Black Dog Posted September 3, 2004 Report Posted September 3, 2004 No not at all. There is a difference between lawfully speaking your mind and breaking the law and endangering lives to get attention But you haven't shown this to be the case. Aside from the one assault on th eplainclothes cop, who's lives were endangered? What property was damaged? By all accounts, the RNC protests were overwhelmingly peaceful. You simply don't like the politics of the participants. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
I miss Reagan Posted September 3, 2004 Author Report Posted September 3, 2004 Audience boos as Bush offers best wishes for Clinton I heard on the radio that this report was untrue. I'll have to watch it tonight. Quote "Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to offer therapy and understanding for our attackers. Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war." -Karl Rove
I miss Reagan Posted September 3, 2004 Author Report Posted September 3, 2004 No not at all. There is a difference between lawfully speaking your mind and breaking the law and endangering lives to get attention But you haven't shown this to be the case. Aside from the one assault on th eplainclothes cop, who's lives were endangered? What property was damaged? By all accounts, the RNC protests were overwhelmingly peaceful. You simply don't like the politics of the participants. Well there have been over 1000 arrests. When emergency vehicles can't get through that's endangering lives. There were anarchist groups before the convention advocating violence and sabotaging anti-terror security by doing such things as spreading gunpowder in places to throw off bomb sniffing dogs. When I watched the protesters being carried out of the convention kicking and screaming it reminded me of the two idiots who had to be carried out of the pro-US rally I was at. It just seems to be a common tactic by the extreme left. But you're right I don't like their politics. Quote "Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to offer therapy and understanding for our attackers. Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war." -Karl Rove
idealisttotheend Posted September 3, 2004 Report Posted September 3, 2004 SInce when are anarchists extreme left? Aren't they extreme right? Quote All too often the prize goes, not to who best plays the game, but to those who make the rules....
I miss Reagan Posted September 3, 2004 Author Report Posted September 3, 2004 SInce when are anarchists extreme left? Aren't they extreme right? It depends on which one you talk to. Quote "Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to offer therapy and understanding for our attackers. Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war." -Karl Rove
Black Dog Posted September 3, 2004 Report Posted September 3, 2004 Well there have been over 1000 arrests. When emergency vehicles can't get through that's endangering lives. There were anarchist groups before the convention advocating violence and sabotaging anti-terror security by doing such things as spreading gunpowder in places to throw off bomb sniffing dogs. When I watched the protesters being carried out of the convention kicking and screaming it reminded me of the two idiots who had to be carried out of the pro-US rally I was at. It just seems to be a common tactic by the extreme left. But you're right I don't like their politics. So your "evidence" is watching people getting manhandled by security, unsourced allegations of violence (none of which actulally came to pass) and the volume of arrests which, as I said before, can be just as easily attributed to aggressive tactics on the part of the cops. In other words, you don't have a leg to stand on. It's partisan sniping, identical to the kind you accuse Bush critics of using. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
I miss Reagan Posted September 3, 2004 Author Report Posted September 3, 2004 Ya nobody likes the police, whether locally or globally, but somebody has to maintain the order. With 1800 people being arrested I think the police did a great job in keeping the peace. Quote "Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to offer therapy and understanding for our attackers. Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war." -Karl Rove
I miss Reagan Posted September 3, 2004 Author Report Posted September 3, 2004 "Where's John Hinckley when you need him?" -Sign carried by a Classy leftist protestor in NYC (John Hinkley is the man who shot Reagan) Quote "Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to offer therapy and understanding for our attackers. Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war." -Karl Rove
