wyly Posted August 8, 2012 Report Posted August 8, 2012 i cant speak for other provinces but the quality of alberta's public schools is excellent... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
betsy Posted August 8, 2012 Report Posted August 8, 2012 Put away your anger for a second. The first quote is not from sparta. it was from one of history's most famous men. the secomd quote is someone who was very influential in the establishment of public education in america. Which famous men? Quote
betsy Posted August 8, 2012 Report Posted August 8, 2012 The children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society which is coming, where everyone would be interdependent. You're talking lemmings? Quote
betsy Posted August 8, 2012 Report Posted August 8, 2012 Socialist, quoting so-called famous men doesn't automatically make your view right. Where do you live, btw? Quote
betsy Posted August 8, 2012 Report Posted August 8, 2012 If public education was doing such a disservice, then why are millions if kids enrolled. Are you kidding me? You don't know? Quote
betsy Posted August 8, 2012 Report Posted August 8, 2012 Canadians 'want more' On the surface, this appears to be a vote of confidence in the school system. But when asked whether "schools could be teaching students much more than they currently do," 69 per cent said yes, they could. In other words, says Environics senior vice-president Donna Dasko, Canadians expect a lot more from the education system, even though they feel it's doing an adequate job. "What I would conclude is that we are giving schools a B or maybe a B minus, but we think they should be much better, given the resources they have," Dasko told CBCNews.ca. "Schools should be teaching more, imparting more knowledge, more of the essential core knowledge required for life," she said. "That's what Canadians feel." A related question asked whether schools are teaching students "the right things in the right way for the times that we live in." According to Dasko, this was particularly aimed at parents of school-age children. Fifty-six per cent of them answered in the affirmative. That, she pointed out, is barely a passing grade. "Canadians are disappointed," Dasko said. "They want more from schools." http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2008/09/01/pass-or-fail-poll.html Who wants to give their children, only "adequate" education? Quote
bleeding heart Posted August 8, 2012 Report Posted August 8, 2012 I haven't heard or read about any problems with public education. Not in the newspapers and not on TV news. That is because the system is great. I've been playing what might be a fool's game: trying to decide if you honestly belive the things you continually post, many of which are pure lunacy...or if you're a right-winger trying to make lefties look ridiculous by embracing the most absurd caricatures with which sectors of the right like to impose on the left, generally in straw man fashion. But I still don't know! I do, however, believe you're being provocative for its own sake, in order to rile up posters, get a predictably hostile response, after which you feel justified in acting like a douche. Maybe I'm dime-store psychologizing, but I'm afraid this remains my view anyway. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bleeding heart Posted August 8, 2012 Report Posted August 8, 2012 (edited) You're talking lemmings? It appears so. Edited August 8, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
socialist Posted August 8, 2012 Author Report Posted August 8, 2012 i cant speak for other provinces but the quality of alberta's public schools is excellent... thats true for all provinces.i know that for a fact. there are very few articles that say anything negative about public schools. many mention the positives. some people on this forum are to ignorant to learn the truth. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
GostHacked Posted August 8, 2012 Report Posted August 8, 2012 thats true for all provinces.i know that for a fact. there are very few articles that say anything negative about public schools. many mention the positives. some people on this forum are to ignorant to learn the truth. Not unlike yourself. Let's pump the kids full of meds as well right? Quote
socialist Posted August 8, 2012 Author Report Posted August 8, 2012 (edited) Not unlike yourself. Let's pump the kids full of meds as well right? many kids need meds. why do you think ritalin has helped so much in calming kids down. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/08/000811065324.htm Edited August 8, 2012 by socialist Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
