Justin remind Albertans why they don't vote Liberal

[blueblood]

he only said what many people think...albertans think they can run canada better than anyone else, the difference being they don't say it publicly it's naive to think the cpc doesn't have an alberta/west agenda...albertan voting record shows they only care about themselves so why should other national parties care what albertans think...now if we had a PR system electing liberals, ndp then the picture changes the other political parties have an interest in what albertans have to say...

i'm not a liberal voter a trudeau supporter or from quebec and I'm not offended by trudeau's comments it's a non issue with me, political not a wise to thing to say by him but no worse than said by many others from all parties, it'll fade away over time...

Except that Alberta was well run. Klein fixed alberta's books on 20 dollar oil and a weak dollar. All one needs to do is look at alberta's books. You don't last 40 years in govt without doing something right.

[The_Squid]

Dissing Albertans will get you more votes in BC.... not less.

[BC_chick]

Nothing irks me more than Trudeau dismissing the video as a 'smear campaign' without addressing his statement either by 'clarification' (I don't see how that video can be any more clarified) or apologizing.

I didn't see what the big deal was. He wasn't saying anything untrue.

[Guest]

Dissing Albertans will get you more votes in BC.... not less.

I imagine it will get you more votes anywhere but in Alberta.

Edited November 23, 2012 by bcsapper

[BC_chick]

Dissing Albertans will get you more votes in BC.... not less.

Agreed. In fact, dissing Alberta doesn't lose you votes anywhere in Canada... other than Alberta where it's a moot point anyway.

Edited November 23, 2012 by BC_chick

[Sleipnir]

In the midst of a Liberal rebirth...they start shooting themselves in the foot more often than not.

A summary of 5 Liberal blunders in 7 days.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/horrible-week-liberal-party-172305523.html

[Sleipnir]

Agreed. In fact, dissing Alberta doesn't lose you votes in anywhere in Canada... other than Alberta where it's a moot point anyway.

Its the hyper-partisan message that irks me and people are getting sick of it.

[Guest]

I didn't see what the big deal was. He wasn't saying anything untrue.

It's true that Canada belongs to Quebec? Or to the Liberals? Which one is true?

Or is it both?

[dre]

Really, for somebody with no ideas and nothing to bank on except his pretty face - there is nothing but politics for us to discuss here. He seems to be pretty bad at it thus far. I remember the 90s when the Liberals could easily trip up the Reform and laugh all the way to their next majority government. Now the Tories are doing it.

The Liberals` traditional turf is exactly what people need now - middle of the road balancing of [perceived] sound fiscal policy with people-focused social policy and programs. Instead of banking on that they are trying for a quick win with this young princely inheritor.

Trudeau should fail if our system works at all. And if he does that would make three in a row.

A quick win? Theyve been out of power for most of a decade. They have tried a number of traditional styled leaders, and they did not do well, so now it looks like they might give a shot at it to an up and coming young star. This worked ok for the democrats in the US...

And none of this means that the Liberals are not banking on peoples desire for "middle of the road balancing of [perceived] sound fiscal policy with people-focused social policy and programs". Thats still exactly what they are banking on.

[Sleipnir]

A quick win? Theyve been out of power for most of a decade. They have tried a number of traditional styled leaders, and they did not do well, so now it looks like they might give a shot at it to an up and coming young star. This worked ok for the democrats in the US...

A decade? Weren't the Liberals out of power for six years?

[Guest]

And none of this means that the Liberals are not banking on peoples desire for "middle of the road balancing of [perceived] sound fiscal policy with people-focused social policy and programs". Thats still exactly what they are banking on.

Isn't that exactly what we have now?

[The_Squid]

Isn't that exactly what we have now?

Nope. Far from it.

They took a balanced budget and made massive deficits... and before you blame the world economy, this government reduced revenues while claiming that it would drive growth. It didn't and now they have created a fiscal mess.

[The_Squid]

I didn't see what the big deal was. He wasn't saying anything untrue.

I don't think that he said it particularly eloquently. It wasn't the smartest comment.... but it wasn't as big of a deal as it is being made out to be.

Personally, I won't vote Liberal or Conservative. They are too similar. The Libs talk about the environment and social responsibility but don't govern that way.

[guyser]

It is 100% right. Quebec went from power broker to nothing. The myth that you need quebec to win or a PM from quebec to win has been blown out of the water.

100%...............

[Boges]

Nope. Far from it.

They took a balanced budget and made massive deficits... and before you blame the world economy, this government reduced revenues while claiming that it would drive growth. It didn't and now they have created a fiscal mess.

