bush_cheney2004 Posted July 8, 2012 Report Posted July 8, 2012 None of this matters, the worldview of today's NDP is the same as the foundation of socialism and communism. It's all about collectivisation through erosion of individual sovereignty in the name of the (imagined) greater good. Agreed...as evidenced by this NDP membership solicitation: I'm a member of a union I'm un(der)employed My age is 26 years or less Please indicate if you identify as part of one of the following equity seeking groups and would like to receive mail on relevant issues. First Nations, Métis, Inuit Gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered Person living with a disability Visible minority Woman https://secure.ndp.ca/membership_e.php Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Moonlight Graham Posted July 8, 2012 Report Posted July 8, 2012 Will it dispel the idea they're morons? If you're lucky to get the 1 out of 10 or so that isn't a moron, no. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Guest Derek L Posted July 9, 2012 Report Posted July 9, 2012 Agreed...as evidenced by this NDP membership solicitation: I'm a member of a union I'm un(der)employed My age is 26 years or less Please indicate if you identify as part of one of the following equity seeking groups and would like to receive mail on relevant issues. First Nations, Métis, Inuit Gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered Person living with a disability Visible minority Woman https://secure.ndp.ca/membership_e.php I’ve seen you post that before….I always thought it a joke……Until I just clicked on the link…..All I can say is WOW Quote
Guest Derek L Posted July 9, 2012 Report Posted July 9, 2012 Your ignorance of the labour movement in Canada and the history of the NDP is pretty apparent here. The NDP throughout its entire history has fought against being co-opted by the far left in Canadian politics. The inception of the CCF was about fending off Communists and creating a party that was about democratic socialism. Today the NDP is moving away from democratic socialism towards social democracy. You, as well as others, seem to be falling for the out-group homogeneity bias where one believes that their own group is more varied than other groups. That is why you were called out on your ridiculous "left v right" broad sweeping generalisations, which you claimed you're smart enough to know are not accurate. Meanwhile, you continue to show a number of biases when you post. Really? From the NDP website: http://xfer.ndp.ca/2011/2011-constitution/2011-11-CONSTITUTION-ENG.pdf The entire Preamble states the NDP believe that “social, economic and political progress of Canada” can only be achieved with the principles of Democratic Socialism implemented in government and public affairs……..It’s right at the top of their Constitution, so why the disconnect between your statement and the NDP’s? Quote
dre Posted July 9, 2012 Report Posted July 9, 2012 I completely support movements to implement educational reform to put more emphasis on true patriotism What kind of piece of shit country would have to teach "patriotism"? Your country is either something to be proud of or it isnt. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
waldo Posted July 9, 2012 Report Posted July 9, 2012 ... and I'm still trying to find confirmation that "the tea party demand[ed]" this bill. why quibble over the word 'demanded'...in even less than 6 degrees - coming soon to your state, or one nearby! => American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC): conservative stealth lobby group involved in developing model legislation to be introduced into U.S. state legislatures... in this particular case, a large-scale assault on public education, working towards state legislation to transform the education system via voucher programs. => Louisiana Republican Governor, Bobby Jindal and ALEC: Gov. Jindal has reshaped Louisiana's public education system based on ALEC's blueprints ///// ALEC and school reform: Louisiana plan mirrors think tank's blueprint => Koch brothers & ALEC: ALEC Exposed: The Koch Connection => Koch brothers: instrumental in founding Tea Party; the Tea Party's wallet! Quote
waldo Posted July 9, 2012 Report Posted July 9, 2012 I’ve seen you post that before….I always thought it a joke……Until I just clicked on the link…..All I can say is WOW what exactly... exactly... warrants an emphatic WOW? Quote
Guest Derek L Posted July 9, 2012 Report Posted July 9, 2012 what exactly... exactly... warrants an emphatic WOW? The specific categorization of potential members. You see, "we" don't care about individual specifics and/or differences. Quote
waldo Posted July 9, 2012 Report Posted July 9, 2012 The specific categorization of potential members. You see, "we" don't care about individual specifics and/or differences. oh please, they're optional inputs - not required to complete the NDP application... could they be anymore innocuous, even if supplied? by the by, perhaps you should acquaint yourself with the Conservative CIMS database - I understand it has a wealth of demographic info. Robocall anyone? Quote
