Homeschooling

Argus · August 3, 2012

The fact that there are four people on here who think homeschooling is better than public schooling makes me fear for this country and causes me to vomit. This country is going downhill fast.

Was it a chunky vomit or a more liquid type? What colour was it?

Argus · August 3, 2012

No what they need is immersion in the language (rather than segregation in a class full of other kids that also don't speak English), and it takes a year or two at most to catch up when you are a young child and have the ability to quickly learn languages.

And is that what the other kids who already understand English need? Do they need to have the teacher stop and repeat everything they say several times, and go back and forth between the various confused ESL students to make sure they got it right before continuing? Do the kids who understood the first time and are now bored and playing tic tac toe or passing notes to each other need that?

Argus · August 3, 2012

Proof? Oh, none? Typical right wing ranter.

What proof have you offered up about anything at all?

socialist · August 3, 2012

I only know of one family that did home schooling, a very progressive left wing family, the mother did all the teaching and the kids turned out exceptionally well...

I would be OK with homeschooling if done by tolerant, left wing, progressive parents. I guess there are exceptions to everything. Public schools, I am learning, are thankfully very progressive and up to date with the current world we live in.

CPCFTW · August 4, 2012

Regardless of whether or not ESL is a learning disability, the point was only raised as some sort of evidence of the efficacy of public schools. However, if we're measuring the efficacy of education on the results of standardized testing, anyone who has attended a public schools in the past 2 decades could tell you that it is ESL asian students who dominate math standardized testing, so the learning disability argument is moot.

wyly · August 4, 2012

Erm... FYI all 7 kids mentioned in my example turnout exceptionally well. A kid has to be very crafty and smart to get through without learning how to read.... and once it was discovered.... well, you can imagine the extra effort put forth to get her up to speed...

12 yrs old and can't read...so for 6-7 yrs the parents had no clue that's a complete failure...i question whether the others did as well as you claim...

CPCFTW · August 4, 2012

I would be OK with homeschooling if done by tolerant, left wing, progressive parents. I guess there are exceptions to everything. Public schools, I am learning, are thankfully very progressive and up to date with the current world we live in.

Yes, ban people from homeschooling unless they align with your political beliefs. Thanks for your input Stalin.

Bonam · August 4, 2012

And is that what the other kids who already understand English need? Do they need to have the teacher stop and repeat everything they say several times, and go back and forth between the various confused ESL students to make sure they got it right before continuing? Do the kids who understood the first time and are now bored and playing tic tac toe or passing notes to each other need that?

No, of course not. And the teacher does not need to repeat themselves. It's not like they are actually transmitting any information that is actually worth "learning" in the first place. Being immersed in the language is enough, whether the teacher chooses to repeat themselves or not.

By the way, the issue of some kids being bored while others don't understand is much more often determined by simple lack of attention or differences in intelligence. I spent 99% of my time in school bored out of my mind, and it wasn't because of ESL kids. The spread of speed of understanding between the fastest learners and the slowest learners (not even including people with any kind of recognized learning disabilities) is immense, and it is frankly impossible for the scenario you mentioned to not be the case.

bleeding heart · August 6, 2012

Another issue right out of the far left playbook, you do know that most of us have heard this before, and many times at that, we also understand the underlying desire to force everyone to the same level under the guise of other things.

Don't paint us all with the same brush...or we're gonna get "kraychik" on you!

Edited August 6, 2012 by bleeding heart

Argus · August 6, 2012

No, of course not. And the teacher does not need to repeat themselves. It's not like they are actually transmitting any information that is actually worth "learning" in the first place. Being immersed in the language is enough, whether the teacher chooses to repeat themselves or not.

No, it's simply not. They're not in the class to 'be immersed' in the language. They're in the class to learn what the teacher is teaching, be it Math, History, Science, or whatnot. Learning English is, of course, necessary, but if they don't understand the teacher and the teacher doesn't repeat his or herself then they're going to fail the course.

