Guest American Woman Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 there is no point in responding to propaganda that uses quotes out of context to push an agenda, instead of trying to be truthful. i'll point out just one of those but to waste any more time is giving legitimacy to the b.s.• “There is no acute malnutrition.’’—Mahmoud Daher, World Health Organization representative as according to the footnotes of the propaganda piece posted by american woman, the above quote comes from an LA times article. the problem is that no such comment was made by mahmoud daher. "It's not the kind of disaster that you might see in other places," said Mahmud Daher, head of WHO's Gaza office. "But it's always on the edge of a crisis. And without the help of the international community, it would be a crisis." Passing through the half-mile Erez checkpoint and emerging into Gaza, the contrast could hardly be more stark. In Israel, there are shopping malls and traffic lights. In Gaza, donkey carts and herds of goats cross the road. Young boys pick through the debris of bombed-out buildings to salvage construction materials. a dishonest person such as american woman will continue to spread misinformation because she is here to propagate for zionism. Who says he didn't say it - you? There's nothing in your post to suggest otherwise. You said he didn't say it, ergo I am "dishonest." *drinks a beer* I think I'll take the word of the New York Times over yours: http://www.nytimes.c...ast/29gaza.html There is no acute malnutrition, and infant mortality rates compare with those in Egypt and Jordan, according to Mahmoud Daher of the World Health Organization here. The New York Times, if you are unaware, has the reputation of being anti-Israel. And for the record, I looked into the stats. The statement is correct. So much for your claims of "propaganda." Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 Who says he didn't say it - you? There's nothing in your post to suggest otherwise. You said he didn't say it, ergo I am "dishonest." *drinks a beer* I think I'll take the word of the New York Times over yours: http://www.nytimes.c...ast/29gaza.html There is no acute malnutrition, and infant mortality rates compare with those in Egypt and Jordan, according to Mahmoud Daher of the World Health Organization here. The New York Times, if you are unaware, has the reputation of being anti-Israel. And for the record, I looked into the stats. The statement is correct. So much for your claims of "propaganda." Turns out bud's wee anti-Zionist propaganda group is a pack of liars, anyways. Trying to pass off 'children's war art' as real. I'm sure somebody will tell us they are, in fact, real pictures drawn by real Palestinian children... http://www.cjpme.org/ Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bud Posted October 30, 2012 Author Report Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) Who says he didn't say it - you? There's nothing in your post to suggest otherwise. with your attention span of a fish, it makes it difficult to communicate with you. as i mentioned, the list of information you posted from the propaganda web site, gives a footnote and the source of where the information was taken from. they listed the LA times article as the source and nowhere in the LA Times article was the quoted sentence by mahmud is to be seen. You said he didn't say it, ergo I am "dishonest." *drinks a beer* the article that was cited by your propaganda piece didn't say it. drinking and posting again? could explain many things. The New York Times, if you are unaware, has the reputation of being anti-Israel. And for the record, I looked into the stats. The statement is correct. So much for your claims of "propaganda." ohhh yeah! ethan bonner is SO anti-israel. so anti-israel that he has a son in the IDF. again, this whole malnutrition thing has been taken out of context to make it sound like the gazans are living a happy and healthy life. even the extremely "anti-israel" article in NYT *wink wink* talks about the terrible life of the gazans under israel's occupation and blockade which has been deemed illegal by the goldstone report, human rights watch and amnesty international. Edited October 30, 2012 by bud Quote http://whoprofits.org/
Mr.Canada Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 I don't understand why bud is calling for the destruction of Israel. Where do you propose the Jews go? Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
bud Posted October 30, 2012 Author Report Posted October 30, 2012 I don't understand no you don't. show me where i've said what you think i've said. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
Mr.Canada Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 no you don't. show me where i've said what you think i've said. Ok, maybe I misunderstand your position. So you're in support of Israel existing as a safe place for Jews of the world? Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
bud Posted October 30, 2012 Author Report Posted October 30, 2012 Ok, maybe I misunderstand your position. So you're in support of Israel existing as a safe place for Jews of the world? yes. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
DogOnPorch Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 yes. In a Jewish state? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 yes. So you support the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state? Quote
bud Posted October 31, 2012 Author Report Posted October 31, 2012 So you support the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state? what is the difference between israel's right to exist as "a state" and as "a jewish state"? Quote http://whoprofits.org/
Mr.Canada Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 Jews must be allowed to self protect. For thousands of years they were persecuted for simply being Jewish. Murdered for simply being Jewish. Jew's living in Arab countries were second class citizens called Dhimmi's. Is this what bud would like a return to? Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
DogOnPorch Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 what is the difference between israel's right to exist as "a state" and as "a jewish state"? A lot...and YOU know it. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Bonam Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) what is the difference between israel's right to exist as "a state" and as "a jewish state"? That would be the right for Israel to take steps necessary in regards to immigration policy that allow for Jews to remain a majority in Israel. When it comes to Palestinians, the relevant part of them recognizing Israel as a Jewish state would be relinquishing any and all claim that the Palestinian "refugees" have a "right of return" to within Israel proper. When a new Palestinian state is formed in Gaza and the West Bank, they will be free to offer preferential immigration to the Palestinian refugees abroad, but that population can never return to Israel itself. Edited October 31, 2012 by Bonam Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 Nice thought...but their mantra is 'From the River to the Sea........' Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
TheNewTeddy Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 It is interesting... What if Israel holds a referendum, a free vote, and 60% vote for Apartheid. Are we going to go in there and tell them that their democracy is invalid? That their people are not permitted to choose this option? Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me!
