Muslim beheads Christian

[Shady]

Do you *like* peoples that you mock ? It seems like strange behavior.

Whatdoes liking or disliking anyone have to do with acknowledging reality?

Just as strange and as cowardly as mocking Muslims on a thread, then denying that you dislike them. It's odd behavior, I have to say.

Not as odd as denying reality the way you do. It's even more undeniable than climate change, so what's your problem?

Every religion is different, and has problems. Do you denigrate the others too ? Anti-Christians tend to denigrate the Catholic church based on their particular problems - is that all ok ?

If so, what's the point ? Where does discussion come from such an approach ?

Yes, every religion has different problems. But right now, Islam has a much greater problem with extremism. Why is this so hard for you to acknowledge?

[kraychik]

Personally, I have nothing against Muslims. No more or less than any other religion.

Islamists however are a different kettle of fish. There are Islamist cultures in many backward countries in the middle east.

As far as I am concerned by their acts I judge them. They are beasts, not men. Primitives who are barely above cannibalism and even that would not surprise me.

It's as if we discovered a jungle tribe of cavemen who through some accident were also Christians!

They are a disgrace not just to modern Muslims but to Mankind as a species.

We should treat them as the mad dogs they are!

Tell it to David Pearl!

Michael Hardner refuses to acknowledge the difference between Islam and Islamism.

Here's a funny video of a Michael Hardner type refusing to acknowledge the nature of Islamic fundamentalism/extremism:

[Shady]

Michael Hardner's position illustrated.

LOL!!! It's funny cause it's true!!!

[Michael Hardner]

Personally, I have nothing against Muslims. No more or less than any other religion.

Islamists however are a different kettle of fish.

Terrorists are the same to me whether they fight for religion or territory. It seems to me that some people just use it as an excuse to flout their own shortcomings.

[Michael Hardner]

Michael Hardner refuses to acknowledge the difference between Islam and Islamism.

Argument by video... not helpful. Plus it's ad homminem. If you can't argue with me without the help of a funny video, then your arguments are weak.

[Michael Hardner]

Whatdoes liking or disliking anyone have to do with acknowledging reality?

Admitting reality ? You mock people. Why don't you admit that you dislike them ? It's very strange that you don't.

Yes, every religion has different problems. But right now, Islam has a much greater problem with extremism. Why is this so hard for you to acknowledge?

There is a problem with extreme Islam, obviously. Does that make it necessary to mock people, demean them, or compare them to our culture dismissively ? If every religion has its problems what does it say about you if you pick one to mock ? I'll tell you: it means you don't like them.

I can admit Islam has a problem with extremism - can you admit that you just don't like them ?

[bleeding heart]

You literally think "ultra-conservative" Islamists have something in common with American/Canadian conservatives because they both share a word.

Now where the hell did you get that?

[kraychik]

Islam is much more than just a religion, though. That's the point you refuse to acknowledge. Moreover, we're speaking about Islamism, which is political Islam. There is an important distinction between Islam and Islamism, although they overlap greatly. It makes no difference to me or Shady what someone does or believes in their own private lives. What does make a difference to all of us, however, is how the ideology of Islamism manifests itself in today's world. What also matters is how leftists like you, Michael Hardner, pave the way for certain people to enter our societies who don't subscribe to our basic set of values (values which you would struggle to articulate, anyways), as well as how you wish to deal with them externally.

I guess you can't be blamed for not having a minimum standard for people when you don't even know what the minimum standard is...

[Topaz]

A Muslim in Tunisia beheads a Christian for the grave offense of becoming a Christian and refusing to renounce his faith. he did this while a crowd watched and did nothing. These are the people who are going to lead Egypt, Lybia and Tunisia and are supposedly our equals here in the west. This is leftist brainwashing and white guilt trips at work. These Muslims believe it is their duty to rid the world of Christians. Unbelieveable.

Which bothers you more that a muslim is doing it to a christian or the beheading?

[GostHacked]

Exactly. And intellectually dishonest people like Michael, just make these types of threads more common. Consider it blowback.

Speaking of intellectual dishonesty....

Your use of 'blowback' is incorrect for what you were trying to say.

[kraychik]

Speaking of intellectual dishonesty....

Your use of 'blowback' is incorrect for what you were trying to say.

He's obviously using it facetiously, and not in the classical and (and largely nonsensical) manner coined by the CIA.

Edited September 24, 2012 by kraychik

[Mr.Canada]

In any case, this thread is yet another example of somebody trying to tie extreme acts to every Muslim on the planet for the apparent purpose of feeling good about themselves. I have never been a fan of this overly emotional threads... if you want to bray and howl, you should just record it on mp3 and email it to each other.

I did no such thing Michael. I specifically said "these" Muslims to demonstrate that I never intended to blanket all Muslims. "These" Muslims being the important word. No where did I say or imply "all" Muslims.

[Michael Hardner]

Islam is much more than just a religion, though. That's the point you refuse to acknowledge.

I "refuse" to acknowledge ? Where exactly did I refuse to acknowledge that ?

It makes no difference to me or Shady what someone does or believes in their own private lives.

Then why would someone mock the entire religion ? Do you think it's fair to do that ?

