Ontario Teachers Strike

[TheNewTeddy]

The bolded parts are these 4 quotes

if the Liberals don't give teachers what we deserve then there will be a strike. we are tired of governments who have no clue what we have to go through. mcguinty better quickly realize how much support the teachers in ontario gave him in this last election. thank goodness we have awesome teacher unions in this province looking out for teachers and students. i'm disgusted.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/start-of-ontarios-school-year-in-jeopardy-if-labour-talks-stall/article4449756/

you really don't know that much so i could care less what you think. YOU ARE UNIMPORTANT.

Not concerned at all about parents who don't know anything. Why couldn't you reply to the articles I posted about Ontario's reat public education system. You don't like reading things that prove you wrong do you wild bill. You just come up with bs stories about your daughters. you and your daughters should be THANKING their teachers.

oh i see. because my views are different than yours you're going to go out of your way to damage me. you are intolerant and can't accept opposing views other than your own.

summarized

[Fletch 27]

Teachers in Ontario have ZERO concern for the student.... AKA "blossoming minds" of the next generation. Our childen will be the ones impacted by the Unions greed and self-adoration. This is all about the all mighty dollar and more days off with early retirement. A teacher will get NO respect in my books..

When they DO hit the picket lines (and they will),,, Please make sure to throw your empty coffee cups and refuse in the car,, directly at them.. Yes! Make your own statement..

[Michael Hardner]

Fletch, you should leave your anger issues at home - these demonstrations are usually well policed and those on duty are especially vigilant towards trouble makers.

[Fletch 27]

When it comes to children, Its always the teachers who care the least... All about the almighty dollar for them. I think this time around when there is a strike, i believe there will be push-back from the parents..

Fletch, you should leave your anger issues at home - these demonstrations are usually well policed and those on duty are especially vigilant towards trouble makers.

[Boges]

Today is judgement day.

The PCs say they won't oppose the "Putting Children First" Act.

Teachers will protest at Queen's Park tomorrow. When have we seen that before?

[socialist]

there will be a HUGE rally at queen's park in support of teachers and public education. hope to see some of you there. this affects us all.

[Wild Bill]

Fletch, you should leave your anger issues at home - these demonstrations are usually well policed and those on duty are especially vigilant towards trouble makers.

It would be great to see a rally against the teachers. Unfortunately, most parents have to work for a living.

[TheNewTeddy]

there will be a HUGE rally at queen's park in support of teachers and public education. hope to see some of you there. this affects us all.

Not sure how you can support both, with the way the teachers have been acting, the only way to support public education, is to oppose their antics.

[socialist]

Not sure how you can support both, with the way the teachers have been acting, the only way to support public education, is to oppose their antics.

there will be thousands out supporting teachers and unions. i heard that teacher unions across canada will be there to show solidarity to the cause. the government better know the backlash that will hit them. i read that 90% of the public supports the teachers and their unions. that is good news. i will be there protesting for teachers right to bargain.

[madmax]

there will be thousands out supporting teachers and unions. i heard that teacher unions across canada will be there to show solidarity to the cause. the government better know the backlash that will hit them. i read that 90% of the public supports the teachers and their unions. that is good news. i will be there protesting for teachers right to bargain.

Its alot of Rhetoric from many sides.

1) I am hard pressed to find a teacher who was thinking ...strike.

2) Strike Votes are regular process in negotiations, anyone ever involved in a union know that a strike vote doesn't mean much, as its NOT a vote to strike...big difference.

Media always hypes up that vote, but its never meant much in the long run.

3) Teachers weren't looking for pay raises.

4) If a deals not done yet, its because theirs alot of tin ears. The Schoolboards are not happy with the Seniority provision that is mandated in this new legislation, and ties there hands when hiring. I have never heard of this before, and its going to hurt young teachers even more if I understand it properly.

5) If there was no threats coming ..and no action coming from the teachers, this legislation will change nothing in the workplace.... EXCEPT... it may cost the government MORE money in the long run for short term political gain.

I can see parts of this bill failing in the courts if it goes through as written.

However keep in mind that the Social Contract was found not to violate the charter and it affected EVERY civil servant.

