Boges Posted September 18, 2012 Report Posted September 18, 2012 http://o.canada.com/2012/09/17/maple-leaf-taken-down-again-from-quebec-legislature-with-pq-entering-office/ QUEBEC — The Canadian flag was removed from its spot inside the Quebec legislature as members of the pro-independence Parti Quebecois took the oath of office Monday.The removal of the Maple Leaf was part of a longstanding see-saw ritual: it had been long absent in the legislature but was restored nine years ago when Jean Charest’s Liberals took office and placed it next to the Quebec flag at the Speaker’s chair in the building’s ceremonial chamber. It was gone again Monday as the PQ’s 54-member, minority-government caucus took the oath of office in the ornate old upper chamber, known as the Red Room, where the Quebec Fleur-de-lis was once again standing alone. The PQ officially takes office Wednesday, when premier-designate Pauline Marois will introduce her cabinet. I'm actually rather offended by this. Quebec gets a lot of money from the ROC and Miss Marois wants Stephen Harper to give them more. The more they do crap like this the more anti-Quebec sentiment will grow and any separation talk will be met with a loud "Meh, don't let the Labrador hit you on the way out" Quote
g_bambino Posted September 18, 2012 Report Posted September 18, 2012 I'm actually rather offended by this. I mostly ambivalent about it; my primary feeling is that it's just silly. And I think that's how everyone should treat it. We all know the sovereigntist schtick now; it's been nearly forty years: "Give us, the independent people of Quebec, more money and fuck off!... 'Till we want more. Or else, it's buh-bye!" Yawn. So glad that oath to the Queen is constitutionally enshrined. Quote
The_Squid Posted September 18, 2012 Report Posted September 18, 2012 Very petty move by the new PQ government. Quote
jacee Posted September 18, 2012 Report Posted September 18, 2012 Very petty move by the new PQ government. Not quite as significant as Harper's blatant hatred of the constitution. He'll be a fool if he tries to criticize the PQ for this. Quote
wyly Posted September 18, 2012 Report Posted September 18, 2012 http://o.canada.com/2012/09/17/maple-leaf-taken-down-again-from-quebec-legislature-with-pq-entering-office/ I'm actually rather offended by this. Quebec gets a lot of money from the ROC and Miss Marois wants Stephen Harper to give them more. The more they do crap like this the more anti-Quebec sentiment will grow and any separation talk will be met with a loud "Meh, don't let the Labrador hit you on the way out" silly games designed to provoke a reaction...it only offends if you give a crap about symbolism and let it bother you... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Boges Posted September 18, 2012 Author Report Posted September 18, 2012 silly games designed to provoke a reaction...it only offends if you give a crap about symbolism and let it bother you... I think it's a spit in the face of the ROC. If Quebec wants respect from the ROC this is the worst thing they could do. Quote
jacee Posted September 18, 2012 Report Posted September 18, 2012 I think it's a spit in the face of the ROC. If Quebec wants respect from the ROC this is the worst thing they could do. If Harper wants respect from the ROC, spitting on the constitution is the worst he could do. Quote
Boges Posted September 18, 2012 Author Report Posted September 18, 2012 If Harper wants respect from the ROC, spitting on the constitution is the worst he could do. You'd have to cite what you're referring to. I'm not talking about Harper anyway. Quote
Wild Bill Posted September 18, 2012 Report Posted September 18, 2012 I think it's a spit in the face of the ROC. If Quebec wants respect from the ROC this is the worst thing they could do. I agree and I am sure so do many other Canadians in TROC. The PQ are playing to their internal audience - their supporters in Quebec. This is very shallow "only one move deep" type of thinking. If someday they do find themselves negotiating a separation agreement with TROC this is the sort of thing that is remembered. In effect, they should be aware that what pleases their local support can spark anger in the people with whom they must strike an agreement. Perhaps they know this and realize that the antipathy toward Quebec if it was leaving will be so great that it will not matter. As I have said many times before, the moment Quebec leaves it will have nothing to offer any party in power in Ottawa. There will be no seats available from Quebec. The only way for a party to take power will be to please enough voters in enough seats in what's left of Canada. Canadians in TROC will not likely be in a good mood. Any governing party that is seen as being "nice" to Quebec in any negotiations will likely face a good deal of wrath from the only people left who can continue to vote them into office! A divorce is rarely amiable - a divorce of a province from a country is even less likely to be so. Marois seems like a very shallow thinker indeed if she believes she can take the rest of Canada for granted. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
jacee Posted September 19, 2012 Report Posted September 19, 2012 (edited) You'd have to cite what you're referring to. I'm not talking about Harper anyway. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=21512&view=findpost&p=831221 Respect ... PQ doesn't like the flag, PM Harper doesn't like the constitution. Edited September 19, 2012 by jacee Quote
Wild Bill Posted September 19, 2012 Report Posted September 19, 2012 http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=21512&view=findpost&p=831221 Respect ... PQ doesn't like the flag, PM Harper doesn't like the constitution. Jaycee, a LOT of people don't like many things about our Constitution! What's the big deal? That's democracy, after all. I was a young lad when it all happened. What did you think was going on? A constitution was worked out all in peace, love and harmony, with the entire populace all in agreement and deliriously happy? It was nothing of the sort! Trudeau and his Liberals rammed it through by virtue of their political power. There were many dissenting voices over a number of aspects of the Constitution and the Charter that were just quashed or ignored. Ask Quebec how they felt about the process! I'm not sure what you expected out of Harper. A giant party? Guaranteed to open up old wounds? With a new PQ government in Quebec, that would have gone over beautifully! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