DogOnPorch Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 It is interesting... What if Israel holds a referendum, a free vote, and 60% vote for Apartheid. Are we going to go in there and tell them that their democracy is invalid? That their people are not permitted to choose this option? Israeli isn't an Apartheid state and isn't going to be denying the rights of its own citizens anytime soon. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bud Posted October 31, 2012 Author Report Posted October 31, 2012 That would be the right for Israel to take steps necessary in regards to immigration policy that allow for Jews to remain a majority in Israel. When it comes to Palestinians, the relevant part of them recognizing Israel as a Jewish state would be relinquishing any and all claim that the Palestinian "refugees" have a "right of return" to within Israel proper. When a new Palestinian state is formed in Gaza and the West Bank, they will be free to offer preferential immigration to the Palestinian refugees abroad, but that population can never return to Israel itself. from what i have read from the past agreements, the issue of the palestinian refugees who were driven out of modern day israel has been an issue that was resolved in the form of compensation. the taba summit was one of those talks where the israeli and palestinians negotiators came very close to a result. unfortunately, it all ended after israeli elections and sharon came to power. personally, if the 'right of return' issue can be negotiated and resolved, which seem to have been resolved, i don't care what kind of racist and apartheid rules israel chooses to adopt inside israel. the problem is that the right wing israelis also want east jerusalem, chunks of west bank and they are against a palestinian state being formed. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
Bonam Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) from what i have read from the past agreements, the issue of the palestinian refugees who were driven out of modern day israel has been an issue that was resolved in the form of compensation. the taba summit was one of those talks where the israeli and palestinians negotiators came very close to a result. unfortunately, it all ended after israeli elections and sharon came to power. No issue in the conflict has really been "resolved". There have been lots of talks and lots of understandings, but nothing substantial has ever actually been implemented. And when some faction of the Palestinians agrees to something, that does not speak for other factions, such as Hamas. personally, if the 'right of return' issue can be negotiated and resolved, which seem to have been resolved, i don't care what kind of racist and apartheid rules israel chooses to adopt inside israel. Two points: 1. Immigration policy designed to keep Israel a Jewish state is not a racist or apartheid policy. 2. You plainly do in fact care, and frequently post threads criticizing Israel on the grounds of its internal policies (in addition to your copious threads regarding its actions in the West Bank and Gaza). the problem is that the right wing israelis also want east jerusalem, chunks of west bank and they are against a palestinian state being formed. A substantial majority of Israelis support a two state solution. That means a Palestinian state being formed. Past negotiations have generally centered around Palestinians getting something like 98% of the land that they claim as theirs, which, by any reasonable definition, is more than generous, considering its basically giving away land to people that have been doing their best to destroy and harm Israel for generations. If Israel decides to keep a few square kilometers here and there that happen to already be populated mostly by Israelis, the Palestinians will just have to suck it up and make the best of the state that they end up with. Just like the Jews did when Israel was formed on a small fraction of the Mandate of Palestine. Edited October 31, 2012 by Bonam Quote
WWWTT Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 please ignore my posts in the future. Good to see you back! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
GostHacked Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 I don't understand why bud is calling for the destruction of Israel. Where do you propose the Jews go? If you can't quote Bud saying he is calling for the destruction of Israel (not even I am advocating that) then why even post this garbage? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 If you can't quote Bud saying he is calling for the destruction of Israel (not even I am advocating that) then why even post this garbage? What bud proposes by the looks is called 'right of return' which anyone claiming to be suddenly 'Palestinian' can move to Israel and start getting welfare cheques. Pretty much destruction...another failed state at the very least. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 What bud proposes by the looks is called 'right of return' which anyone claiming to be suddenly 'Palestinian' can move to Israel and start getting welfare cheques. Pretty much destruction...another failed state at the very least. So one's right of return overrides someone else's right to currently exist. Gotcha. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 So one's right of return overrides someone else's right to currently exist. Gotcha. Pardon me? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 Pardon me? What is your confusion? My statement (to me anyways) seemed clear and straight forward. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 American Woman, on 30 October 2012 - 07:01 PM, said: So you support the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state?what is the difference between israel's right to exist as "a state" and as "a jewish state"? So the answer is no, you do not support Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state? Quote
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