That's such BS. So had they not cut the GST 2% we'd be fine and dandy now?I guess if you have no problem with austerity if you think our deficit is a result of simple mismanagement then eh?

[BC_chick]

It's true that Canada belongs to Quebec? Or to the Liberals? Which one is true?

Or is it both?

In recent hisotry Liberals have been influential in Quebec and the CPC in Alberta. Common knowledge.

The only reason Harper et al don't say the same things about Quebec as Liberals do about Alberta is because Quebeckers do change their votes and the CPC can't afford to alienate them.

Otherwise, it's true, Alberta and Quebec both have way too much political clout and the LPC and CPC will pander to their base in stating obvious fact about Canadian politics.

Edited November 23, 2012 by BC_chick

[Guest]

Nope. Far from it.

They took a balanced budget and made massive deficits... and before you blame the world economy, this government reduced revenues while claiming that it would drive growth. It didn't and now they have created a fiscal mess.

That's certainly not what I see. The world economy sent pretty much every country into a downward spiral and Canada seems to me to have ridden it out far better than most. I'm not necessarily crediting Harper or the Conservatives with that. It stretches much further back than that. I'm crediting them with not messing with it, and the deficits were necessary to hold on to what we had.

I didn't see any major cutting of social programs either.

[Guest]

In recent hisotry Liberals have been influential in Quebec and the CPC does in Alberta. Common knowledge.

The only reason Harper et al don't say the same things about Quebec as Liberals do about Alberta is because Quebeckers do change their votes and the CPC can't afford to alienate them.

Otherwise, it's true, Alberta and Quebec both have way too much political clout and the LPC and CPC will pander to their base in stating obvious fact about Canadian politics.

Recent history is not the issue. The arrogance of the comments is the issue.

He went on to add:

“certainly when we look at the great prime ministers of the 20th century, those that really stood the test of time, they were MPs from Quebec. … This country — Canada — it belongs to us.”

Edited November 23, 2012 by bcsapper

[BC_chick]

I don't think that he said it particularly eloquently. It wasn't the smartest comment.... but it wasn't as big of a deal as it is being made out to be.

Personally, I won't vote Liberal or Conservative. They are too similar. The Libs talk about the environment and social responsibility but don't govern that way.

Justin is more of an environmentalist than the Chretien/Martin era and he's very socially liberal. I didn't vote Liberal in the last election but I would for JT.

[BC_chick]

Recent history is not the issue. The arrogance of the comments is the issue.

He went on to add:

And that's the quote you're taking out of context! Mulroney was named in that bunch. It's not about the Liberals, he was saying Quebec has created some of greatest leaders in recent history.

Which is true. They were all Quebeckers no matter which party they belonged to. Unless you think Kim Campbell was a great PM.

[Guest]

And that's the quote you're taking out of context! Mulroney was named in that bunch. It's not about the Liberals, he was saying Quebec has created some of greatest leaders in recent history.

Which is true. They were all Quebeckers no matter which party they belonged to. Unless you think Kim Campbell was a great PM.

But it's the "belongs to us" bit that matters. I could have just posted that without context, but that would have been silly.

[The_Squid]

That's such BS. So had they not cut the GST 2% we'd be fine and dandy now?I guess if you have no problem with austerity if you think our deficit is a result of simple mismanagement then eh?

The politics of it worked great on folks like yourself... but was a bad idea from an economic perspective.

Thus, as a simple calculation, that means Ottawa's deficit would have been $10 billion lower had the federal government not cut the national sales tax.

Recognizing that the Canadian economy changes each year, taking the GST revenue over a five-year period might give a better estimate of the tax's performance over time.

Using a five-year average, the federal per-point GST take is slightly more than $4 billion, implying that Ottawa is losing $8 billion by its previous sales tax cuts.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2009/06/16/f-gst-cut-estimate-deficit.html

[Topaz]

The reason why the Tories made this statement appear is the byelection is very close for the Libs and the Tories and so, its all about politics and they don't really care or they would have brought this up when he said it. Think people.

[Guest]

The reason why the Tories made this statement appear is the byelection is very close for the Libs and the Tories and so, its all about politics and they don't really care or they would have brought this up when he said it. Think people.

Well, that would always be the case regardless of which party brought up what about which politician. There's not much point in doing something without a reason. Obviously this is a good opportunity to show what JT really thinks about Alberta and Quebec. There's no reason not to bring it up.

[Boges]

The reason why the Tories made this statement appear is the byelection is very close for the Libs and the Tories and so, its all about politics and they don't really care or they would have brought this up when he said it. Think people.

Actually Sun News exposed it I believe. In 2010 Justin was also less relevant than he is now.