CANADIEN Posted September 19, 2012 Report Posted September 19, 2012 (edited) Jaycee, a LOT of people don't like many things about our Constitution! What's the big deal? That's democracy, after all. I was a young lad when it all happened. What did you think was going on? A constitution was worked out all in peace, love and harmony, with the entire populace all in agreement and deliriously happy? It was nothing of the sort! Trudeau and his Liberals rammed it through by virtue of their political power. There were many dissenting voices over a number of aspects of the Constitution and the Charter that were just quashed or ignored. Ask Quebec how they felt about the process! I'm not sure what you expected out of Harper. A giant party? Guaranteed to open up old wounds? With a new PQ government in Quebec, that would have gone over beautifully! Harper's lack of shall we say enthoousiasm about the Charter has little to do with Quebec. He and a number of his partisans just don't like how it provides for a check on government actions through Courts aoolying it. Edited September 19, 2012 by CANADIEN Quote
CANADIEN Posted September 19, 2012 Report Posted September 19, 2012 The PQ takes the Maple Leaf out again... Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnn Quote
wyly Posted September 19, 2012 Report Posted September 19, 2012 I think it's a spit in the face of the ROC. If Quebec wants respect from the ROC this is the worst thing they could do. the separatists don't want respect from canada, they want to leave canada... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Boges Posted September 19, 2012 Author Report Posted September 19, 2012 (edited) http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=21512&view=findpost&p=831221 Respect ... PQ doesn't like the flag, PM Harper doesn't like the constitution. Wait are you talking about the constitution or the Charter of Rights and Freedoms? That thing PET brought us that we really didn't need 30 years ago. Edited September 19, 2012 by Boges Quote
Boges Posted September 19, 2012 Author Report Posted September 19, 2012 the separatists don't want respect from canada, they want to leave canada... Yet they still accept equalization payments. Hypocrites much. Quote
gunrutz Posted September 19, 2012 Report Posted September 19, 2012 Yet they still accept equalization payments. Hypocrites much. Payments? What payments, that's all money from Quebecer's, none of it comes from anywhere else, they are entitled, where's Cybercoma, you clearly need a lecture. Quote
wyly Posted September 19, 2012 Report Posted September 19, 2012 Yet they still accept equalization payments. Hypocrites much. as long as they're part of canada they're entitled to them there's no hypocrisy in that...they fully realize that will end if they leave, they're not so naive to believe canadians will accept continued equalization ...and in the end the voters will think with their heads and not their hearts and remain in canada, there is no upside economically with separation for quebec... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
g_bambino Posted September 19, 2012 Report Posted September 19, 2012 as long as they're part of canada they're entitled to them there's no hypocrisy in that... No. But, how about when they expect more than their alotted share? As well as unique powers. Quote
g_bambino Posted September 19, 2012 Report Posted September 19, 2012 I was a young lad when it all happened. What did you think was going on? A constitution was worked out all in peace, love and harmony, with the entire populace all in agreement and deliriously happy?It was nothing of the sort! Trudeau and his Liberals rammed it through by virtue of their political power. You and Trudeau were around in the 1860s?? Regardless, even if you mistook either the date of the patriation of the constitution or the nature of it, nothing was "rammed through" in 1982; in fact, Trudeau's threats that he would do just that were countered by no less than the relevant authorities in the British parliament, eight provincial premiers, and the Supreme Court of Canada. Quote
g_bambino Posted September 19, 2012 Report Posted September 19, 2012 Wait are you talking about the constitution or the Charter of Rights and Freedoms? What do you mean "or"? The Charter is part of the constitution. Quote
wyly Posted September 19, 2012 Report Posted September 19, 2012 No. But, how about when they expect more than their alotted share? As well as unique powers. more than their alotted share,no...unique powers, why not, they're a unique province.... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
g_bambino Posted September 19, 2012 Report Posted September 19, 2012 more than their alotted share,no... Fair enough. But, the sovereigntists do demand it. unique powers, why not, they're a unique province.... So is Newfoundland and Labrador. So is Saskatchewan. Special powers for everyone? Quote
PIK Posted September 19, 2012 Report Posted September 19, 2012 Nothing to see here people move along. It is just rude people doing thier rude thing. It is what we expect them to do. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
wyly Posted September 19, 2012 Report Posted September 19, 2012 Fair enough. But, the sovereigntists do demand it. So is Newfoundland and Labrador. Sas in alo is Saskatchewan. Special powers for everyone? as in all negotiations you need to draw a line somewhere, so no more cash than deserved... the others are not unique as quebec is imo...i've no issues with a nation within a nation, it works in spain and and the netherlands so our situation is not unique Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
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