bush_cheney2004 Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 Ones either gay, hetero or a pedo. Do you really believe that to be the case? If so, you do not understand the complexity of human sexuality...hell, you and "RUE" left out bestiality for starters! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 The Boy Scouts are probably just trying to avoid a Penn State or Carholic Church type incident. They're just putting the safety of the children ahead of political correctness. Are you saying that homosexuals are child molesters? Quote
cybercoma Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 Are there not gay and straight pedos? Ban straight people from Scouts too then. Quote
cybercoma Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 Irrelevant to the individual's choice of sexual identity label. Sexual identity is different than sexual orientation. Do I need to post the gender-bread person again? In any case, homosexual and heterosexual people are attracted to post-pubescent male and female bodies. Pedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescent bodies, precisely because they are not matured and androgynous. Therefore, they're neither homosexual nor heterosexual proper. Quote
cybercoma Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 You see a man f*#*#*#g a male dog. He stops and tells you he is gay. Do you say " oh well of course" No, because being gay has nothing to do with it,"you were f'ing a dog!" +1 Quote
msj Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 Legal segregation by gender and sex is routinely practiced throughout North America (yes...that includes Canada) by way of public and private rest room facilities. Gender neutral restrooms are still not the norm. In some places the regulations are that for every 1 urinal/toilet provided in a male washroom then 1 toilet must be provided for in a female washroom. To which the private sector then responds with providing one little room with one toilet and one urinal for which men and women (regardless of sexual preference) must form a line to use. Sadly, this has made the single "unisex" washroom appalling to use as women tend to squat, inevitably missing, thus creating a sticky floor. Clearly we should go back to the good old days when we could discriminate against "those" people and could tell the men from the boys, girls and women. Anyway, really off topic.... Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Shady Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 Are you saying that homosexuals are child molesters? Nope. Child molestors can be gay or straight. Gay child molestors will prey on children of the same sex. Hetero chld molestors will prey on the opposite sex. It's not rocket science. Quote
g_bambino Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 (edited) In any case, homosexual and heterosexual people are attracted to post-pubescent male and female bodies. Pedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescent bodies, precisely because they are not matured and androgynous. Therefore, they're neither homosexual nor heterosexual proper. Come on. Humans and their sexuality doesn't fit into neat little boxes like that and you know it. [ed.: c/e] Edited July 18, 2012 by g_bambino Quote
guyser Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 . Child molestors can be gay or straight. Gay child molestors will prey on children of the same sex. Hetero chld molestors will prey on the opposite sex. It's not rocket science. Its not rocket science shady, you're right about that, but dead wrong about the rest. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 Come on. Humans and their sexuality doesn't fit into neat little boxes like that and you know it. [ed.: c/e] Agreed....having sex in prison doesn't mean you're gay! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Melanie_ Posted July 18, 2012 Author Report Posted July 18, 2012 Banning gays does nothing to protect children from child molesters; someone can be "happily married", live a heterosexual lifestyle, and still abuse young boys. The Boy Scouts are promoting homophobia, by reinforcing the stigma against gays. They deserve the same amount of respect as an organization as the Ku Klux Klan. Quote For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others. Nelson Mandela
Shady Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 Banning gays does nothing to protect children from child molesters; someone can be "happily married", live a heterosexual lifestyle, and still abuse young boys. Yes, secretly gay men pretend to lead heterosexual lives all the time. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 Yes, secretly gay men pretend to lead heterosexual lives all the time. Far from pretending, many gay men have "straight" lives with children and families just like anyone else. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Melanie_ Posted July 18, 2012 Author Report Posted July 18, 2012 Yes, secretly gay men pretend to lead heterosexual lives all the time. Yes, historically many gay men have lived in the closet, pretending to be heterosexual. But you are deliberately trying, again, to link being gay with being a pedophile. They are two different things. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Quote For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others. Nelson Mandela
cybercoma Posted July 19, 2012 Report Posted July 19, 2012 Yes, secretly gay men pretend to lead heterosexual lives all the time. Being gay has nothing to do with pedophilia. It's incredibly insulting and derogatory that you keep insisting this. Quote
Guest Manny Posted July 19, 2012 Report Posted July 19, 2012 It's certainly not correct to claim that gays are the same as pedophiles. But it comes down to whether one believes that being gay is "normal", or that gays are sexual deviants. If you believe they are not normal, but are sexual deviants then it's much easier to make that association, and lump them in with other deviants. Quote
Shady Posted July 19, 2012 Report Posted July 19, 2012 Being gay has nothing to do with pedophilia. It's incredibly insulting and derogatory that you keep insisting this. I've already stated that pedophiles can be both gay and straight. So I'm not sure what you're talking about. Quote
Canuckistani Posted July 19, 2012 Report Posted July 19, 2012 Yeah gee, these groups that have traditionally been excluded and marginalized have some nerve excluding straight white men from their spaces. Maybe the straight white men need their own exclusive clubs to talk about these issues with each other; they are such an underrepresented group after all. Let them exclude the evil white man, that's their right. Just as it's the evil white man's right to exclude them. I don't get it. Straight white men want to associate is a heteronormative, racist, phallocentric conspiracy. Lesbian black women want to hang out together it's empowerment for a marginalized underrepresented group. How long are we going to keep spouting that bs? Quote
Canuckistani Posted July 19, 2012 Report Posted July 19, 2012 According to you they do, since it is by the power of law that discriminatory groups are allowed to exist and operate in the name of equality and it is "straight", "white" dudes who hold the majority of power, the greatest of which is the establishment and enforcement of law. It's our guilt that makes us do that, but I think you and I are not being sufficiently guilty. Quote
Black Dog Posted July 19, 2012 Report Posted July 19, 2012 Let them exclude the evil white man, that's their right. Just as it's the evil white man's right to exclude them. I don't get it. Straight white men want to associate is a heteronormative, racist, phallocentric conspiracy. Lesbian black women want to hang out together it's empowerment for a marginalized underrepresented group. How long are we going to keep spouting that bs? As long as it holds true. Quote
Black Dog Posted July 19, 2012 Report Posted July 19, 2012 According to you they do, since it is by the power of law that discriminatory groups are allowed to exist and operate in the name of equality and it is "straight", "white" dudes who hold the majority of power, the greatest of which is the establishment and enforcement of law. Not sure how this is a big gotcha since it actually underscores the problem I'm talking about. Quote
Black Dog Posted July 19, 2012 Report Posted July 19, 2012 I should probably add here for the sake of clarity that I actually don't believe in prohibiting discriminatory practices by private organizations. If the Boy Scouts want to keep out teh gheys or someone wants to open a whites-only restaurant, they should be allowed to and suffer the consequences from the marketplace. Quote
g_bambino Posted July 19, 2012 Report Posted July 19, 2012 Yes, secretly gay men pretend to lead heterosexual lives all the time. Or maybe they're neither gay nor heterosexual. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted July 19, 2012 Report Posted July 19, 2012 The ban also excludes gay scout leaders. I've not seen any comments about that in this thread - do those who oppose the exclusion of gay scouts also oppose the exclusion of gay leaders? Quote
Canuckistani Posted July 19, 2012 Report Posted July 19, 2012 I see no problem with the Scouts having gay leaders or gay scouts. Be believe we have both in Canada. I do support the Scouts being able to exclude whomever they want tho, since they are a private organization. Quote
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