bud Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 a boat carrying soccerballs, musical instruments and children books for kids in gaza is boarded and seized: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 The Free Gaza Movement has already been outed as a group of anti-Semite Holocaust deniers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted October 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 (edited) The Free Gaza Movement has already been outed as a group of anti-Semite Holocaust deniers. that b.s. smear propaganda on the founder of the free gaza movement has already been debunked. you're only trying to divert attention away from the zionist apartheid regime's violation of human rights. --- CBC Victoria Strand, a spokeswoman for Ship to Gaza in Sweden, which sent the Estelle, told the Associated Press that armed, masked soldiers boarded the boat and cut their communications as they were some 30 nautical miles from Gaza. She said activists on board told her that some six naval boats surrounded their vessel. "This is a demonstration of ruthlessness," Strand said. Some of the items aboard the Estella: two olive trees 41 tonnes of cement wheelchairs, walkers and crutches midwifery stethoscope children books and toys 300 footballs musical instruments theatrical equipment, especially lightning an anchor from the Canadian contingent for a vessel, Gaza's Ark, to be built in Gaza VHF radio for the Gaza's Ark project Edited October 20, 2012 by bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleeding heart Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 They boarded the boat because of Holocaust denial??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 They boarded the boat because of Holocaust denial??? Nah, their founder Greta Berlin was caught posting some pretty ugly stuff that she thought was just going to her FB friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleeding heart Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 (edited) dp Edited October 20, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Why on earth would Israel allow a boat to offload at Gaza without searching it first? What kind of a ridiculous thing to do would that be? Might as well just take out a few Israelis and shoot them if they have that little regard for Israeli lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Why on earth would Israel allow a boat to offload at Gaza without searching it first? What kind of a ridiculous thing to do would that be? Might as well just take out a few Israelis and shoot them if they have that little regard for Israeli lives. Plus...up zee road a tad is Syria. Perhaps they need some children's toys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleipnir Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Wouldn't it make more sense for the humanitarian boat to dock at Port Said (with permission from Egypt of course) then travel east-north to Rafah crossing (that borders Egypt and Gaza)? I must be missing something here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Too bad. So sad. Got stopped by the border patrol. Ooops. Next time check in with customs, hmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Some of the items aboard the Estella: two olive trees 41 tonnes of cement wheelchairs, walkers and crutches midwifery stethoscope children books and toys 300 footballs musical instruments theatrical equipment, especially lightning an anchor from the Canadian contingent for a vessel, Gaza's Ark, to be built in Gaza VHF radio for the Gaza's Ark project It's the other items aboard the Estella that the Israelis are worried about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 The ship was trying to break Israel's blockade (which the U.N. has declared legal, for those who are always referencing the U.N.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 The ship was trying to break Israel's blockade (which the U.N. has declared legal, for those who are always referencing the U.N.) UN has not declared whether it's legal or illegal. (for those who are interested in facts) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 (edited) israel's arrogance is no longer something that can be brushed under the rug. the tide is turning and the current israeli government is speeding up the process. maybe obama, in his final term, will make history and become the first president who is able to overcome the heavy pressure and the stranglehold on america's foreign policy and tell israel that the money ($3 billion+/year) and political backing (UN veto) has to be earned. bush senior made the mistake of doing it in his first term and he paid for it. obama doesn't have that to worry about that. Edited October 21, 2012 by bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Self preservation isn't arrogance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Self preservation isn't arrogance. you cannot rely on ignorance and misinformation. it is no longer accepted. this is not self preservation: likud platform Self-Rule The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Everything Israel does to prevent weapons getting into the hands of those who would do them harm is self preservation. To insist otherwise is ignorant and/or misinformed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 (edited) Everything Israel does to prevent weapons getting into the hands of those who would do them harm is self preservation. To insist otherwise is ignorant and/or misinformed. weapons have never been found on these humanitarian boats. people don't believe your misinformation anymore. your lies and narrative is no longer being accepted as the truth. you see, i showed you