LIBERAL (!) guilt in Robo-calling

BubberMiley · August 25, 2012

Oh, sorry. I...wait a minute!

The comments made by the caller were slanderous,misleading and dishonest...

See? You made an accusation there.

Edited August 25, 2012 by BubberMiley

Fletch 27 · August 25, 2012

Omg..... Dude... Simply Google... That is a statement by the candidate... I was what we call "repeating"....

Facts are:. Liberal guilt, admits guilt, provided imaginary name, possible other candidate involvement? Collusion, lies, etc.etc. NO other part was charged, convicted and fined. The libs have alot of explaining to do regarding manipulating the electoral process...

Oh, sorry. I...wait a minute!

See? You made an accusation there.

madmax · August 25, 2012

Big whoop, at least they admitted to doing it.

Yes, its a big goof up/mistake and I am glad they quickly admitted it. There are people in charge during a campaign who are suppose to make sure this doesn't happen. And when it does, someone has to answer for it.

BubberMiley · August 25, 2012

Omg..... Dude... Simply Google... That is a statement by the candidate... I was what we call "repeating"....

Omg...dude...not only did you not "repeat" an allegation, because nobody accused anybody of slander, you didn't use quotation marks so the allegation is your own.

Now you could be the one charged with libel. See how that works? :lol:

Fletch 27 · August 25, 2012

Is providing a fake name a goof up?? Ahhhhhhhhh yes, happens to me allllllll the time too. Just a mistake... No deception implied..... Silly me....

The liberals admitted to providing a fake name..... Why would the caller need a fake name? Let's just add misrepresentation to the list as well.

Yes, its a big goof up/mistake and I am glad they quickly admitted it. There are people in charge during a campaign who are suppose to make sure this doesn't happen. And when it does, someone has to answer for it.

BubberMiley · August 25, 2012

Silly me....

I don't know if that's an excuse for libel. Since we can add deception and misrepresentation to your list as well, are you sure you never organized any telephone campaigns during an election?

Fletch 27 · August 25, 2012

Not at all, I'm too busy busting unions

I don't know if that's an excuse for libel. Since we can add deception and misrepresentation to your list as well, are you sure you never organized any telephone campaigns during an election?

waldo · August 25, 2012

The liberal incumbent in Guelph was just found guilty and handed a fine for misleading voters and may face possible libel suit. Frank Veliote...... Why do you have say for yourself?

- the Guelph Federal Liberal Association was found to be in violation of particular 'Unsolicited Telecommunications Rules within the Telecommunications Act.'. This is the CRTC regulatory body... the proper verbiage is compliance/violation => Guelph Federal Liberal Association in violation of Unsolicited Telecommunications Rules

- there was no fine for, as you say, "misleading voters". The CRTC does not have regulations that align with your false assertion. The fine levied against the Guelph Federal Liberal Association was for violations of the 'Unsolicited Telecommunications Rules'; most particularly, in relation to calls made over a specific one hour period, for failing to, "identify on whose behalf the call was made; provide necessary call-back information; and display the originating telephone number or an alternate number where the originator could be reached."

- what is/what would be, the basis for a, as you say, "possible libel suit"?

It will be interesting to see if the PC candidate moves ahead with a slander suite....

The comments made by the caller were slanderous,misleading and dishonest... Let's not gloss over that please...

- what is/what would be, the basis for the, as you say, "slander suite(sic)"?

scribblet · August 25, 2012

Hmmm 3/7 In March 2012 the Lib. MP said that his campaign did not break any of the rules and that it was a “issue-based call” (Sun News, March 12, 2012).

So when's the by election for Guelph now that the Liberals have been fined for robo calling. Really, whoda thunk it after months of innuendo and allegations so far the only illegal activity is from the Liberals! and guess what, the Liberal MP has to undertake a "comprehensive compliance program."

I mean really - How many votes were improperly swayed as a result of this illegal behaviour? Who in the Liberal leadership knew about this, how high up did go, and - When will the Guelph bye lection be held. :rolleyes:

Edited August 25, 2012 by scribblet

TheNewTeddy · August 25, 2012

The Liberals never attempted to take away democracy.

Regardless, all parties last election did robo-calling that was unethical, and considering they all got away with it, they'll be doing it next time tenfold.

madmax · August 25, 2012

Hmmm So when's the by election for Guelph now that the Liberals have been fined for robo calling. Really, whoda thunk it after months of innuendo and allegations so far the only illegal activity is from the Liberals! and guess what, the Liberal MP has to undertake a "comprehensive compliance program."

I mean really - How many votes were improperly swayed as a result of this illegal behaviour? Who in the Liberal leadership knew about this, how high up did go, and - When will the Guelph bye lection be held.

Should be interesting.....

Perhaps you are onto the right thing to do.....

However, I also think that the CRTC decision should go to Elections Canada and be added to the investigation of the voter fraud, and voter misdirection.

Any Christian Conservative would think the same....

scribblet · August 25, 2012

Should be interesting.....

Perhaps you are onto the right thing to do.....

However, I also think that the CRTC decision should go to Elections Canada and be added to the investigation of the voter fraud, and voter misdirection.

Any Christian Conservative would think the same....

Gosh, wouldn't a non Christian conservative also think the same...

BubberMiley · August 25, 2012

I agree with Scribblet. Bi-elections in every riding where the winning candidate is demonstrated by Elections Canada to have broken the rules.

