Time to rid Canada of vicious dogs

[maplesyrup]

Tougher dog laws urged

Dog attacks should be treated identical to a human assault, and the owner of a dog who attacks people should go to jail. :angry:

We need to rid our society of these vicious beasts, and jail those people who encourage this sick behaviour.

[August1991]

Do you suggest we get rid of all dogs or just the vicious ones?

[maplesyrup]

Do you suggest we get rid of all dogs or just the vicious ones?

Just the ones that act like humans.

The vicious ones of course.

Most dogs are fine, and 1/4 Canadians lives with a dog.

But citizens should feel safe to walk down their streets anytime, day or night, without having to be worried about being attacked by some uncontrollable beast, don't you think?

[takeanumber]

I think there's a problem with the breed (pitbull).

I also believe that some people, you know the people, who treat their dogs really poorly and want them to be viscious to 'guard' their home...

I think those ppl ought to be treated as criminals because they're training an animal to kill somebody, and if that dog gets out and mauls a child or an adult, hardcore, that's manslaughter.

Better yet, if you're caught abusing an animal like that, you should lose the priveledge of owning an animal...any animal.

[I miss Reagan]

Tougher dog laws urged

Dog attacks should be treated identical to a human assault, and the owner of a dog who attacks people should go to jail. :angry:

We need to rid our society of these vicious beasts, and jail those people who encourage this sick behaviour.

But then the owners would get off with community service .

I think there is no reason anyone needs to have certain breeds of dogs known for being undpredictible. I think they should be banned. But that being said I'd hate to see Ontario try to do that. They might set up a registry for a billion dollars. Then the cops could consult a list before responding to calls.

[August1991]

The vicious ones of course.

**Sigh** How are you going to know they are vicious?

[idealisttotheend]

You walked right into that one MS.

My suggestion: argue against Pit Bulls and known vicious breeds specifically.

TN has a good point but there is not much you can do about people mistreating their dogs that except donate to the SPCA.

BTW most people who commit sadistic crimes start on animals, therefore by protecting animals from human abuse to a larger extent we would also be protecting humans. It's also a good argument for not giving people who do abuse animals community service as IMR suggests but serious jail times.

[idealisttotheend]

Here MS, try this:

CBC Regional Link

Ontario eyes Winnipeg's pit-bull ban

WINNIPEG - Winnipeg's decade-old ban on pit bulls is receiving attention in Ontario as that province considers a provincewide ban on the dogs in the wake of a vicious attack last weekend.

...

Tim Dack, who enforces Winnipeg's pit-bull ban as head of the city's animal services agency, says Ontario legislators should look at adopting a ban similar to Winnipeg's.

The ideal long-term approach would be to educate dog owners about how to control their pets, he says, but there comes a point when the government must ensure public safety.

"When we're having people attacked and our children in danger – or just citizens in general in danger – by a breed of dog, sometimes government has to step in and say, 'No, we can't have these dogs anymore,'" he says.

[takeanumber]

BTW most people who commit sadistic crimes start on animals, therefore by protecting animals from human abuse to a larger extent we would also be protecting humans. It's also a good argument for not giving people who do abuse animals community service as IMR suggests but serious jail times.

I agree.

You have to be one sick **** to do things like that an animal, IMO.

I'm not arguing that animals get legal rights etc etc etc

I'm just saying, nowhere in the Charter or in the common law does it say that you have the right to abuse an animal for the purpose of abusing it.

Doing so does indicate considerable problems.

I still think there's something wrong with the breed.

[maplesyrup]

I am no dog expert but is it that complicated?

I think people watch too much news, we don't get attacked in our homes every night, and I don't think people should have animals in their homes for protection. I mean, what happens if these animals get loose in the neighbourhood?

Also if one has young children do you really want a vicious dog around?

Certain breeds pit-bulls, rotweillers, dobermans, etc., need to be banned.

And I agree, any person who abuses an animal need to be treated the same way as if they abuse a human.