GostHacked Posted August 9, 2012 Report Posted August 9, 2012 many kids need meds. why do you think ritalin has helped so much in calming kids down. Kids are hyperactive, because ... they are kids and have lots of energy. Don't give them pills, get them out from in front of the TV or game console or PC ... My little cousin who is 4 has lots of energy and hard to keep up. But you know that is NORMAL for a kid to have lots of energy. Ritalin turns energetic kids into mindless zombies. These studies which show that they can diagnose a kid with ADHD as young as 5 are bullshit to me. Their personalities are still developing, and if you manipulate that with harmful prescription drugs you are neutering the child's natural growth. You cannot properly diagnose or prescribe medication that will do the child any good. I was on anti-depressants as an adult in my 20s'. Turns out it was a shitty relationship that caused my problems. So in many cases it is situational and environmental influences and not something that is wrong with the child. You know what also helps? Parents being parents. Give the kids a balanced diet and the proper amount of sleep. Those two alone will eliminate this ADHD naturally. Are your kids on drugs? Quote
socialist Posted August 9, 2012 Author Report Posted August 9, 2012 Kids are hyperactive, because ... they are kids and have lots of energy. Don't give them pills, get them out from in front of the TV or game console or PC ... My little cousin who is 4 has lots of energy and hard to keep up. But you know that is NORMAL for a kid to have lots of energy. Ritalin turns energetic kids into mindless zombies. These studies which show that they can diagnose a kid with ADHD as young as 5 are bullshit to me. Their personalities are still developing, and if you manipulate that with harmful prescription drugs you are neutering the child's natural growth. You cannot properly diagnose or prescribe medication that will do the child any good. I was on anti-depressants as an adult in my 20s'. Turns out it was a shitty relationship that caused my problems. So in many cases it is situational and environmental influences and not something that is wrong with the child. You know what also helps? Parents being parents. Give the kids a balanced diet and the proper amount of sleep. Those two alone will eliminate this ADHD naturally. Are your kids on drugs? Actually you are somewhat wrong. Schools will be encouraged more and more to use Ipads as learning tools for kids all the way fro K and up. also interactive smartboards are in many classrooms and they help keep children entertained. if kids still need ritalin then so be it. its harmless to kids who need and benefit from it. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
GostHacked Posted August 9, 2012 Report Posted August 9, 2012 Actually you are somewhat wrong. Schools will be encouraged more and more to use Ipads as learning tools for kids all the way fro K and up. also interactive smartboards are in many classrooms and they help keep children entertained. if kids still need ritalin then so be it. its harmless to kids who need and benefit from it. School is not about entertainment. The technology will make things worse. Less human one on one interaction and more PC face time. They need to learn how to interact with other humans before electronic devices. It's like you are not even trying to make your point anymore. You advocate for drugs and less parenting from the parents. Your notions do way more harm than good, and you are doing yourself a disservice. Keep going, you are going to get smacked down every time. Quote
wyly Posted August 9, 2012 Report Posted August 9, 2012 Actually you are somewhat wrong. Schools will be encouraged more and more to use Ipads as learning tools for kids all the way fro K and up. also interactive smartboards are in many classrooms and they help keep children entertained. if kids still need ritalin then so be it. its harmless to kids who need and benefit from it. as long as it's never becomes a teachers call on when to medicate, they're not qualified to make that call... one of wyly jrs teachers claimed he was abnormal and took measures to restrain his excess activity and focus his attention..we thought she was an idiot and consulted three different Phds(child psychologist, pediatrician, and an educational expert) in child behaviour and the university education department that studied/tested child learning disorders....all came back to us results that showed he was normal and the teacher was out of line with making a diagnosis for which qualifications to do so... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
socialist Posted August 9, 2012 Author Report Posted August 9, 2012 School is not about entertainment. The technology will make things worse. Less human one on one interaction and more PC face time. They need to learn how to interact with other humans before electronic devices. It's like you are not even trying to make your point anymore. You advocate for drugs and less parenting from the parents. Your notions do way more harm than good, and you are doing yourself a disservice. Keep going, you are going to get smacked down every time. go to any education conference and they all emphasize more technology. ipads, smartboards, even cell phones in the classroom. that is a fact. you think it may be wrong but thousands of educational experts are expecting teachers to use more and more technology. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