6) Once again teachers are made scapegoats for poor government action.

7) Teachers need to get with the program in what others have been facing, to understand why there isn't alot of sympathy out there.

8) The Public needs to realize alot of these standardized tests and nonsense are crippling hte abilities of creative teaching and student growth. Teachers are not the enemy, they teach your kids and answer to bosses and boards like the rest of us.

9) Why the rush. Why the panic. I am well aware of the McGuinty Government sitting on their hands for 3 years during a strike and doing squat until the company liquidated and left. Yet there is a desire to remove the process of bargaining before its run its course. Indeed many important lockouts and strikes have went on for over a year and the government has gone absent when asked to engage. Yet no one was asking for anything... not yet.... and if the "old contract" continued, it only continues until the next contract is agreed upon. I highly doubt it would cost the $$$ the government is suggesting. It seems like Mcguinty wants to appear tough in hopes of getting a majority.

Quite Frankly the decisions of this government are not ones that I trust and I certainly do not trust or believe the comments made by Premier McGuinty. Once again, people are getting suckered by Pinnochio.

I believe that this is all a distraction to take our eyes off the consecutive string of incompetence ... from EHEALTH to ORNGE costing Billions of dollars. Let alone those sizeable executive bonuses handed out for failure let alone success.

10) Teachers fully backed the McGuinty Government and many campaigned hard for him....

The Honeymoon is over....but is the marriage?

Edited August 27, 2012 by madmax

[socialist]

Its alot of Rhetoric from many sides.

1) I am hard pressed to find a teacher who was thinking ...strike.

2) Strike Votes are regular process in negotiations, anyone ever involved in a union know that a strike vote doesn't mean much, as its NOT a vote to strike...big difference.

Media always hypes up that vote, but its never meant much in the long run.

3) Teachers weren't looking for pay raises.

4) If a deals not done yet, its because theirs alot of tin ears. The Schoolboards are not happy with the Seniority provision that is mandated in this new legislation, and ties there hands when hiring. I have never heard of this before, and its going to hurt young teachers even more if I understand it properly.

5) If there was no threats coming ..and no action coming from the teachers, this legislation will change nothing in the workplace.... EXCEPT... it may cost the government MORE money in the long run for short term political gain.

I can see parts of this bill failing in the courts if it goes through as written.

However keep in mind that the Social Contract was found not to violate the charter and it affected EVERY civil servant.

6) Once again teachers are made scapegoats for poor government action.

7) Teachers need to get with the program in what others have been facing, to understand why there isn't alot of sympathy out there.

8) The Public needs to realize alot of these standardized tests and nonsense are crippling hte abilities of creative teaching and student growth. Teachers are not the enemy, they teach your kids and answer to bosses and boards like the rest of us.

9) Why the rush. Why the panic. I am well aware of the McGuinty Government sitting on their hands for 3 years during a strike and doing squat until the company liquidated and left. Yet there is a desire to remove the process of bargaining before its run its course. Indeed many important lockouts and strikes have went on for over a year and the government has gone absent when asked to engage. Yet no one was asking for anything... not yet.... and if the "old contract" continued, it only continues until the next contract is agreed upon. I highly doubt it would cost the $$$ the government is suggesting. It seems like Mcguinty wants to appear tough in hopes of getting a majority.

Quite Frankly the decisions of this government are not ones that I trust and I certainly do not trust or believe the comments made by Premier McGuinty. Once again, people are getting suckered by Pinnochio.

I believe that this is all a distraction to take our eyes off the consecutive string of incompetence ... from EHEALTH to ORNGE costing Billions of dollars. Let alone those sizeable executive bonuses handed out for failure let alone success.

10) Teachers fully backed the McGuinty Government and many campaigned hard for him....

The Honeymoon is over....but is the marriage?

do we need more political bullies who don't understand education trying to run the show? i don't think so. we don't need a chris christie up here. christie is a bully and tried to bully teachers in new jersey.

here is some proof of how big a bully christie is. look at the innocent teacher that he bullies. i bet you he felt big after this. i was disgusted.

