Romney Derangement Syndrome

[cybercoma]

Yah Shady you know Romney made the SAME statement in a USA today article in December right? Of course you don't because you dent know anything. Conservatives around these boards must hate you. You are as bad for the right as socialist is for the left

WOW.

Argus is definitely conservative and here's what he had to say about Shady in the 'Romney the Inevitable Nominee' thread:

Shady, I usually ignore you, but just this once I'll point out that when it comes to American politics most people on this news site don't even think you're SANE. You write like a gibbering far, far, far right wing lunatic who's never found anyone in the political arena who quite reaches out as far to the right as he would like. To you, the Tea Party are soft, mushy lefties.

As such, nothing you post is thought-out, nothing is considered. You're as knee jerk supportive of whatever policy is furthest to the right as the most rabid ideologue I've ever encountered. If there was a party further to the right than the Republicans you'd be sneering at Ryan as a socialist and Romney as a communist. I suppose you're the end result of an endless addiction to FOX news and its shrill, venomous political propaganda.

[Smallc]

So what? Why's that acceptable? Why is comparing anyone's policy to slavery acceptable? Especially for a sitting VP?{/quote]

Perhaps you weren't reading. It isn't comparing it to actual slavery. I'm sure you know what a metaphor is.

Why isn't it also not a serious comparison, and an exaggeration? Why doesn't that get a pass from you as well?

Because it's not, and you know it.

Edited August 15, 2012 by Smallc

[cybercoma]

LOL, you sound ridiculous!

And you sound completely clueless about American history. Punked said he has roots in Pennsylvania, which fits with what he said above.

What are your American roots or are you just a Yankee Doodle Wannabe?

[Shady]

Argus is definitely conservative and here's what he had to say about Shady in the 'Romney the Inevitable Nominee' thread:

Argus is semi-conservative. But it's still hard to figure out why he's such an Obama supporter. Obama would be NDP in Canada, pretty much the opposite of Argus' politics. Romney is much more in line with Harper. But I guess he doesn't really care about that. He's decided that he hates Romney, and nothing will stand in his way.

Perhaps you weren't reading. It isn't comparing it to actual slavery. I'm sure you know what a metaphor is.

I'm not sure you know what a metaphor is. Metaphors suggest some type of likeness and comparison. Keep digging.

Because it's not, and you know it.

That might be your opinion, but that's not necessarily the truth. Many believe that some of Obama's policies are akin to policies of European socialist countries. I don't understand how you can make an allowance for a comparison to slavery, but not to current European type policy. It's absurd.

And you sound completely clueless about American history. Punked said he has roots in Pennsylvania, which fits with what he said above.

What are your American roots or are you just a Yankee Doodle Wannabe?

I have roots in Michigan. But what's the point? Anyone with half a brain knows the implications of somebody speaking to a large group of African-Americans, and saying "Romney wants to put y'all back in chains." Somehow you and your ilk give that type of language a pass, but comparing actual Obama policies to similarities from Europe just cannot stand! Pathetic.

[BubberMiley]

If they would have, I would. That never happened though.

Paul Ryan said he wants to "Unshackle our economy to create millions of new job opportunities."

http://currentnationalpolitics.blogspot.ca/2012/08/bidens-comment-about-unchaining-wall.html

I expect that rather than find that offensive, you will choose to pretend it never happened instead.

[Shady]

Paul Ryan said he wants to "Unshackle our economy to create millions of new job opportunities."

http://currentnationalpolitics.blogspot.ca/2012/08/bidens-comment-about-unchaining-wall.html

I expect that rather than find that offensive, you will choose to pretend it never happened instead.

How is that comparable?

[BubberMiley]

How is that comparable?

He's making a horribly offensive slavery metaphor!

[Shady]

He's making a horribly offensive slavery metaphor!

How so?

[Smallc]

Argus is semi-conservative.

Obama would be NDP in Canada,

Any actual basis for that?

