what he did for kids, not for himself, not for gain, and the dirty little cowards used that of all things to 'Get Him."

"Ryerson student, near-lifelong left-leaning activist," was the agitator.

http://sgnews.ca/blo...-fords-downfall

In the wake of Mayor Rob Ford’s stunning ouster from office on Monday, someone started a “Thank You Paul Magder” group on Facebook.

The group would have more aptly been called Thank You Adam Chaleff-Freudenthaler.

Magder, a businessman, was the Average Joe face of the lawsuit that brought Ford down. Celebrated lawyer Clayton Ruby tried the case pro bono. But it was Chaleff-Freudenthaler — labour relations professional, Ryerson student, near-lifelong left-leaning activist, canny observer of City Hall procedure, 28 years old on Wednesday — who set the wheels in motion from the shadows.

Ontario Superior Court Justice Charles Hackland found Ford breached the province’s conflict of interest law when he voted in February to excuse himself from paying back a total of $3,150 to lobbyists whose donations to his football foundation he improperly accepted.

Edited November 27, 2012 by Peeves

[Boges]

This thread has gotten really idiotic in the hour or so I've been gone.

[Black Dog]

The millions in the US had the same idea as juuuuuuust prior to the housing collapse.. Borrow borrow borrow well beyond your means and spend spend spend...

Yup, Im VERRRY financially litterate... No debt here.. Pappy!

I already pointed out Toronto's overall debt is well in hand for a city its size, so it's not a big deal. And Ford's own "core service review" revealed little in the way of wasteful spending. Reality is, it costs a lot to keep a city of 4 million people running and it's only going to get more expensive as we start to see infrastructure break down. Socking money under a mattress isn't a viable approach to governance.

[guyser]

Not entirely true.Many are up in arms over this (political) ruling.

True and not, all at the same time. Upset he let this happen, upset he could be so stupid. Upset that its polictical? No, only those who wont face the truth of this feel that way.

The fault was picayune. The attack using such a trivial matter was typical politically motivated.

Everyone knows that wants to, that he was doing what he did for kids, not for himself, not for gain, and the dirty little cowards used that of all things to 'Get Him."

"Ryerson student, near-lifelong left-leaning activist," was the agitator.

http://sgnews.ca/blo...-fords-downfall

Which ignores entirely the reason he was booted.

Not one single person had an issue with raising funds for the charity.

Most, if not all, were willing to overlook the transgression of City help, logo+letterhead

But Ford just couldnt see that voting and talking about this was the issue.

[Big Guy]

Rob Ford has two more trials pending. There is still plenty of fodder, amusement and headlines coming for the pundits. Many people never believed that he had the capacity to complete a full 4 year term. They have been proven to be correct. If you have ever heard him speak you would realize that he is not a very good speaker, does not express himself very well and is basically a puppet for his brother – he is the one with the hand up Rob’s back. Rob Ford is a well meaning buffoon who just does not understand the reality of governing. He is now a tragic figure becoming more tragic with every ill conceived utterance. The parachutes are opening as the officers of the good ship “Ford Nation” abandon this self destructive egoist. The sooner he goes the better for Toronto. I believe that the right person for the job has always been John Tory. John is too moderate for the right wingers (and got elbowed out by the Hudak crowd), too pragmatic for the left wing crowd, a fiscal expert in his own right and an excellent manager and compromising leader. He could pull that council together.

The problem with John is that he is too intelligent for the job. He could be (and has been) successful in so many different endeavors that he is probably not interested in the position.

I agree with those who say that “The mere fact that someone is interested in being mayor of Toronto should disqualify them since they obviously do not understand the job.” I think John Tory understands the job and that is why he would have to be pressured into doing it.

Edited November 27, 2012 by Big Guy

[Guest Peeves]

True and not, all at the same time. Upset he let this happen, upset he could be so stupid. Upset that its polictical? No, only those who wont face the truth of this feel that way.