Edited August 27, 2012 by socialist

[madmax]

do we need more political bullies who don't understand education trying to run the show? i don't think so. we don't need a chris christie up here. christie is a bully and tried to bully teachers in new jersey.

here is some proof of how big a bully christie is. look at the innocent teacher that he bullies. i bet you he felt big after this. i was disgusted.

THREAD DRIFT ALERT!!!!

This is a thread on PROVINCIAL POLITICS!

While Education in the US is interesting as is American Politics... once mentioned here, you go down a slippery slope...and soon off the topic at hand

McGuinty.

Edited August 28, 2012 by madmax

[socialist]

THREAD DRIFT ALERT!!!!

This is a thread on PROVINCIAL POLITICS!

While Education in the US is interesting as is American Politics... once mentioned here, you go down a slippery slope...and soon off the topic at hand

McGuinty.

deep down i like mcguinty and he is probably the best premier this province has had. i just hope he comes to his senses and does what is right for ontario teachers.

[Newfoundlander]

What is the average salary for a teacher in Ontario?

[socialist]

What is the average salary for a teacher in Ontario?

around 40K

[TheNewTeddy]

i read that 90% of the public supports the teachers and their unions

[[Citation Needed]]

[j44]

around 40K

That might be the starting salary but I'd be very, very surprised if that is the average salary for a teacher in Ontario.

[Newfoundlander]

around 40K

That's it?

Update: ended up finding a report doe this year. Salaries for teachers, not surprisingly, are a lot higher then you said. Salaries are in the 50's.

http://bctf.ca/uploadedFiles/Public/BargainingContracts/2011-12SalaryRankings.pdf

Edited August 28, 2012 by Newfoundlander

[TheNewTeddy]

Isn't knowingly and purposefully telling lies on this forum something you can be reported for?

[madmax]

deep down i like mcguinty and he is probably the best premier this province has had. i just hope he comes to his senses and does what is right for ontario teachers.

:D

wow,,,,,

Edited August 28, 2012 by madmax

[madmax]

[[Citation Needed]]

90%

[madmax]

That's it?

Update: ended up finding a report doe this year. Salaries for teachers, not surprisingly, are a lot higher then you said. Salaries are in the 50's.

http://bctf.ca/uploadedFiles/Public/BargainingContracts/2011-12SalaryRankings.pdf

In the 50s lots in the 60s....

that said, my bro made 40,000 in his early years starting out a decade ago and I believe he is close to 50 now..... my close friend made 36 in his 3rd year this past year , (he's likely not going to return to teaching this year as he has accepted a position elsewhere for just over 60...), but my brotherinlaw made nearly 70 before he passed away....he was a dep head...I believe there are admins and principles and such who exceed 100000.....but they are not involved in this dispute iirc...

regardless, this charade is a successful ploy to get people onto a scapegoat and divert attention from a major budget failure and the desire to implement all day kindergarten with no money to do it...and no plan or competence to deal with billion dollar boondoggles, and scams by Liberal connected insiders.

Its funny how quickly it works.

[Boges]

Not only that but after 10 years on the job you max out at 90k.

This wage freeze is going to happen, no question. The PCs won't oppose it and all the Dippers have is filibuster. That being said, McDalton should save everyone time and effort and just legislate a public sector wage freeze instead of fighting these battles separately. Unless of course he thinks he gets some good will from the public by doing these public fights with civil servants.

The question is, does this help McGuinty get a majority by winning in K-Dub? I've heard the union is telling teachers to vote NDP which is good because those people would have voted Liberal before.

I haven't heard a lot of what's being talked about in K-Dub and how the PCs are framing the debate, are they talking about how the Liberals have contempt for rural Ontario? Ehealth, Ornge, Power Plants, Hydro Bills etc etc. It would be a shame if these bi-elections are fought only on McGuinty talking tough to the teachers.

[TheNewTeddy]

Isn't knowingly and purposefully telling lies on this forum something you can be reported for?

I like how people get away with this stuff around these parts.

[Boges]

I like how people get away with this stuff around these parts.

It's OK 95% of Ontarians hate McGuinty. (Or at least I hope )