I'm not sure you know what a metaphor is. Metaphors suggest some type of likeness and comparison. Keep digging.

That's right. Some type of likeness. He wasn't saying that the policies would actually end up with people literally being in chains.

Many believe that some of Obama's policies are akin to policies of European socialist countries.

And many would be idiots. Most of his policies don't even come close to brining the US in line with Canada when it comes to social justice and democracy.

[BubberMiley]

How so?

I love it when you pretend English is your new language when your faulty partisan logic has failed.

[Shady]

I love it when you pretend English is your new language when your faulty partisan logic has failed.

That's what I thought. Once again, you've got nothing when pressed for logic.

[Shady]

That's right. Some type of likeness. He wasn't saying that the policies would actually end up with people literally being in chains.

Right. So what's the likeness to slavery? Which of Romney's policies do you think will put black people back in chains so-to-speak, and how?

Most of his policies don't even come close to brining the US in line with Canada when it comes to social justice and democracy.

I didn't say Canada, I said Europe. But what does social justice have to do with this? Social justice is subjective anyways. Regardless, some of Obama's policies look exactly like those of some of the socialist democracies in Europe, some just have a likeness to them. You know, a metaphor.

[Smallc]

Right. So what's the likeness to slavery? Which of Romney's policies do you think will put black people back in chains so-to-speak, and how?

Not black people, the middle class. Romney's policies will undo everything that Obama has worked to make better for the middle class (I'm not saying I believe that, but Biden certainly does).

I didn't say Canada, I said Europe.

And since Canada is a country in the middle, Europe is a long way from where the US is now.

Regardless, some of Obama's policies look exactly like those of some of the socialist democracies in Europe, some just have a likeness to them.

such as? Repeating talking points really isn't having a conversation.

Edited August 15, 2012 by Smallc

[Shady]

Not black people, the middle class. Romney's policies will undo everything that Obama has worked to make better for the middle class (I'm not saying I believe that, but Biden certainly does).

Fair enough, I agree with you, but I don't agree that the comment was appropriate. I guess we can agree to disagree.

[BubberMiley]

Fair enough, I agree with you, but I don't agree that the comment was appropriate. I guess we can agree to disagree.

Right-wingers are becoming more PC than those "feminazis" of the late 80s and early 90s.

[bleeding heart]

Sometimes literally, sometimes not. Why is that not acceptable, but claiming someone's policies are akin to slavery is? What standard are you applying now?

The rational standard that any thinking person would apply: the difference between the literal and the metaphorical.

If a Republican would have compared an Obama policy to slavery, you'd be shitting yourself right now. You guys are hilarious!

If by "shitting [my]self" you mean "couldn't care less," you're correct.

[bleeding heart]

Argus is semi-conservative.

Argus is a conservative. But he's not doctrinaire.

But it's still hard to figure out why he's such an Obama supporter.

He's not "such an Obama supporter," at least not that I've seen. He simply prefers him over Romney (which may well align him with majority American opinion....since that seems important to you).

I don't think Argus is as obssessed over Presidential politics as you are.

Obama would be NDP in Canada,

No, he's well to the right of the NDP...on virtually everything.

Romney is much more in line with Harper.

No, Romney is to the right of Harper...on virtually everything.

[Shady]

No, Romney is to the right of Harper...on virtually everything.

How so? Romney is a moderate Republican, and his record as governor completely contradicts your premise. Romney and Harper would see eye to eye on many more things than Obama. Let's take the Keystone pipeline for example. Romney would have approved the Harper initiative almost immediately. Obama still won't approve the project.

[Shady]

Anyways, even more new Romney Derangement Syndrome!!! It's getting crazier by the day!

This time from good ol'MSNBC.

Romney Engaging In The ‘Niggerization’ Of Obama

Link

[Smallc]

And I'm sure you can show how Obama is in line with the NDP.

[Shady]

And I'm sure you can show how Obama is in line with the NDP.

Cap n trade. Higher taxes. Increased domestic spending. Hostility to fossil fuels. Supporter of Big Labour.

