cybercoma Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) I thought this might be a good article to read and perhaps have some discussion about the ideological pigeon-holing that's going on in the US with the Culture Wars over the last 30 some odd years. I always imagined that I was full of heart, but it turned out that I was oblivious. Like so many Republicans, I had assumed that society’s “losers” had somehow earned their desserts. As I came to recognize that poverty is not earned or chosen or deserved, and that our use of force is far less precise than I had believed, I realized with a shock that I had effectively viewed whole swaths of the country and the world as second-class people.Read the full article here: http://www.thenation.com/article/169833/confessions-former-republican# Edited September 13, 2012 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 that's the best opinion piece I've read in a very, very long time ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitsy Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 I wish I could have said it as eloquently. I woke up after Reagan's first term for many of the same reasons; I think I ignored much during his first term but the impact that the religious right was having on Texas became so apparent during his second that it bcame impossible to ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 I wish I could have said it as eloquently. I woke up after Reagan's first term for many of the same reasons; I think I ignored much during his first term but the impact that the religious right was having on Texas became so apparent during his second that it bcame impossible to ignore. Bitsy...curious to know...Is Texas considered part of the bible belt? Is God and Country as prevalant as say SC , Alabama et al? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 Bitsy...curious to know...Is Texas considered part of the bible belt? Is God and Country as prevalant as say SC , Alabama et al? Excuse me, but how would Bitsy know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 Excuse me, but how would Bitsy know? I understand she lives in Texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 Excuse me, but how would Bitsy know? She is from Texas I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 She is from Texas I believe. So that makes her an expert? - about SC and Alabama et al, too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 So that makes her an expert? - about SC and Alabama et al, too? Seriously? BitsyIf so, where? I am 70+ years old and have lived my entire life in the state of Texas; I thought so ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 Seriously? I thought so ! So living in Texas makes one knowledgeable about SC and Alabama et al? Seriously. So what if another Texan disagrees with her? Seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 So that makes her an expert? - about SC and Alabama et al, too? no one asked for an 'expert' opinion. who would be an expert on this anyway? would anyone who lives in those state automatically become an expert on their state? are you an expert on anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 no one asked for an 'expert' opinion. who would be an expert on this anyway? would anyone who lives in those state automatically become an expert on their state? are you an expert on anything? Glad you asked. I'm an expert on everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted September 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 Seriously... don't encourage American Woman to act like an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) So living in Texas makes one knowledgeable about SC and Alabama et al? Seriously. So what if another Texan disagrees with her? Seriously. Well for one, I never asked for a professional opinion. Secondly , Living 70 yrs in one state, and presumably, she has visited others and knows something about the states around her. Thirdly, she has posted in an informed manner which makes me believe she is knowledgeable. Fourth, it was an innocent question relating to nothing that was posted but was related to something that was crossing my mind. Ergo, seriously ? Unless there was/is a reason for the question, I truly feel that was an apt reply I gave. Edited September 13, 2012 by guyser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 Seriously... don't encourage American Woman to act like an idiot. that means i shouldn't ask her to respond to any posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 Well for one, I never asked for a professional opinion. Secondly , Living 70 yrs in one state, and presumably, she has visited others and knows something about the states around her. Thirdly, she has posted in an informed manner which makes me believe she is knowledgeable. Fourth, it was an innocent question relating to nothing that was posted but was related to something that was crossing my mind. Ergo, seriously ? Unless there was/is a reason for the question, I truly feel that was an apt reply I gave. Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 That was a great article. This fella has a LOT of experience that gives him excellent insight into Iraq, Katrina, detainees, Abu Gharaib, Guantanamo... Very interesting.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 Seriously? What is your problem? Holy crap!! Can't someone ask another poster about their experiences in their homeland? If she doesn't know, then she will reply that she doesn't know.... or you can disagree with her when she replies.... but to jump all over a relatively innocuous question strikes me as odd... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 Good read on that article. very well written and expresses some of my thoughts quite well. Even when you ask Americans about America, AW still has an issue with it. Strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 What is your problem? Holy crap!! Can't someone ask another poster about their experiences in their homeland? If she doesn't know, then she will reply that she doesn't know.... or you can disagree with her when she replies.... but to jump all over a relatively innocuous question strikes me as odd... That you conclude that I'm "jumping all over" the question strikes me as odd. Guess it's all relative, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) Good read on that article. very well written and expresses some of my thoughts quite well. Even when you ask Americans about America, AW still has an issue with it. Strange. Yep. Considering how many have told AW that living in the U.S. doesn't give her opinion any validity. But I don't expect you to 'get it.' I thought guyser might, but .... oh well. C'est la vie. Edited September 13, 2012 by American Woman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 That you conclude that I'm "jumping all over" the question strikes me as odd. Guess it's all relative, eh? Your posts are a strange mix of innuendo and smiley icons... reading between the lines, that was my conclusion. If you don't have a problem with the question, then dispense with the silly posts. If you do, then stop beating around the bush and have the guts to say what you mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 Your posts are a strange mix of innuendo and smiley icons... reading between the lines, that was my conclusion. If you don't have a problem with the question, then dispense with the silly posts. If you do, then stop beating around the bush and have the guts to say what you mean. In case it escaped you, I was actually responding to guyser; and just for future reference, I'll post however I like. Don't like it? Don't respond. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 In case it escaped you, I was actually responding to guyser; and just for future reference, I'll post however I like. Don't like it? Don't respond. Thank you. If I don't like it, I will respond that I don't like it and I will let you know why.... Excuse me, but how would Bitsy know? If you could wait until Bitsy answers the question, if she chooses to do so, then you would see whether she has an intelligible answer to Guyser's question and discussion about the topic could flourish... instead you insinuate that she doesn't know before the conversation even starts... add some passive-aggressive emoticons, and drama ensues! I for one am eager to hear what Bitsy says about the topic.... because, from all I have seen, she is probably the best person on this forum to be able to answer such a question! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 I thought this might be a good article to read and perhaps have some discussion about the ideological pigeon-holing that's going on in the US with the Culture Wars over the last 30 some odd years.A lot of sentimental nonsense that does not address the core issues: the big spending policies of the last 40 years are not sustainable in the long run. Government budgets must be balanced and the ability to tax is limited. This means a responsible government cannot afford to worry about every sob story out there. The republicans are the only party which at least acknowledges the problem even if their no-tax increase obsession is part of the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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