wyly Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 Yah yah yah. My point stands. No where in the world does the leader of a country not meet with those who run the provincial governments. We are stronger when we work together and support one another. I don't care if Harper is to much a baby to take some criticism of his government I expect my countries leaders to meet with other leaders in this country to make it stronger. If he can't stand the heat then he is in the wrong job. of course...he can meet with G8 and G20 leaders to discuss long range planning and international problems but meet with our own premiers to discuss canada's internal long range plans and problems..."no thanks, I'm too busy"... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
login Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) If one premier let alone 10 can't sort it out they are doomed with Stephen Harper as the brains of the operation you want more money stop wasting it on flights when something called telecommunications and letter mail was invented over 100 years ago. I applaud the PM for not showing , he probably saved tax payers $5000-10000 keep up the good work. Edited November 22, 2012 by login Quote
wyly Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 yet blowing a million on flights for a photo-op in India couldn't have been accomplished with "something called telecommunications" Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
login Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) yet blowing a million on flights for a photo-op in India couldn't have been accomplished with "something called telecommunications" no it could have been accomplished bythe ambassador and photoshop. Then you wonder why austerity fails. That and spending 5 billion more cause the rest of the g8 was performing poorly and Canada wanted to fit in with the crowd. Edited November 22, 2012 by login Quote
Boges Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 no it could have been accomplished bythe ambassador and photoshop. Then you wonder why austerity fails. That and spending 5 billion more cause the rest of the g8 was performing poorly and Canada wanted to fit in with the crowd. So, again, you're opposed to state visits period. Obama being in Southeast Asia now is a bad thing. Saw Harper on Question Period today. Seems like he was doing his actual job and not entertaining requests for more money by the Premiers. I wouldn't want to be in the same room with Dalton McGuinty either. Quote
punked Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 So, again, you're opposed to state visits period. Obama being in Southeast Asia now is a bad thing. Saw Harper on Question Period today. Seems like he was doing his actual job and not entertaining requests for more money by the Premiers. I wouldn't want to be in the same room with Dalton McGuinty either. If his actual job is to not talk to the leaders of his provinces then you are right. However pretty sure his job is to talk to those people. We are a stronger country when we work together lets do that. Quote
Boges Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 If his actual job is to not talk to the leaders of his provinces then you are right. However pretty sure his job is to talk to those people. We are a stronger country when we work together lets do that. He can talk to them anytime. As mentioned before there are these things called a phone. What is it, other than more money, that the premiers want from the federal government pray tell? Wouldn't this just be a photo op like the India thing everyone seems so pissed about? Quote
login Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) So, again, you're opposed to state visits period. Obama being in Southeast Asia now is a bad thing. Saw Harper on Question Period today. Seems like he was doing his actual job and not entertaining requests for more money by the Premiers. I wouldn't want to be in the same room with Dalton McGuinty either. Its not a state visit if you arn't head of state state visits should be for major milestones, not trade deals that is just hollow. The PM ain't head of state. Canadian republicanism must die. We are better off in a strong commonwealth equal and free. Republicanism is just another form of tyranny. The PM is a political advisor and administrator of the government ministires. Not someone with plenary powers of state. They have no powers of state, no legal force or effect. They are not equal to US president get it out of your system. This is what happens when you let the cia and american media have free reign over Canadian culture. The PC just represent a tyranny of the right. Edited November 23, 2012 by login Quote
g_bambino Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 [T]hey hoped that the PM would show up and fullfil his duty as PM and help come up with a economic plan for the provinces... That's certainly not the prime minister's duty. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 Why is the PM not meeting with the Preimer's right now? This is crazy. No other country in the world works the way we do in Canada. The PM refusing to meet with the leaders of our provinces to figure out what is best for the country. Come on. Dear Leader will tell them what's best for the country. He doesn't need to meet with them for that. Quote
Topaz Posted November 22, 2012 Author Report Posted November 22, 2012 The Premiers probably wanted to find out more about the future transfers to health care that Harper doesn't want to talk about. If I were the premiers, after THEIR meetings were over , I'd head for Ottawa and have a surprise visit , why didn't Harper have at least a phone conference, because he doesn't have the gonads to deal with the Premiers, Harper seem to be the kinda PM, that wants all the good stuff and none of the bad of being the PM. What a wuzzy! Quote
g_bambino Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 My point stands. No where in the world does the leader of a country not meet with those who run the provincial governments. Harper doesn't not meet with his provincial counterparts. He just doesn't attend meetings of the Council of the Federation, which, lo and behold, doesn't include the federal government. Quote