[Smallc]

Cap n trade.

Like Harper?

Higher taxes.

Yes, he's talking about raising taxes so much...

Increased domestic spending.

He's increased spending less than pretty much any other president...and can't hold a candle to Bush.

Hostility to fossil fuels.

What, did he kick a jerry can?

Supporter of Big Labour.

Like....every Democrat?

Sorry, but he's not like the NDP, unless you think Jack Layton would have authorized Drone strikes and continued pretty much every Bush policy.

Edited August 16, 2012 by Smallc

[Shady]

Like Harper?

Nope, not at all like Harper.

Yes, he's talking about raising taxes so much...

Yes he has. Perhaps you just don't pay that much attention.

He's increased spending less than pretty much any other president...and can't hold a candle to Bush.

He's racked up more debt than Bush did in 8 years. He makes Bush look like an amateur. And if it wasn't for the Republican house saying no, he'd have increased spending even more.

What, did he kick a jerry can?

Nope. Just an unconstitutional drilling ban, and bankrupting regulations on coal plants. Again, perhaps you're just unaware. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Probably just out of context, right?

Like....every Democrat?

And every NDPer.

Sorry, but he's not like the NDP, unless you think Jack Layton would have authorized Drone strikes and continued pretty much every Bush policy.

Nope, I'm talking about domestic policy. But go ahead, continue to play dumb.

[Smallc]

Nope, not at all like Harper.

Oh really? Because that was what the Conservatives wanted, to let the market price carbon.

Yes he has. Perhaps you just don't pay that much attention.

He's talked about rolling back tax cuts that are bankrupting the country. That almost makes him a Conservative...like Reagan.

He's racked up more debt than Bush did in 8 years. He makes Bush look like an amateur. And if it wasn't for the Republican house saying no, he'd have increased spending even more.

Actually, most of the deficit as it now stands comes from Bush era policies. It's been shown through CBO numbers. Obama has actually raised spending by one of the lowest amounts of any president. Lower revenues are the real problem.

Nope. Just an unconstitutional drilling ban, and bankrupting regulations on coal plants. Again, perhaps you're just unaware. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Your whole post is out of context.

And every NDPer.

Right...so we're going to look at Obama and forget about every other democrat, and just say that makes him look like the NDP.

Nope, I'm talking about domestic policy. But go ahead, continue to play dumb.

He's also continued pretty much every Bush domestic policy.....but it isn't as if domestic policy exists in a vacuum.

Edited August 17, 2012 by Smallc

[bleeding heart]

How so? Romney is a moderate Republican, and his record as governor completely contradicts your premise. Romney and Harper would see eye to eye on many more things than Obama. Let's take the Keystone pipeline for example. Romney would have approved the Harper initiative almost immediately. Obama still won't approve the project.

This doesn't prove your premise.

And by the way, since you are admittedly looking at this through a left/right prism, it might interest you to know that some Texas Tea-Partiers have joined forces with Occupy and with Environmentalists...to stop the pipeline!

Interesting world.....

At any rate, I think Smallc answered your points accurately.

In my view, Obama is just barely a Liberal by Canadian standards.

Pre-presidential Obama appeared to be quite a lefty, that's true.

That doesn't apply anymore.

Look at Harper for a comparison; when the "secret agenda" talk was all the rage, people could (very accurately) point to all sorts of specific things Harper said: that Canada was basically another failed European socialist country; that we should have totally privatized medicine; that the Iraq War was a Grand idea, and Canada was a bunch of losers for not joing the adventure....and so on and so on.

Anti-abortion. Explicitly opposed to same-sex mariage.

Those aren't myths; those were his stated views.

But as PM, he simply has not ruled in a manner befitting his earlier, rhetorical self.

It wouldn't work, politically.

Obama is in precisely the same position.

(And if the NDP ever gain Feeral power, they will not be the same party that they have been. That's a guarantee.)

Edited August 17, 2012 by bleeding heart