[kimmy]

Are people keeping pit bulls because they're loving pets? no. The only people who really need pit bulls are drug dealers who need vicious dogs to guard their stash while they're out selling their crops or smacking their prostitutes.

Aside from the "businessmen" who need pitbulls to guard their premises, the people who want pit-bulls are most likely tattooed-up grade 8 drop-outs. They might have their rights, but in all honesty, society would be a lot safer if these people didn't have vicious dogs (or drivers licences or the ability to reproduce for that matter.)

-kimmy

[daniel]

Does anybody know the effectiveness of ultrasonic dog deterrents?

I also read somewhere long ago that strobe-light have a strange effect on animals.

[maplesyrup]

One effective remedy to deal with attacking pit-bulls is to put some lead in their left ear.

How would you do that you ask:

With a f****** gun!

[ceemes]

Interesting thread, now for my two bits...(is that groans I hear?)

First off, the Pitbull Terrier is not considered to be a breed unto itself by the Canadian Kennel Club, but rather it is a mixed breed. That said, it has been breed for certain traits, aggression, strength, fearlessness and tenacity.

Secondly, it seems every decade has it so-called vicious dog of choice. In the 60's it was the German Shepard, in the 70's it was the Doberman Pincher, the the 80's brought in the popularity of the Pitbull Terrier and the 90's came the Rotweiller. Lately I have seen a number of "toughs" leading huge British Mastiffs about.

Funny thing its, two of those breeds, the German Shepard and the Doberman are now considered to be basically mild tempered dogs ideally suited for family pets. Indeed, they are valued because of their mild natures and their fierce loyalty to their family.

Both the Pitbull and the Rotweiller breeds can and do make wonderful pets, just like the German Shepard and the Doberman. The main problem with the vicious members of those breeds is not the breed themselves, but the assholes whole train them to be vicious killing machines. The vast majority of both Pitbull Terriers and Rotwelliers will go through their entire lives not attack, biting or even nipping at a person.

Banning the breed is a new jerk reaction to a few bad apples, better to ban bad owners or those that breed dogs to be vicious. Sadly, when a dog does attack a human, it has to be put down....personally I believe that if it can be proved that the owner or trainer of that dog had trained it to attack or to be vicious, then they themselfs should also be put down.

In closing, I have interacted with dog all my life, including so-called killer breeds such as Dobermans, Shepards, Rotties, and Pitts and IMHO the two most vicious and dangerous breeds are the Mexican Hairless Chiwahahaha....(whatever that ugly rat with pretentions of being a dog is called) and the Peke's. I have been attacked and bitten by both those breeds on numerous occations and never by the so-called killer breeds. Fortunately those two toy breeds have small teeth and are the perfect size to be punted across the room or the yard when they come charging in at you.

[maplesyrup]

A couple of years ago dogs attacked a teenage girl in the Lower Mainland and nothing was done by the government to put forward legislation to address the issue.

Now 3-4 dogs have killed a small child left unattended while adults slept in the Maple Ridge area of BC.

There must be one powerful dog group secretly lobbying behind the scenes.

It is very sad that the BC Campbell government ignored the previous attack two years ago.

What is it going to take to get rid of these dogs? Tragic as it is for the Mom, it is more tragic for the boy, and both dog owners should be charged, as it is the protection of the child that is at stake here.

This is what happens when one takes the law in one's own hands. Using dogs for guarding homes should be banned as well.

Boy, 3, dies after dog attack

There were also indications that intruders weren't welcome. On the back door was a sign with the image of a pistol that read: �We don't call 911.� Another sign warned of a guard dog on duty.

/82

[ontariogal22]

I myself am a dog lover.. We have 3 dogs at home..

And I must say that I agree that some breeds are just naturally more vicious... I do believe it has to do with how an owner trains and raises their dog... But some dogs just have it in their nature to be beasts naturally.

My family used to have a German Sheppard. It was a big baby and wouldn't hurt a fly... It used to hang out in the back yard- and the young boy next door used to take sticks and poke them through the fence and tease the dog..... One day the boy was out front on the street and the dog was let out front... the dog went after that kid and bit him.

