Justin remind Albertans why they don't vote Liberal

[Keepitsimple]

Good old Ezra - he's sometimes over the top but he more often than not gets it right. Trudeau's remarks have to be viewed in the context of Chretien's 3 majorities being won by winning ALL the seats in Ontari ans MOST in Quebec. Their strategy for clinging to power was entirely central Canada based - basically an Eastern Canada, regional party. With the backroom boys and all the MP's coming from there, everything they did was through the lens of maintaining that power. That's why they self-destructed so quickly - Once they started to lose their Central Canada base, they had nowhere to gain seats. A leopard doesn't change it's spots - these guys still view Canada through their Central Canada lens....and Trudeau and McGuinty are just two overt examples.

[August1991]

For fans of context, here’s the full interview – he plainly says:

"Canada doesn't work because Albertans are in charge"

http://lesfrancstire...?id=1

I watched that video several times. In fact, I recall watching the episode before this kerfuffle.

IMHO, Trudeau Jnr has said nothing controversial. Whether in or out of context, the far greater error is that he has simply repeated - without understanding - an original idea of his father: Trudeau père argued that the French of North America, French Canadians, had the right to go everywhere in this country: we discovered it; it was ours as much as it belonged to anyone else.

Trudeau fils bungled the idea. Justin mistakenly turned this idea of "Quebecers belonging in Canada" to "Albertans don't own Canada".

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As I have said here before, Justin Trudeau is a prediction of George Bernard Shaw: Justin inherited his father's looks and his mother brains.

Justin Trudeau is the Edward Kennedy of Canadian politics.

Edited November 26, 2012 by August1991

[punked]

As I have said here before, Justin Trudeau is a prediction of George Bernard Shaw: Justin inherited his father's looks and his mother brains.

It really is that simple and God help us should Margaret run the country.

Edited November 26, 2012 by punked

[BC_chick]

For fans of context, here’s the full interview – he plainly says:

"Canada doesn't work because Albertans are in charge"

http://lesfrancstire...nce.aspx?id=134

Even the NDP have a problem with J. Trudeau Jrs. mea culpa. I wonder why David McGuinty had to resign but not Trudeau.

http://cnews.canoe.c...3/20380266.html

He says he believes that Canada is going in the wrong direction and he further elaborates that it's because Alberta is currently controlling the socio-economic agenda.

Asked if he believes CANADA is better served when there are more Quebecers in power than Albertan he says, he's liberal therefore yes. He goes on to name the last few great PM's.

By naming Mulroney in the bunch it shows that the liberal reference to himself regarding Quebecers in power vs. Albertan is not Liberal but small l. IOW, he's saying Albertans are more conservative than the ROC (which is true) and Quebecers of all political stripes have done better while in power in this country.

As for the 'belonging to us' comment, within the context of the Albertan control of the current agenda and the country's lack of direction (according to JT), "Le Canada c'est a nous" is clearly in reference to shaping Canada into what it is today. Not literally belonging to Quebec.

I know this is really difficult to grasp for people who only speak one language but linguisticaly it's quite common. I came across the reverse when I was in Quebec where I could not speak my English thoughts into French word for word. It doesn't make sense.

While I understand why it would bother people, the whole thing is being blown way out of proportion.

I get what he's saying and I agree with him too.

And I certainly don't think Canada 'belongs' to Quebec.

[Hudson Jones]

Suddenly offended despite their views on Quebec and Quebec politicians.The selective sensitivity runs rampage.

[Spiderfish]

Trudeau's anti-alberta remark isn't going all that well in Quebec.

http://news.national...-quebec-either/

His "apology" was quite amusing, if not outright contradictory to his own behaviour. I was particularly interested in this line:

I think Canada is better off with a leader that chooses to bring people together, not play up insecurities and divisions and regional resentments any chance they can get.

Apparently he feels that Canada would be better off without a leader like him.

Edited December 1, 2012 by Spiderfish

[WWWTT]

Greg Scott,Toronto NDP MP has informed me that Justin was not even at the vote for the generic drug bill on Wednesday.Even though he was recently at an AIDS rally or something like that.

Apparently he wanted to attend a party instead of vote!

This guys a train wreck just itching to happen!