August1991 Posted September 3, 2004 Report Posted September 3, 2004 To be perfectly honest, I paid little to no attention to these two conventions. I heard radio snippets of speeches. It is obvious however that there were thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of protesters in NYC. I didn't hear about any protesters in Boston. (Were there any?) Conclusion? The anti-Bush, Leftist Dems comprise people who want to make a lot of noise. The pro-Bush, Right Wing Republicans are quiet. Why? Are Dems younger and more boisterous? Are Republicans old-fogeys? In any case, I'd have to say that the Right Wing is more respectful. Here's another question: Who would get the better hearing and more respect? One lone right wing person in a crowd of leftists or one lone leftist in a crowd of right wingers. The Left innately considers that the Right is the "dominant ideology" and hence the Left must use whatever means are necessary to make its opinions heard. The Right smugly considers the Left to be wrong-headed. I'm inclined to view left wingers as more shrill, less polite and too often intolerant. The Left has the proselytizers natural desire to spread the word of "socialism" (or "democratic socialism" or whatever). They are crusaders. Quote
The Terrible Sweal Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 As Arnold said tonight the beauty of America is that people can disagree. Quote
Black Dog Posted September 10, 2004 Report Posted September 10, 2004 In any case, I'd have to say that the Right Wing is more respectful. RNC delgate respectfully kicks protester while they're down. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
The Terrible Sweal Posted September 10, 2004 Report Posted September 10, 2004 Repug vigilante-ism. Class all the way. Did anyone see today's Globe and Mail with the photo of a big right-wing he-man pulling the hair of a young lady. Police better arrest the little slut, I guess. Quote
Black Dog Posted September 17, 2004 Report Posted September 17, 2004 Those damn Demo-rats even make little girls cry! Oh no! The sorry story. A Republican family attended the rally to show support for the Bush-Cheney ticket. Phil Parlock, a Barboursville resident and strong Republican, said his family was accosted by some Kerry supporters."We do it peacefully and quietly to show respect. And, we don’t want to get kicked out of anything," Parlock said. After standing on the tarmac with the Kerry supporters, Parklock and three of his children moved down to the airport road near a parking lot exit. With Parlock were sons Phil II, 21, and Alex, 11, and daughter Sophia, 3. Parlock said a Kerry supporter yanked a Bush-Cheney sign out of Sophia’s hands, making her cry. As they stood along the road later, someone threw the ripped-up remains of the sign at them as they passed. Man, Mr. Parlock really has bad luck! Meet Phil Parlock. Parlock is a family man and a staunch Republican. Parlock has a very sad story to tell about how rotten Kerry supporters are. You see, they made his little girl cry. Parlock was at a rally on Thursday to greet Vice Presidential candidate John Edwards, who was on a swing through West Virginia and Ohio. Parlock brought his three children and a Bush/Cheney sign to show support for his beloved President. According to him, a Kerry-supporting union guy wearing an IUPAT shirt ripped up the Bush sign his little girl was carrying, making her cry. Terrible, right? A sign that our national politics have descended into these kind of brutish tactics, right? An embarrassing incident for the Kerry campaign, right? The media certainly thinks so, and has dutifully reported on the incident. For the third time. ... For the third Presidential election in a row, poor Phil Parlock has been abused by terrible Democrats while trying to support the Republican candidate, and while trying to introduce his children to the art of retail politics. Is this just a string of bad luck for Phil? Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
maplesyrup Posted September 18, 2004 Report Posted September 18, 2004 This is what I see some Conservative right wing thinking leads to in behaviour: Treatment of Cuban people. President Kennedy's Assassination Robert Kennedy's Assassination Martin Luther King's Assassination Impechment of Clinton over sex horseshit Excessive controlling of our mass media, therefore destroying our democratic process. Supportive of vicious dictators Vicious dictators like Saddam Assassination of other political leaders Killing people who hold different point of view (progressives) Racism. Intolerance Greed, stomping on the poor, attacking the weak, pummeling the disenfranchised, the very opposite of what Jesus represented according to Christianity. Note I said some right wing behaviour. But the title of this thread says a lot in itself about its right wing author with its arrogant approach. :angry: Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
