DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Deny it. Or is 3000 deaths not enough? More than 5000 needed for it to be WMD? Selective history. The Iran-Iraq War never happened in some folks books. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 http://en.wikipedia....weapons_program Nobody denies Iraq used chemical weapons on the kurds... Jesus christ. But the statement Sap made was in response to this... 9/11 was horrific ... but how did the American outrage get directed at Iraq, which had nothing to do with it, and turned out not to have any WMD's either ... but did have oil that US companies wanted? The poster is talking about 2001 prior to "Operation: OOPS! Didnt think THAT through!". Not 20 years before. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Nobody denies Iraq used chemical weapons on the kurds... Jesus christ. But the statement Sap made was in response to this... The poster is talking about 2001 prior to "Operation: OOPS! Didnt think THAT through!". Not 20 years before. Oh dear...now it looks as if Syria did end up with Saddam's chemical stocks. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jacee Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Both the old PLO logo and the newer Fatah logo show all of Israel as Palestine. Not just the Gaza Strip and WB. And the map of Israel as created ... and as it 'evolved' ... http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/mapstellstory/jews_stealing_palestine.png Point being ... the difference between fantasy and reality. Another point ... Why are some Israelis, esp those in power, seeking excuses to escalate to war instead of paths to peace? Quote
dre Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Selective history. The Iran-Iraq War never happened in some folks books. Nobody denied that. The problem is you seem to have a hard time following a basic conversation. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) Oh dear...now it looks as if Syria did end up with Saddam's chemical stocks. Yes yes I know. The vast WMD manufacturing complex Saddam was accused of having was smuggled out in the back of trucks Thats almost as good as Colin Powwels little speech about mobile weapons factories. Edited November 13, 2012 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Nobody denied that. The problem is you seem to have a hard time following a basic conversation. Your response to Iraq having WMDs was: ...or something like that. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 See above. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Your response to Iraq having WMDs was: ...or something like that. No again, you have a hard time following the thread. I laughed in response to Saddams gassing of the kurds being mentioned as a rebuttal to a post claiming Saddam didnt have the WMD's he was accused of having during the runup to the 2001 invasion. If you carefully examine the words on the screen in front of you, youll notice that all that neato text is actually a threaded discussion, with many of the posts being replies to previous posts that provide context. Cool huh? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 No again, you have a hard time following the thread. I laughed in response to Saddams gassing of the kurds being mentioned as a rebuttal to a post claiming Saddam didnt have the WMD's he was accused of having during the runup to the 2001 invasion. If you carefully examine the words on the screen in front of you, youll notice that all that neato text is actually a threaded discussion, with many of the posts being replies to previous posts that provide context. Cool huh? So are you just going to conduct personal attacks or are you now going to provide proof that Saddam did...errr....didn't....errr whatever you're going for at the moment...have chemical weapons? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 So are you just going to conduct personal attacks or are you now going to provide proof that Saddam did...errr....didn't....errr whatever you're going for at the moment...have chemical weapons? I didnt make any personal attacks at all. I just pointed out that you took my reply out of context. I didnt laugh at the idea that Iraq had chem/bio weapons decades ago, and that they used them either on the kurds or the iranians. I laughed at the idea of using those historical facts in rebuttal to a post questioning whether or not Saddam had weapons prior to the 2001 invasion. As for me providing proof, I havent made any assertions that require it. YOU are the one making assertions, so prove them yourself. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
cybercoma Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 So are you just going to conduct personal attacks or are you now going to provide proof that Saddam did...errr....didn't....errr whatever you're going for at the moment...have chemical weapons? The proof that Iraq had chemical weapons would have been for the US to show the stockpiles that they claimed to have satellite images of and intercepted communications about. The inductive argument that there were no stockpiles of chemical weapons is the fact that although the US claims they were there, the US was never able to produce them following their invasion. It seems more likely that they had chemical weapons before Bush Sr. invaded, but exhausted them before the first invasion and were never able to recover them after the US all but annihilated Iraq in the 90s. Quote
Guest Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) No again, you have a hard time following the thread. I laughed in response to Saddams gassing of the kurds being mentioned as a rebuttal to a post claiming Saddam didnt have the WMD's he was accused of having during the runup to the 2001 invasion. If you carefully examine the words on the screen in front of you, youll notice that all that neato text is actually a threaded discussion, with many of the posts being replies to previous posts that provide context. Cool huh? Yesterday I had muffins. Now they're all gone. Not to worry though, because I have the ingredients and the know how to bake some more for tomorrow. This is not to say that Saddam's muffins were all gone. Just that it wouldn't matter much if they were. Edited November 13, 2012 by bcsapper Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Yesterday I had muffins. Now they're all gone. Not to worry though, because I have the ingredients and the know how tp make some more for tomorrow. This is not to say that Saddam's muffins were all gone. Just that it wouldn't matter much if they were. I'm sure Saddam swore off chemical weapons after seeing the horrors he caused on the battlefield. Burp... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) Deleted - pushed the quote button instead of the edit button Edited November 13, 2012 by bcsapper Quote
jacee Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) Yesterday I had muffins. Now they're all gone. Not to worry though, because I have the ingredients and the know how tp make some more for tomorrow. This is not to say that Saddam's muffins were all gone. Just that it wouldn't matter much if they were. So ... where were the ingredients hidden? If the US army couldn't find them or any relevant intel, where'd you get the info? (Are we really having this conversation? ) Edited November 13, 2012 by jacee Quote
dre Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) The proof that Iraq had chemical weapons would have been for the US to show the stockpiles that they claimed to have satellite images of and intercepted communications about. The inductive argument that there were no stockpiles of chemical weapons is the fact that although the US claims they were there, the US was never able to produce them following their invasion. It seems more likely that they had chemical weapons before Bush Sr. invaded, but exhausted them before the first invasion and were never able to recover them after the US all but annihilated Iraq in the 90s. Actually after the first gulf war, UNSCOM spent years in Iraq destroying their stockpiles. Its not that they were exhausted during the war. Prior to the Gulf War two the claim made by the US was that Iraq had reconstituted a robust WMD manufacturing capacity and the industrial complex that requires. They also claimed he was less than 6 months from having his nuclear program up and running. Edited November 13, 2012 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Yesterday I had muffins. Now they're all gone. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Guest Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 So ... where were the ingredients hidden? If the US army couldn't find them or any relevant intel, where'd you get the info? Safeway. Quote
dre Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 He was accused of having a large active WMD manufacturing programs, not ingredients. Neither weapons inspectors, or coalition troops found any evidence of either. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Guest Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Don't be confused. When I have time I'll explain it to you. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 He was accused of having a large active WMD manufacturing programs, not ingredients. Neither weapons inspectors, or coalition troops found any evidence of either. Give me unlimited funds and power to act and I'll hide 100 18 wheeler trucks with trailers somewhere in BC. Some might be buried. Find them. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 He was accused of having a large active WMD manufacturing programs, not ingredients. Neither weapons inspectors, or coalition troops found any evidence of either. Given a reasonable amount of resources, I bet I could hide a battleship in Iraq that would never be found. Never mind a few barrels of mustard gas or Sarin (which have been found, btw) Quote
jacee Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Don't be confused. When I have time I'll explain it to you. OOOOOO-K Quote
Guest Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) Now that's freaky... Edit>The two posts above yours, jacee. Edited November 13, 2012 by bcsapper Quote
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