Edited August 25, 2012 by BubberMiley

waldo · August 25, 2012

Any Christian Conservative would think the same....
Gosh, wouldn't a non Christian conservative also think the same...

uhhh... if you're going to posture over Guelph, you better acquaint yourself with the players - just who is Christian Conservative, hey?

waldo · August 25, 2012

So when's the by election for Guelph now that the Liberals have been fined for robo calling.
I mean really - How many votes were improperly swayed as a result of this illegal behaviour? Who in the Liberal leadership knew about this, how high up did go, and - When will the Guelph bye lection be held.

trolling suits you! I trust you will take your concerns to Elections Canada - insist that the riding was lost to the Conservatives (by 6000 votes) due to the Liberal robo-calls (over a single hour period) that specifically addressed... and only addressed... the abortion issue, most particularly the false statements being made by the Conservative candidate as well as the actual position on abortion the Conservative candidate held. Are you (also) stating that the abortion specific content of the robocalls was inaccurate?

Shakeyhands · August 25, 2012

Hmmm 3/7 In March 2012 the Lib. MP said that his campaign did not break any of the rules and that it was a “issue-based call” (Sun News, March 12, 2012).

So when's the by election for Guelph now that the Liberals have been fined for robo calling. Really, whoda thunk it after months of innuendo and allegations so far the only illegal activity is from the Liberals! and guess what, the Liberal MP has to undertake a "comprehensive compliance program."

I mean really - How many votes were improperly swayed as a result of this illegal behaviour? Who in the Liberal leadership knew about this, how high up did go, and - When will the Guelph bye lection be held.

I'm at a loss to understand what other people (read: Conservative Supporters) don't understand about the difference in the two types of investigations. Surely people understand the difference in breaking a CRTC rule (and admitting it right away) and breaking an Elections Canada rule by misdirecting Liberal and NDP voters to non existent polling stations as to interfere with their right to vote... No?

I see the sarcasm in your post Scribblet, but I assume you do know the difference?

punked · August 25, 2012

I agree with Scribblet. Bi-elections in every riding where the winning candidate is demonstrated by Elections Canada to have broken the rules.

No one here violated the election act, this wasn't an elections Canada investigation, this was a completely unrelated violation of the telemarketing rules. While these are "rules" they are designed to stop those terrible marketing calls you get by forcing the caller to identify who they are calling from. In the heat of a campaign sometimes you forget the small stuff, that is all this is. It really isn't a big deal all it really shows in how far the Liberal Machine has fallen and failed to keep up with the times nothing else.

scribblet · August 25, 2012

Yeah I was being a tad facetious I know the difference. But really, that's nit picking. How do we know people weren't swayed into voting differently, and you do know had it been a Conservative candidate, it would be all different, there would be demands for a by-elect and on and on :rolleyes:

WWWTT · August 25, 2012

No one here violated the election act, this wasn't an elections Canada investigation, this was a completely unrelated violation of the telemarketing rules. While these are "rules" they are designed to stop those terrible marketing calls you get by forcing the caller to identify who they are calling from. In the heat of a campaign sometimes you forget the small stuff, that is all this is. It really isn't a big deal all it really shows in how far the Liberal Machine has fallen and failed to keep up with the times nothing else.

Yep pretty much sums it all up here.

A CRTC decision has nothing to do with elections Canada.

Anyone who gets a robo call can complain to the CRTC and they will investigate.Does not have to be about an upcoming election.Most complaints I will assume are about relentless advertising.

WWWTT

WWWTT · August 25, 2012

Yeah I was being a tad facetious I know the difference. But really, that's nit picking. How do we know people weren't swayed into voting differently, and you do know had it been a Conservative candidate, it would be all different, there would be demands for a by-elect and on and on

Ya and the conservatives here now are not saying a peep about this?

:rolleyes:

WWWTT

Topaz · August 25, 2012

In my view, Harper wants to get rid of the Liberals and make the federal elections for TWO party system, paving the way for the TORIES to be the seating governments for a very very long time. Have you noticed how he goes after the liberals more than the NDP? Then, there is the changes to election funding, which hurt more the other parties than the Tories.

punked · August 25, 2012

In my view, Harper wants to get rid of the Liberals and make the federal elections for TWO party system, paving the way for the TORIES to be the seating governments for a very very long time. Have you noticed how he goes after the liberals more than the NDP? Then, there is the changes to election funding, which hurt more the other parties than the Tories.

Yah that worked so well in Britain and Australia. Labour has spent plenty of time in power in fact right now they are only out of power because the Liberals love the Conservative government.

waldo · August 25, 2012

How do we know people weren't swayed into voting differently...

accepting to the violation of regulatory rules, you didn't answer the earlier question as to the accuracy of the calls content; again, "Are you (also) stating that the abortion specific content of the robocalls was inaccurate?"... that your questioned "possible voters swayed" resulted from inaccuracies within the abortion specific content of the message content? Accordingly, if that is your assertion, what were the inaccuracies within the abortion specific statement content of the calls?

Fletch 27 · August 25, 2012

Ahhhhhhhhh... I understand you now "punked"..... Liberal lies are okay.. Guiot is only for the other parties..... Fraud and lies are aok in your books.

Noted...

No one here violated the election act, this wasn't an elections Canada investigation, this was a completely unrelated violation of the telemarketing rules. While these are "rules" they are designed to stop those terrible marketing calls you get by forcing the caller to identify who they are calling from. In the heat of a campaign sometimes you forget the small stuff, that is all this is. It really isn't a big deal all it really shows in how far the Liberal Machine has fallen and failed to keep up with the times nothing else.

waldo · August 25, 2012

Fraud and lies

notwithstanding you haven't addressed the request for you to clarify your earlier assertions of 'slander' and 'libel', in regards the referenced violation of CRTC regulatory rules, what fraud and lies are you further asserting? - slander? - libel? - fraud? - lies?