August1991 Posted September 18, 2004 Report Posted September 18, 2004 You forgot Hurricane Ivan, MS. Bush started that to divert attention and also to make it difficult for poor people to vote. Quote
maplesyrup Posted September 18, 2004 Report Posted September 18, 2004 For how long have US administrations been propping up right wing dictatorships to protect their material wealth? To suggest otherwise is revisionist history. Iraq is a good example. At one time the US backed the right wing regime of Hussein. There is only one reason the the US is presently there and it has absolutely nothing to do with bin Laden or Al Queda. People who live in glass houses, like the right winger who started this thread, should not throw stones. It is a moronic topic, that even a ten year old would give short shrift to. :angry: Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
maplesyrup Posted September 18, 2004 Report Posted September 18, 2004 You forgot Hurricane Ivan, MS. Bush started that to divert attention and also to make it difficult for poor people to vote. August1991.....nice attempt to deflect resonsibility for some right wing behaviour, but Bush actually did try to block blacks from voting, sometimes using police intimidation tactics, in Florida, in the last US national election. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
Montgomery Burns Posted September 18, 2004 Report Posted September 18, 2004 Man, Mr. Parlock really has bad luck! Not only that, but he is foolish. He should know better to take his 3 year old daughter to watch Edwards at the airport. How DARE he have his daughter hold up a provocative hate-inspiring Bush/Cheney '04 sign? What Black Dog is essentially saying is that it is too dangerous to bring your 3 y/o daughter to a Kerry/Edwards rally. :angry: Maplesyrup said: "At one time the US backed the right wing regime of Hussein". Good grief. Rightwingers like smaller govt. The govt (Saddam) controlled everything in Iraq. Saddam was a leftwinger...a socialist. Yeesh! Quote "Anybody who doesn't appreciate what America has done, and President Bush, let them go to hell!" -- Iraqi Betty Dawisha, after dropping her vote in the ballot box, wields The Cluebat™ to the anti-liberty crowd on Dec 13, 2005. "Call me crazy, but I think they [iraqis] were happy with thier [sic] dumpy homes before the USA levelled so many of them" -- Gerryhatrick, Feb 3, 2006.
theloniusfleabag Posted September 19, 2004 Report Posted September 19, 2004 Dear Montgomery Burns, Good grief. Rightwingers like smaller govt. The govt (Saddam) controlled everything in Iraq. Saddam was a leftwinger...a socialistDoes no one understand the demarcations of politics? I believe this is the source of the confusion over whether Hitler and Saddam were 'right' or 'left' wing. The 'right wing' likes smaller gov't because it means less taxes and controls. (I am in agreement with this, to a point. I certainly wouldn't want companies to be 'totally free' to 'maximize profit' by dumping mercury, dioxins and PCB waste upstream from my house) However, it is also the right-wing's strong desire to 'be in control'. Totalitarianism is the extreme of this view. The left's extreme of political control would be democracy, every vote equal, with no such thing as a 'business interested lobby group'. Quote Would the Special Olympics Committee disqualify kids born with flippers from the swimming events?
Black Dog Posted September 20, 2004 Report Posted September 20, 2004 Not only that, but he is foolish. He should know better to take his 3 year old daughter to watch Edwards at the airport. How DARE he have his daughter hold up a provocative hate-inspiring Bush/Cheney '04 sign?What Black Dog is essentially saying is that it is too dangerous to bring your 3 y/o daughter to a Kerry/Edwards rally. No, stupid, what I'm saying is that Mr. Parlock is clearly a Republican operative specializing in generating negative media attention for the Democrats by staging these events with his children. Yeesh. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
Montgomery Burns Posted September 20, 2004 Report Posted September 20, 2004 No, stupid, what I'm saying is that Mr. Parlock is clearly a Republican operative specializing in generating negative media attention for the Democrats by staging these events with his children. You forgot to mention that he is a religious extremist neocon zionist KarlRoveCheneyHalliburton plant who is in the NWO. Quote "Anybody who doesn't appreciate what America has done, and President Bush, let them go to hell!" -- Iraqi Betty Dawisha, after dropping her vote in the ballot box, wields The Cluebat™ to the anti-liberty crowd on Dec 13, 2005. "Call me crazy, but I think they [iraqis] were happy with thier [sic] dumpy homes before the USA levelled so many of them" -- Gerryhatrick, Feb 3, 2006.