What also matters is how leftists like you, Michael Hardner, pave the way for certain people to enter our societies who don't subscribe to our basic set of values (values which you would struggle to articulate, anyways), as well as how you wish to deal with them externally.

"Deal with" whom ? Islamists - this is your term, you brought it in. It sounds like they're criminals.

Why do you call me a leftist ? Why do you think I'm not interested in "dealing with them" ?

[Wild Bill]

Which bothers you more that a muslim is doing it to a christian or the beheading?

I would define it as a animal who practiced an extreme faith that happened to be based on Islam beheaded a human being.

I would no more blame all Muslims for such a crime than I would blame all Christians for the actions of Jim Jones and his "Drink my Kool-Aid" massacre.

That being said, I will not excuse a murderous animal just because he hides behind belonging to an extremist form of Islam. I will not let my condemnation of that animal and those like him to be deflected by falsely claiming it is an attack on all Muslims.

It is not. It IS an attack on an animal!

[bud]

wildbill? kraychick? shady? how do you feel about pressing a button that shoot rockets from drones which end up killing civilians? is the killing more civilized because it's high tech?

Edited September 25, 2012 by bud

[Mr.Canada]

wildbill? kraychick? shady? how do you feel about pressing a button that shoot rockets from drones which end up killing civilians? is the killing more civilized because it's high tech?

Lets keep this thread on topic please. Why not post your opinion on the thread topic instead of making up your own topic within my thread.

[dre]

What also matters is how leftists like you, Michael Hardner, pave the way for certain people to enter our societies who don't subscribe to our basic set of values (values which you would struggle to articulate, anyways)

Not sure why you would blame "leftists", for immigration. But I guess its not important since the "leftists" you are so obsessed with is just a silly caricature anyways. An imaginary group of people that only lives inside your head.

[Wild Bill]

wildbill? kraychick? shady? how do you feel about pressing a button that shoot rockets from drones which end up killing civilians? is the killing more civilized because it's high tech?

Apples and oranges, Bud. There are always collateral deaths in a war. Drones have reduced such to the lowest number per strike in Man's history!

There would be even fewer if the enemy did not use civilians as shields.

As I have said before, when America or Israel hit their enemy, they may unfortunately kill a few civilians around the target.

When a Islamist extremist straps on a bomb, civilians ARE the target!

To me, those who TARGET civilians are evil! Even if you could provide me with irrefutable evidence that America is doing this, it would not make be forgive those who use suicide bombers and the like.

[kraychik]

Apples and oranges, Bud. There are always collateral deaths in a war. Drones have reduced such to the lowest number per strike in Man's history!

There would be even fewer if the enemy did not use civilians as shields.

As I have said before, when America or Israel hit their enemy, they may unfortunately kill a few civilians around the target.

When a Islamist extremist straps on a bomb, civilians ARE the target!

To me, those who TARGET civilians are evil! Even if you could provide me with irrefutable evidence that America is doing this, it would not make be forgive those who use suicide bombers and the like.

Bud refuses to recognise the difference between the liquidation of Osama Bin Laden (his "human rights" were violated, according to Navi Pillay, head of the ridiculously named UN Human Rights Council) and suicide bombers detonating themselves in crowded markets.

[dre]

Considering you don't even know what conservatism entails, there's not really much point in continuing this dialogue, is there? You literally think "ultra-conservative" Islamists have something in common with American/Canadian conservatives because they both share a word. Nevermind the fact that the meaning of conservatism is contingent on context. Go do some political science 101, then get back to me.

The religious conservatives in the east are driven by the same thing religious conservatives in the west are. Motivated by the belief that contemporary liberalism results in a sinful and hedonistic culture and the desire to "return to the good old days". That doesnt mean they behave the same way of course. Our culture is different, but on a basic level the folks over there freaking out about women not wearing hijabs, and pushing for all kinds of laws against obsenity and sinful behavior - think the same way as the folks over here that were outraged about Janet Jacksons nipple showing on TV, and pushing for laws against obsenity over here.

So yes, the word applies to both and it means the same thing there as it does here.

These people are the same people pining for violence on both sides. Their conservatives are the ones calling for and supporting attacks on us, and ours are the ones calling for and supporting attacks by us on them.

I had this great idea for a TV reality show, where you chuck a bunch of their militant conservatives in some kind of stadium with a bunch of ours, and a healthy supply clubs, sticks, etc, and just watch what happens Wanted to call it "Conservadome". Preliminary research indicated that the ratings would be OFF THE CHARTS, but I hit a wall trying to tackle the licensing, regulatory, and legal issues

[dre]

When a Islamist extremist straps on a bomb, civilians ARE the target!

Maybe although these people have gone after national armies quite a bit as well. Russians, Americans, and many others. These are also to some degree the people taking on Dictators in the middle east right now as well, often with our support (like the FSA we are supporting in Syria which is a terrorist group with ties to Alqeada thats attack civilians all over Syria, christians in particular).

Never the less Civilians are the target on pretty much every major war no matter who is involved, which is why they always account for most of the casualties. Remember "Shock and Awe" in Bagdhad? Well that wasnt a military base, it was a city full of civilians. Civilians and civilian infrastructure were targeted - roads, bridges, hospitals, water and electrical infrastructure.