what the platform of the israeli government is and instead of acknowledging their terrible stance, like everyone does with hamas' charter, you pretend it's not there. that said, there is a glaring difference between hamas's position and israeli government's position, which is that the israeli state already exists but the palestinian state is being prevented from being created. the hypocrisy and arrogance of asking people to never forget how jews were treated in places like auschwitz and then sitting silent and even trying to justify the actions of israel towards the people in gaza is one of the elephants in the room that more and more people are no longer willing to ignore. israel is preventing human rights and dignity for the palestinians, especially for the people in gaza. israel has created an open air prison in gaza. they've taken these people hostage and numerous reports and human rights organizations agree that their actions are in violation of human rights. (well, duh.). the last straw is how more and more jews outside of israel, especially the younger jews, are distancing themselves from israel's actions. they can no longer relate to the ugliness of zionism. the zionist dream of greater israel will be coming to an end. Edited October 21, 2012 by bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 weapons have never been found on these humanitarian boats. people don't believe your misinformation anymore. your lies and narrative is no longer being accepted as the truth. http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/israel-intercepts-ship-it-says-carried-iranian-weapons-bound-for-gaza/2011/03/15/AByI6TX_story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 http://www.washingto...I6TX_story.html Why are Iranian crates always identified by English writing on the cases? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 The ship was trying to break Israel's blockade (which the U.N. has declared legal, for those who are always referencing the U.N.) UN has not declared whether it's legal or illegal. (for those who are interested in facts) After the Mavi Marmara raid, a United Nations panel found that Israel’s naval blockade was “legitimate self-defense and that Israel’s decision to intercept the flotilla was indeed legal under international law.” http://www.nytimes.c...ng-to-gaza.html The now completed UN Inquiry on last year’s Gaza flotilla incident aboard the Mavi Marmara found that Israel’s blockade of Hamas-ruled Gaza is legal http://fullcomment.n...iling-flotilla/ A long-awaited United Nations review of Israel’s 2010 raid on a Turkish-based flotilla in which nine passengers were killed has found that Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza is both legal and appropriate. http://www.nytimes.c...wanted=all&_r=0 A United Nations panel has found that Israel's naval blockade of Gaza is legal. http://www.npr.org/b...-raid-excessive I could go on, but I trust I've made my point. For those who are interested in facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Why are Iranian crates always identified by English writing on the cases? Many of those weapons were of US origin. The grenades and 60mm mortar shells for sure. It would be interesting to see how they ended up there as their lot number was from 2006, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Why are Iranian crates always identified by English writing on the cases? "Made in Britain" labels were attached to all of the crates, in an attempt to deceive whoever opened them. http://www.telegraph...-by-Israel.html Packing list of weapons cache found aboard the Victoria cargo ship including fuse type AZ111-A2manufactured solely by the Iranian armament industries ... ...guidebooks in Farsi were found on the ship along with other symbols of the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution, another indication that the Victoria was an Iranian attempt to shift the order of power in the Middle East. http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Terrorism+and+Islamic+Fundamentalism-/Israel_Navy_uncovers_weaponry_cargo_vessel_15-Mar-2011.htm Preliminary list of weaponry and weaponry systems discovered and unloaded at Ashdod port hidden in the cargo of the Victoria: 230 mortar shells (120 mm) 2,270 mortar shells (60 mm) 6 C-704 anti-ship missiles 2 radar systems manufactured in England 2 launchers 2 hydraulic mounting cranes for radar system 66,960 bullets for Kalashnikov rifles (7.62 mm) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peeves Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 We must thank bud for bringing this terrible attack on pro Arabs to our attention. Despicable carrying ons like this by Jews is unacceptable. They are obviously committing piracy and apartheid and genocide and looking for children's blood to use on Chanukah's celebrations when they murdered those poor Egyptians. Seems this behavior has been going on for millennium . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peeves Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 As for the claim that the Israeli blockade is illegal, this is patently not the case. The UN Secretary General himself created a panel of inquiry to examine the events surrounding the Mavi Marmara flotilla incident. The subsequent 2011 report by the Palmer Commission concluded that Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza is legal and Israel has the right to enforce the blockade, including in international waters. The findings thus far is that there is no humanitarian aid on the ship and the word I read is that Gaza doesn't need it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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