Argus · August 6, 2012

I would be OK with homeschooling if done by tolerant, left wing, progressive parents.

Seems to me we have a topic around here on a study showing that Left wing progressive people are less tolerant than anyone else...

socialist · August 7, 2012

Seems to me we have a topic around here on a study showing that Left wing progressive people are less tolerant than anyone else...

A study by whom? Sun News? Faux News. Your post is utterly stupid. Progressives are the most tolerant people in north america. that is the truth.

Bonam · August 7, 2012

No, it's simply not. They're not in the class to 'be immersed' in the language. They're in the class to learn what the teacher is teaching, be it Math, History, Science, or whatnot. Learning English is, of course, necessary, but if they don't understand the teacher and the teacher doesn't repeat his or herself then they're going to fail the course.

In what universe does someone actually learn math, science, or history in grade school? It is nothing but glorified daycare. You can learn more from a few hour session randomly reading wikipedia than you do in a year of school.

wyly · August 7, 2012

Regardless of whether or not ESL is a learning disability, the point was only raised as some sort of evidence of the efficacy of public schools. However, if we're measuring the efficacy of education on the results of standardized testing, anyone who has attended a public schools in the past 2 decades could tell you that it is ESL asian students who dominate math standardized testing, so the learning disability argument is moot.

wowzer now there's a racial stereotype I haven't seen for a while...despite all evidence to the contrary that ESL students definitively place behind their classmates you come up with that gem...hey maybe you should start informing all the private schools they don't need to worry about admitting ESL kids and lowering their grade average...

betsy · August 7, 2012

I am calling on all provincial governments to make homeschooling illegal in all provinces much the same way as the great country of Sweden is doing. Public school for all students is needed to maintain a healthy democracy. it's scary to think what some parents might be teaching their kids at home. government run public schools make education equal for all and there is no hate, bigotry, or intolerance being taught at public schools. we need to get kids into government run daycares by the age of 1 so that their minds can be molded correctly. the less influence parents have the better society will be. we dont know what kinds of bad things kids learn at homes. this country cannot afford to lose teachers because of homeschoolers. i am glad to see even backwards Alberta is doing some great things to make homeschooling harder. im glad that the ndp in manitoba are thinking about taking the recommendation of manitobas teacher union to not allow parents to keep their kids of so-called sensitive but very important classes. mcguinty has been doing great things to advance public schools. im not pleased with his latest negotioations. his minister laurel broten needs to ease up. i could care less if ontario is in debt. cutting back on education to save the province a few bucks is dead wrong. PUBLIC EDUCATION=PROPER DEMOCRACY.

If it's at all possible, I'd even call for the government to make it mandatory that the children be homeschooled for the most part of the early years! Maybe until they're 8 years of age!

Agenda by the lefties (in partnership with the secularists) to indoctrinate our children had really corrupted our school system!

If I was whining about how much time kids are spending on field trips and sports compared to the actual time of learning reading, writing, and rithmetic......looks like there's another reason now to further squander time - by brainwashing our children!

And that's not to mention squandering taxpayers' money!

Seeing that the necessity to have both parents working these days - families, churches and neighborhoods should organize their own home-schooling alternatives!

I was seeing red when I saw this in the news. And that's no pun!

TORONTO - “Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.” — Vladimir Lenin

One school seems to be sowing the seeds of hate against the Jews.

Another seems to be training third graders to learn how to be professional protesters against capitalism and The Harper government.

Who needs that boring reading, writing and arithmetic?

Since taxpayers are helping with the existence of both, should the Toronto District School Board tolerate such madness?

And should the Children’s Aid Society be called in?

“Children have a strong sense of justice and empathy,” reads a news release from The Grove Community Alternative School. “They recognize the unfairness of putting a pipeline through indigenous territory without consent.”

Really? These kids are eight.

Do they teach them that their running shoes come from a polluting country like China or do they know the plastic trucks on their displayed papier mache pipeline prop are made from oil products?