socialist Posted August 9, 2012 Author Report Posted August 9, 2012 as long as it's never becomes a teachers call on when to medicate, they're not qualified to make that call... one of wyly jrs teachers claimed he was abnormal and took measures to restrain his excess activity and focus his attention..we thought she was an idiot and consulted three different Phds(child psychologist, pediatrician, and an educational expert) in child behaviour and the university education department that studied/tested child learning disorders....all came back to us results that showed he was normal and the teacher was out of line with making a diagnosis for which qualifications to do so... interesting. then why were so many kids placed on drugs? why were so many principals and teachers in favor of medicating kids? i don't get it. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
wyly Posted August 9, 2012 Report Posted August 9, 2012 go to any education conference and they all emphasize more technology. ipads, smartboards, even cell phones in the classroom. that is a fact. you think it may be wrong but thousands of educational experts are expecting teachers to use more and more technology. when I was in high school the first portable/pocket calculators arrived, at first they banned from schools technology was considered bad they make kids lazy and stupid...more enlightened minds understood the changes that were coming, technology is aid not a hindrance to learning...I envy the resources kids have today all I had was a pencil and a slide rule that I never mastered...there's an interesting study going on in africa where in places teachers and educational resources are non existent...a number of illiterate children have been given solar tablets with no instruction on how to use them, apparently the first kids figured out how to turn them on in 15 minutes then taught others, then they progressed to teaching themselves to read...the study will be ongoing to see far they can advance on their own...obvious educational and social benefits if it works... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted August 9, 2012 Report Posted August 9, 2012 interesting. then why were so many kids placed on drugs? why were so many principals and teachers in favor of medicating kids? i don't get it. I suppose it makes the kids compliant and less of a distraction, working with a 20-30 9 yr olds is a handful at the best of times throw in couple of more lively types and some teachers aren't able to handle it...some parents and teachers are too quick to give up if a child requires more effort than the average, what we found when we challenged her assessment of "abnormal" the school principal and other teachers closed ranks backing her assessment... as her opinion would be put on his academic record he would be faced with being labeled unteachable and difficult and those remarks are read prejudged by future teachers.. it cost us about 2000K in written professional assessments to eliminate this mark against him...other teachers he's had since have had to spend extra time with him because he's easily distracted but he's progressed well... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Spiderfish Posted August 9, 2012 Report Posted August 9, 2012 (edited) also interactive smartboards are in many classrooms and they help keep children entertained. if kids still need ritalin then so be it. go to any education conference and they all emphasize more technology...even cell phones in the classroom. This thread just keeps getting more and more ridiculous. Your comments are like a train wreck, I want to just ignore it, but I can't help looking again to see what new travesty of logic you are puking out next. As I said before, if nothing else, you are entertaining... Edited August 9, 2012 by Spiderfish Quote
GostHacked Posted August 9, 2012 Report Posted August 9, 2012 interesting. then why were so many kids placed on drugs? The question you should ask, is who makes the money putting all the kids on drugs. why were so many principals and teachers in favor of medicating kids? Go ahead and try to correlate grades with ADHD drugs usage. Teachers are not doctors, so baffle them with bullshit and it's cash in the drug company's pocket. There are many teachers who are not critical thinkers as well. So you cannot propose that they can do the job required to teach your kid critical thinking. If they were thinkers, they know more teachers and smaller classes are the way to go. i don't get it. I know you don't. But here is where you are putting your faith in ..... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/how-not-to-get-big-pharma_b_1653588.html Earlier this week the Justice Department announced a $3 billion settlement of criminal and civil charges against pharma giant GlaxoSmithKline -- the largest pharmaceutical settlement in history -- for improper marketing prescription drugs in the late 1990s to the mid-2000s. You would have to assume that the drugs given for the specific ailment will work. Yes that is a 3 BILLION dollar settlement. With this information, can you be confident the drugs that these companies put out will work for your child? http://phys.org/news158342976.html The results, published in the March issue of Clinical Psychology Review, found that teaching parents and teachers how to respond when children do things the right way -- as well as when they display harmful or aggressive behavior -- is effective, and in some cases more effective, than medication for ADHD. "This review shows that behavioral treatments work, and in general work well," said Gregory A. Fabiano, Ph.D., assistant professor in the Department of Counseling, School and Educational Psychology in UB's Graduate School of Education, and first author on the paper. "For the past couple of decades, there has been considerable professional controversy about the role and adequacy of behavior modification treatments in the care of children with ADHD. The next step is to figure out how to make them work for individual families over the long run, because we now know that ADHD is a lifelong condition." Through use of behavior modification, children could bypass the risk of side effects from ADHD drugs and achieve the same or better results as drug treatments, Fabiano noted. Teachers are not doctors, and even the doctors only spend a few minutes with each patient to diagnose and prescribe a pill. More time is spend diagnosing your car, and that does not guarantee it will resolve the issue. Everyone is different. Treating them all the same does them more harm than good. Quote
socialist Posted August 9, 2012 Author Report Posted August 9, 2012 This thread just keeps getting more and more ridiculous. Your comments are like a train wreck, I want to just ignore it, but I can't help looking again to see what new travesty of logic you are puking out next. As I said before, if nothing else, you are entertaining... i'm not making anything up. there is a HUGE push for more and more technology. here is a short explanation. http://sandwalk.blogspot.ca/2012/05/cellphones-in-classroom.html http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/schools-should-be-open-to-cellphones-in-class-mcguinty/article567928/ http://www.fluency21.com/blogpost.cfm?blogID=2867 Try writing something decent instead of resorting to personal attacks. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
socialist Posted August 9, 2012 Author Report Posted August 9, 2012 Here's another article for the educationally ignorant. http://bangordailynews.com/2012/02/16/education/report-says-giving-ipads-to-auburn-kindergartners-increases-test-scores/ Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
GostHacked Posted August 9, 2012 Report Posted August 9, 2012 i'm not making anything up. there is a HUGE push for more and more technology. here is a short explanation. http://sandwalk.blogspot.ca/2012/05/cellphones-in-classroom.html http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/schools-should-be-open-to-cellphones-in-class-mcguinty/article567928/ http://www.theenterprisebulletin.com/2012/02/17/teachers-making-wi-fi-waves Concerns about microwave radiation related to Wi-Fi usage in schools has many parents asking questions regarding long term effects on their children's health.Wireless sensitivity is like a peanut allergy you can't see. For the people who have it, it's hell. But for everybody else, you're just ruining a really good sandwich. And, until 45,000 teachers brought it back to the forefront Monday, most had dismissed the effects of invisible airwaves outright. However, the recent outcry by the Ontario English Catholic Teachers' Association (OECTA) to shelve the usage of Wi-Fi in schools pending more research into wireless technology is causing headaches for many administrators. Much like the headaches, dizziness, nausea, vertigo, racing heart, memory loss and skin rash that parents of children who attend school with Wi- Fi available are claiming their children suffer. Giving kids a clean healthy physical/emotional enviroment for them to learn in will benefit them as well. Yes technology can help, but be careful WHAT technology you implement. We also have cases in where teachers were spying on kids through school assigned electronic devices like laptops with cameras on them. Quote
socialist Posted August 9, 2012 Author Report Posted August 9, 2012 http://www.theenterprisebulletin.com/2012/02/17/teachers-making-wi-fi-waves Giving kids a clean healthy physical/emotional enviroment for them to learn in will benefit them as well. Yes technology can help, but be careful WHAT technology you implement. We also have cases in where teachers were spying on kids through school assigned electronic devices like laptops with cameras on them. Look gost, technology use in public schools is only going to increase rapidly, despite your concerns. once people are sold on an idea in education it is hard to go back. i've been to a number of math conferences where we are told knowing how to do long division is no longer necessary. memorizing math facts is not longer necessary. things are changing and dinosaurs like you who are living in the past and have no sense of the future of education cant grasp these changes. http://mjperry.blogspot.ca/2010/01/rainforest-math-update.html Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
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