Argus Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 of course...he can meet with G8 and G20 leaders to discuss long range planning and international problems but meet with our own premiers to discuss canada's internal long range plans and problems..."no thanks, I'm too busy"... Harper does not simply meet with world leaders. An agenda is developed, and the background of the various issues are dealt with in meetings between officials of both sides for months in advance. When a general agreement is worked out the politicians get involved and general tell the officials to further refine things before the meetings. The actual meetings are normally just to deal with a few outstanding issues and wrap things up. Honestly, what do you think is going to be accomplished by Harper sitting down at a table with a bunch of premiers? They'll all say they need more money, and why, and he'll tell them to have their officials consult with his officials to discuss background, etc. It's not like they have any unanimity on some new policy direction they want to discuss with him, and it's not like he has any big change in direction he wants to get them all signed onto. All the premiers ever want is more money and less ideas from the feds, and to have the feds to blame for all their problems and mistakes. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 The PM is a political advisor and administrator of the government ministires. Not someone with plenary powers of state. They have no powers of state, no legal force or effect. They are not equal to US president get it out of your system. This is probably technically correct, but of course, completely bass-ackwards to reality. In truth, the Canadian prime minister who has a majority has far and away more power in every conceivable way than the US president. There really is no check on his power other than what his party's MPs are willing to give him, and in most cases, that's just about anything. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 The Premiers probably wanted to find out more about the future transfers to health care that Harper doesn't want to talk about. If I were the premiers, after THEIR meetings were over , I'd head for Ottawa and have a surprise visit , why didn't Harper have at least a phone conference, because he doesn't have the gonads to deal with the Premiers, Harper seem to be the kinda PM, that wants all the good stuff and none of the bad of being the PM. What a wuzzy! So you think he should have instead cut the federal deficit by massive cuts to provincial transfer payments like his predecessors? That takes much more gonads, right? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 Dear Leader will tell them what's best for the country. He doesn't need to meet with them for that. Do you think Harper ought to be telling the premiers what they should be doing? Do you think that's what they want him to do? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
login Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) This is probably technically correct, but of course, completely bass-ackwards to reality. In truth, the Canadian prime minister who has a majority has far and away more power in every conceivable way than the US president. There really is no check on his power other than what his party's MPs are willing to give him, and in most cases, that's just about anything. false, it takes 1 person to sack the pm it takes the whole senate to sack a president (normally) Your view is corrupt and disloyal. learn what peace and good order are and you might knkw whatt it means ti be canadian. You are a traitor for beleiving the PM is a state power. They are not. Your head is full of republicanist propaganda. shake it out. The PM is no where in the constitutuion. Edited November 23, 2012 by login Quote
cybercoma Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 Really, login... the rhetoric is a bit over the top. Quote
Mighty AC Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 So you think he should have instead cut the federal deficit by massive cuts to provincial transfer payments like his predecessors? That takes much more gonads, right? What an odd statement. Do you believe that politics is a team sport in which you have to blindly support every action a party takes? Criticizing Harper's no show, doesn't equate to blanket support for every historical Liberal decision. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
scribblet Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 false, it takes 1 person to sack the pm it takes the whole senate to sack a president (normally) ...................... The PM is no where in the constitutuion. Sheez, are you drinking the kool aid or what Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
login Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 Sheez, are you drinking the kool aid or what learn the law Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 learn the law I think you need to learn the law as that tirade sounded a tad insane. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Smallc Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 delusion is all yours smallc....other than G8 meetings and such there is no real reason other than PR photo-ops for our PM to leave the country on state business... He's the leader of the Canadian government? Do you not understand that? He's doing his job. Quote
Topaz Posted November 23, 2012 Author Report Posted November 23, 2012 I heard the Premier of NS say they changes the agenda just so Harper didn't feel he was being piled on,like other PMs have felt. They wanted him there because the topics were ALL controlled by the feds and they wanted to work together with HIM, so they could plan THEIR budgets...is that asking too much of a PM? As one reporter said, Harper likes to talk to each of them on the phone because then he likes to divide and conquer the provinces. He probably says one thing to the Tory premiers , while telling others the opposite. Quote
g_bambino Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) There really is no check on his power other than what his party's MPs are willing to give him... And the constitution, the provinces, the Supreme Court, the governor general, the monarch, and the electorate of course. [ed.: +] Edited November 23, 2012 by g_bambino Quote
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