Which ignores entirely the reason he was booted.

Not one single person had an issue with raising funds for the charity.

Most, if not all, were willing to overlook the transgression of City help, logo+letterhead

But Ford just couldnt see that voting and talking about this was the issue.

Ignores nothing. The entire issue should have been just simply dropped. That it was pushed was clearly for political agenda, and not because of the very minor issue which even the judge blasted.

I'm not denying he was breaking a law, I simply maintain that the pursuant actions were unnecessary UNLESS you had an agenda and this picayune issue served your purpose. Just dropping it in council was the right thing to do since there was no untoward purpose in Ford's fund raising of a few dollars as he did. The cowardly stench is attached to whoever made this an unnecessary cause celebre over a issue of peanuts and good intention.

Edited November 27, 2012 by Peeves

[guyser]

Ignores nothing. The entire issue should have been just simply dropped.

Council did vote not to accept the report from the Integrity lady.

That it was pushed was clearly for political agenda,

Not by anyone on council.

.

I'm not denying he was breaking a law, I simply maintain that the pursuant actions were unnecessary UNLESS you had an agenda and this picayune issue served your purpose. Just dropping it in council was the right thing to do since there was no untoward purpose in Ford's fund raising of a few dollars as he did. The cowardly stench is attached to whoever made this an unnecessary cause celebre over a issue of peanuts and good intention.

The guy had something against Ford.

Ford walked right into the lair.

Ford practically begged the Judge to convict him. Know his words-"A stubborn sense of entitlement"

Look, if you were my enemy , and I left a shotgun at your feet , would it be correct to assume I could say you werent playing fair because you picked up that shotgun?.............

OR.....

Am I a dumbass for leaving a gun and shells out for you?

[Guest Peeves]

Rob Ford has two more trials pending. There is still plenty of fodder, amusement and headlines coming for the pundits. Many people never believed that he had the capacity to complete a full 4 year term. They have been proven to be correct. If you have ever heard him speak you would realize that he is not a very good speaker, does not express himself very well and is basically a puppet for his brother – he is the one with the hand up Rob’s back. Rob Ford is a well meaning buffoon who just does not understand the reality of governing. He is now a tragic figure becoming more tragic with every ill conceived utterance. The parachutes are opening as the officers of the good ship “Ford Nation” abandon this self destructive egoist. The sooner he goes the better for Toronto. I believe that the right person for the job has always been John Tory. John is too moderate for the right wingers (and got elbowed out by the Hudak crowd), too pragmatic for the left wing crowd, a fiscal expert in his own right and an excellent manager and compromising leader. He could pull that council together.

The problem with John is that he is too intelligent for the job. He could be (and has been) successful in so many different endeavors that he is probably not interested in the position.

I agree with those who say that “The mere fact that someone is interested in being mayor of Toronto should disqualify them since they obviously do not understand the job.” I think John Tory understands the job and that is why he would have to be pressured into doing it.

I pretty much agree on the Tory observations. I don't on Ford. You skipped the honest politician part of his character. He is a better mayor than those crooks we have been reading about.A better mayor than the lying lefty he replaced, a better mayor than some Toronto has had, and his minor fault here are minuscule compared to some like Hazel's support of her son,. I think he would be a pretty good mayor as it shakes out. Not brilliant, but honest and dedicated. Unfortunately those are seldom attributes that get you elected or keep you in office. Look to Quebec or London's mayor Fontana.

[Guest Peeves]

Council did vote not to accept the report from the Integrity lady.

Not by anyone on council.

The guy had something against Ford.

Ford walked right into the lair.

Ford practically begged the Judge to convict him. Know his words-"A stubborn sense of entitlement"

Look, if you were my enemy , and I left a shotgun at your feet , would it be correct to assume I could say you werent playing fair because you picked up that shotgun?.............

OR.....

Am I a dumbass for leaving a gun and shells out for you?

Where did i disagree with what Ford walked into.