Black Dog Posted September 20, 2004 Report Posted September 20, 2004 Uh, no. See, the gentleman in question has been front and centre at a number of these controversies in the past. Conidence? Bad luck? I don't think so. But then critical thought seems a little too much for you to handle. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
Montgomery Burns Posted September 20, 2004 Report Posted September 20, 2004 theloniusfleabag, The 'right wing' likes smaller gov't because it means less taxes and controls. And also less govt interference in your life. I rather admire the USA's view on govt, which is, essentially, that the role of the federal govt is to protect the country. One of the things that makes it so difficult for European companies to compete is excessive govt bureaucracy and regulations. (I am in agreement with this, to a point. I certainly wouldn't want companies to be 'totally free' to 'maximize profit' by dumping mercury, dioxins and PCB waste upstream from my house) I see it another way. When the public would find out about these companies "dumping mercury, dioxins and PCB waste upstream", then the people would demand bettter from these companies or they would take their business elsewhere - which means said company goes out of business. However, it is also the right-wing's strong desire to 'be in control'. Totalitarianism is the extreme of this view. Sorry, but I have to disagree. History has shown that it is the left that is fanatical about control. History is replete with examples of leftwingers fanatical obsession with control, crushing dissent, and disarming its citizens. The former USSR, Cuba and China are just 3 examples. Most of the European countries have disarmed their citizens. Switzerland hasn't. Why do you think Hitler ws leery about going after Switzerland? It wasn't only the mountainous terrain. We all remember the dirty tricks the Democrats did in Florida in 2000 to try and keep power. Denying oversea US military personnel to vote, registering dead Indians, registering felons to vote. And we all remember how the Democrat stacked Florida Supreme Court authorized recount after recount after recount after recount - desperately hoping for the result they wanted. Thank goodness, the US Supreme Court finally put a stop to that charade, or it might've went on thru the date for the inauguration. And we have just recently seen the Democrats attempts to stop free speech. There was the lawyers sicced on TV stations who ran the Swift Boat ads, and there was the attempts to get bookstores to not stock Unfit For Command. Then there was the difference between the treatment of the protestors at the DNC and the RNC. The Dems kept them in a cage; The Repubs did not. The left's extreme of political control would be democracy, every vote equal, with no such thing as a 'business interested lobby group'. I honestly am not sure what you are trying to say here. The left's extreme of political control is every vote equal? Did they do that in the USSR? And what is your problem with businesses? They hire and pay people. Quote "Anybody who doesn't appreciate what America has done, and President Bush, let them go to hell!" -- Iraqi Betty Dawisha, after dropping her vote in the ballot box, wields The Cluebat™ to the anti-liberty crowd on Dec 13, 2005. "Call me crazy, but I think they [iraqis] were happy with thier [sic] dumpy homes before the USA levelled so many of them" -- Gerryhatrick, Feb 3, 2006.
Montgomery Burns Posted September 20, 2004 Report Posted September 20, 2004 See, the gentleman in question has been front and centre at a number of these controversies in the past. Conidence? Bad luck? I don't think so. Ahhh, I see you have your tinfoil beanie on. It's all a diabolical conspiracy. Is Bush behind it? No, because he is stooopid. It must be the EvulGeniusKarlRove. Quote "Anybody who doesn't appreciate what America has done, and President Bush, let them go to hell!" -- Iraqi Betty Dawisha, after dropping her vote in the ballot box, wields The Cluebat™ to the anti-liberty crowd on Dec 13, 2005. "Call me crazy, but I think they [iraqis] were happy with thier [sic] dumpy homes before the USA levelled so many of them" -- Gerryhatrick, Feb 3, 2006.
Shakeyhands Posted September 23, 2004 Report Posted September 23, 2004 Sorry, but I have to disagree. History has shown that it is the left that is fanatical about control. History is replete with examples of leftwingers fanatical obsession with control, crushing dissent, and disarming its citizens. The former USSR, Cuba and China are just 3 examples. Me thinks you may be a trifle confused... These were Communist governments... Not Democracies. Left wing doesn't mean Communist, nor does Liberal... In fact it is as close to Communism as Conservatism is to facism... ? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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