WWWTT

Edited December 1, 2012 by WWWTT

[cybercoma]

Of course he wasn't. Montréal is home to some of the biggest pharmaceutical companies in Canada. Nevertheless, Mulcair stood up against condemning children in Africa to death when they could easily be saved.

[Sleipnir]

Greg Scott,Toronto NDP MP has informed me that Justin was not even at the vote for the generic drug bill on Wednesday.Even though he was recently at an AIDS rally or something like that.

Apparently he wanted to attend a party instead of vote!

This guys a train wreck just itching to happen!

WWWTT

Trudeau announced that the gun registry an idea that never worked and was glad it died. Strangely enough, Trudeau fiercely defended the registry before it was culled by Harper.

What makes this ironic is that Trudeau claims the Liberal party needs policies based on facts not ideologies. But police forces across Canada was pleading for the government not to dismantle the registry.

Who do you think knows more about the efficiency of the gun registry, Justin or the police forces? So much for facts-based policies.

In my opinion, Trudeau is becoming the Canadian version of Mitt Romney when it comes to taking position on issues.

Edited December 3, 2012 by Sleipnir

[bush_cheney2004]

....In my opinion, Trudeau is becoming the Canadian version of Mitt Romney when it comes to taking position on issues.

OK...but this is a curious way to define a Canadian political leader.

[Sleipnir]

OK...but this is a curious way to define a Canadian political leader.

Well for Trudeau anyway. Perhaps the left wing Canadian version of Mitt Romney?

[WIP]

In my opinion, Trudeau is becoming the Canadian version of Mitt Romney when it comes to taking position on issues.

Exactly! I'll be the first to admit that I've been hardly paying any attention to this Liberal leadership race, but from what little I've read or watched, Justin has nothing in common with his father besides a surname! PET was a lousy politician in many respects, having to delegate the bulk of the mundane duties of governing to high ranking cabinet ministers. Fortunately for Trudeau Sr., while the Liberals were the naturally governing party at the federal level, they had no shortage of qualified cabinet ministers who could run the government by themselves, while the PM dealt with more high-minded issues.

Trudeau Jr. would have to do the work of running a government himself. And, as you have noted, while Sr. was a natural leftist who quit the NDP and joined the Liberal Party for the practical purpose of becoming Prime Minister, and freely adopted every NDP policy idea offered in public; Jr. is a child of privilege, steeped in all of the Neoliberal/Neocon B.S. of the Conservatives. He will track to the right (just like Obama down south) as will every other one of those leadership hopefuls....except for one...but I forget what his name is, and he likely doesn't have a great deal of chance winning the nomination anyway!

[Newfoundlander]

Exactly! I'll be the first to admit that I've been hardly paying any attention to this Liberal leadership race, but from what little I've read or watched, Justin has nothing in common with his father besides a surname! PET was a lousy politician in many respects, having to delegate the bulk of the mundane duties of governing to high ranking cabinet ministers. Fortunately for Trudeau Sr., while the Liberals were the naturally governing party at the federal level, they had no shortage of qualified cabinet ministers who could run the government by themselves, while the PM dealt with more high-minded issues.

Trudeau Jr. would have to do the work of running a government himself. And, as you have noted, while Sr. was a natural leftist who quit the NDP and joined the Liberal Party for the practical purpose of becoming Prime Minister, and freely adopted every NDP policy idea offered in public; Jr. is a child of privilege, steeped in all of the Neoliberal/Neocon B.S. of the Conservatives. He will track to the right (just like Obama down south) as will every other one of those leadership hopefuls....except for one...but I forget what his name is, and he likely doesn't have a great deal of chance winning the nomination anyway!

You said nothing to back up the claim that Trudeau is like Romney.

The only position that Trudeau really seemed to have screw up on is the gun registry, and he was correct in his views he just explained himself horribly.

Trudeau has taken positions that for some reason people consider to be on the right but I don't see what kind of point you're trying to make with that.

[Sleipnir]

You said nothing to back up the claim that Trudeau is like Romney.

Trudeau flip-flops on the importance of Alberta, Quebec sovereignty, gun registry, China-Nexen deal, etc.

[Rocky Road]

The ROC's stereotypes of Alberta are just bad.

Edited December 21, 2012 by Rocky Road