Most dogs would be too stupid or easygoing to remember that kid's scent.. but not this German Shepard.. he tore off after him.

I know that dog was raised like a baby and taught to be around children since my parents had a small child at the time and never had problems.

It had to be the dog's "nature" that made him do that- when remembering that kid who teased him.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear maplesyrup,

I had posted a previous (and lengthy) post about dog breeds. Hope you read it. In short, Rotties are not 'aggressive' like pit fighters, they were brought up to be cattle drover/guard dogs. "The butcher of Rottweil" used them to drive his cattle for slaughter, and on the return trip to guard his purse from bandits. Now, poor ownership can be a large factor, but rotties are not, by nature, aggressive to the point of open attacks. They are large, however, and capable of great damage should they attack.

Dogs are also much different, behaviourally, in a 'pack' than as individuals.

In my opinion, only pit-fighting breeds should be banned from breeding.

Dear daniel,

I also read somewhere long ago that strobe-light have a strange effect on animals.

Bright light, especially at night, temporarily blinds dogs (and deer) and usually they freeze. I was walking with my brother in law near Victoria one night, and two dogs came charging out from someone's property at us. (This was in acreage territory) My bro-in-law shone his 1,000,000 candle power halogen at them, and they stopped in their tracks. Not sure if this works in the daylight, but my brother in law said it works every time at night.

[greyhound]

What is it going to take to get rid of these dogs?

My uncle, Joe, works as a dog groomer in a prestigious Mississauga dog grooming salon and he tells me that all the groomers there consider poodles to be the most viscious.

He and all his colleagues have the scars to prove it.

[maplesyrup]

There is no place in a civilized society for rotweillers or any other vicious dogs. We need to ban them and ban them fast. Maybe a few criminal & civil charges against the owners will make people realize these dogs are not the wonderful asset they think they are. These dogs are a menace to society.

I like dogs just as much as anyone here, but there are limits. And when human beings are placed in jeopardy because of these terrible killers, the line has been crossed. And BTW poodles don't kill kids!

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[caesar]

My uncle, Joe, works as a dog groomer in a prestigious Mississauga dog grooming salon and he tells me that all the groomers there consider poodles to be the most viscious.

A poodle will and cannot kill. Besides if the grooming quit giving the dogs cuts and nicks and razor burn; they wouldn't be so "vicious" The pitbulls and rottweillers do not endure such abuse.

[caesar]

I think this may well be a case of neglect or unsocialized dogs. The story first claimed the child was probably sleeping but it was the Parents who were sleeping. The other children have been taken from the home and the dogs are being destroyed. two of the dogs were not the families own dogs. When you get 3 or more dogs together they often get a pack mentality.

I do not trust rottweillers; my friend a senior with alzheimers but a great dog lover was bit in the face by a rottweiller while she patted the dog with the owner consent; the dog was a well loved family pet and leashed.

The lady attacked insisted that the dog not be punished,

There was no excuse for the attack; no sudden movement or anything and she was being escorted by her husband.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear maplesyrup,

  There is no place in a civilized society for

People who quickly and mindlessly come up with solutions such as...

One effective remedy to deal with attacking pit-bulls is to put some lead in their left ear.

How would you do that you ask:

With a f****** gun! 

regarding things and situations that they know nothing about.

[maplesyrup]

Actually I have given this issue a lot of thought and all dogs that attack like this need to be destroyed, the species banned, and the human owners charged.

A 3 year old defenceless child was maulled to death!

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear maplesyrup,

all dogs that attack like this need to be destroyed,

I agree.

and the human owners charged.

I agree.

the species banned

I disagree, but with some caveats and would require further definintion.

I have given this issue a lot of thought

I am a bit dubious.

[KrustyKidd]

Lonious, you kill me sometimes.

A 3 year old defenceless child was maulled to death!

And the childs Truck Driver father was stuck in the right hand lane someplace in a jam and the baby sitter couldn't get the knife lock off the utenseil drawer.