At eight, they shouldn’t have to know any of that.

Or have an opinion on anything.

Yet here’s this teacher with earrings and a ring through his nose leading 17 of them in a demonstration against the Enbridge Northern Gateway pipeline outside the Toronto Public Library on Queen St. in Parkdale Monday.

“The teach-in comes at a time when the federal government attempts to squeeze concerned citizens to the fringes of society,” says a news release.

This was happening during school hours.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/05/07/what-are-they-teaching-our-kids

Edited August 7, 2012 by betsy

betsy · August 7, 2012

This is not the 1800s. with great public schools everywhere homeschooling is plain wrong because we dont know what kind of bad things those kids will learn at home.

But we definitely know what inappropriate things are being taught in schools these days! Yeah this is not the 1800s....this is more like....Iron Curtain Russia Revisited! :lol:

"Education" actually means indoctrination. Re-programs.

betsy · August 7, 2012

Oh boy, then all you need to have as an icing on the cake.....MAJORITY win for the Socialist/Communist Party! :lol:

Edited August 7, 2012 by betsy

betsy · August 7, 2012

socialist, on 01 August 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:
we need to get kids into government run daycares by the age of 1 so that their minds can be molded correctly.

This isn't funny, folks. Socialist isn't the only one having this wet-dream. At least Socialist is being open about this...

I'm telling you, they're salivating to get their hands on the children. That's why I'm totally opposed to universal daycares.

bleeding heart · August 7, 2012

This isn't funny, folks. Socialist isn't the only one having this wet-dream. At least Socialist is being open about this...

I'm telling you, they're salivating to get their hands on the children. That's why I'm totally opposed to universal daycares.

On the contrary, poster socialist really is very nearly alone in his views on this subject.

Haven't you been reading all the lefties' responses to him?

So why pretend that this isn't the case?

Edited August 7, 2012 by bleeding heart

betsy · August 7, 2012

On the contrary, poster socialist really is very nearly alone in his views on this subject.

Haven't you been reading all the lefties' responses to him?

So why pretend that this isn't the case?

I'm not referring to people in this forum alone.

jefferiah · August 7, 2012

On the contrary, poster socialist really is very nearly alone in his views on this subject.

Haven't you been reading all the lefties' responses to him?

So why pretend that this isn't the case?

I have serious doubts that even socialist agrees with socialist.

socialist · August 7, 2012

I have serious doubts that even socialist agrees with socialist.

I know what i believe and I don't form my opinions reading what others post on this forum. Betsy was right, no one cares about the three r's anymore. I wouldn't be on my way to being a teacher if that's what we had to focus on. Social justice, environmentalism are what important and I'm lad government schools are taking the lead role in teaching all children these thins ti create a better society. Karl Marx had some great insights as to how public education should be and what it's purpose should be. That got me excited. We can teach about Karl Marx now because the history books are no longer biased against him. Check it out for yourself and you will see. Marx knew that in order to create a great society you had to get kids away from their parents as early as possible so their minds wouldn't be corrupted.

Edited August 7, 2012 by socialist

jefferiah · August 7, 2012

I am close to completing my education degree. I have spent many years volunteering in many classrooms.

Well, there's an argument in favor of homeschooling, right there.

Spiderfish · August 7, 2012

I would be OK with homeschooling if done by tolerant, left wing, progressive parents. I guess there are exceptions to everything. Public schools, I am learning, are thankfully very progressive and up to date with the current world we live in.

You have been groomed well, your masters would be proud.

Spiderfish · August 7, 2012

Karl Marx had some great insights ... That got me excited.

If you're trying to surprise us, you'll have to do better than that.

Marx knew that in order to create a great society you had to get kids away from their parents as early as possible so their minds wouldn't be corrupted.

Removing kids from their families in order to remove parental influence from their upbringing and program them with your political philosophy would be an example of corruption to the extreme.