Guest Derek L Posted July 9, 2012 Report Posted July 9, 2012 oh please, they're optional inputs - not required to complete the NDP application... could they be anymore innocuous, even if supplied? by the by, perhaps you should acquaint yourself with the Conservative CIMS database - I understand it has a wealth of demographic info. Robocall anyone? Then why ask? I would think any potential member belonging to any or all of such “inputs” wouldn’t require special attention……..As I said, when I saw the form posted prior, I thought it a joke, not fact. Quote
waldo Posted July 9, 2012 Report Posted July 9, 2012 Then why ask? I would think any potential member belonging to any or all of such “inputs” wouldn’t require special attention……..As I said, when I saw the form posted prior, I thought it a joke, not fact. buddy, your emphatic WOW caught my attention - so I asked. You offered up a comparison; one that pales relative to the Conservative CIMS database. WOW! Quote
Guest Derek L Posted July 9, 2012 Report Posted July 9, 2012 buddy, your emphatic WOW caught my attention - so I asked. You offered up a comparison; one that pales relative to the Conservative CIMS database. WOW! Nice deflection…….So why does the NDP care about a members sexuality or membership in a union? Quote
waldo Posted July 9, 2012 Report Posted July 9, 2012 Nice deflection…….So why does the NDP care about a members sexuality or membership in a union? no deflection offered. You could answer your same question in regards the information kept within the Conservative CIMS database - why does the CPC care? Quote
Guest Derek L Posted July 9, 2012 Report Posted July 9, 2012 no deflection offered. You could answer your same question in regards the information kept within the Conservative CIMS database - why does the CPC care? You first Quote
waldo Posted July 9, 2012 Report Posted July 9, 2012 You first duh! How old are you, really? Since you insist on playing silly buggar, the CPC CIMS database is known to include preferences, affiliations, demographic data, etc.; data that the CPC uses for its analyses before planning election campaign strategies... for issue tracking... etc.. Whatever database the NDP uses... or the Liberals use... or the Green Party uses... or the BLOC uses, I expect they all similarly collect/gather information for the same ends. Does that (also) warrant an emphatic WOW from you? Quote
Guest Derek L Posted July 9, 2012 Report Posted July 9, 2012 duh! How old are you, really? Since you insist on playing silly buggar, the CPC CIMS database is known to include preferences, affiliations, demographic data, etc.; data that the CPC uses for its analyses before planning election campaign strategies... for issue tracking... etc.. Whatever database the NDP uses... or the Liberals use... or the Green Party uses... or the BLOC uses, I expect they all similarly collect/gather information for the same ends. Does that (also) warrant an emphatic WOW from you? Hey, does someone need their nap? You asked a question based on my response to BC, and I responded with my reasoning for being “shocked” by the NDP’s line of questioning of potential members, then I asked why such info is important to the New Democratic Party…….You know, quid pro quo like…….And your response is to change subjects? I’ll take that response to mean you don’t know why the NDP asks such questions…… Quote
waldo Posted July 9, 2012 Report Posted July 9, 2012 Hey, does someone need their nap? You asked a question based on my response to BC, and I responded with my reasoning for being “shocked” by the NDP’s line of questioning of potential members, then I asked why such info is important to the New Democratic Party…….You know, quid pro quo like…….And your response is to change subjects? I’ll take that response to mean you don’t know why the NDP asks such questions…… you can't read... but let's go with your lack of comprehension. You said, "You first". After you, Alphonse. Why does the CPC collect and gather preference, affiliation, demographic, etc., data within its CIMS database. When/if you do actually end your silly buggar act and respond, make sure to also include another emphatic WOW! Quote
Guest Derek L Posted July 9, 2012 Report Posted July 9, 2012 you can't read... but let's go with your lack of comprehension. You said, "You first". After you, Alphonse. Why does the CPC collect and gather preference, affiliation, demographic, etc., data within its CIMS database. When/if you do actually end your silly buggar act and respond, make sure to also include another emphatic WOW! So your answer to the reason why the NDP is interested in potential members sexuality or union status is because everyone else does it? I’ve yet been asked such questions by the PC, Reform, Alliance and Conservative Party of Canada when joining/renewing my memberships……Come to think of it, on the Provincial level, I was never asked as much my both Social Credit or the BC Liberals. Quote
waldo Posted July 9, 2012 Report Posted July 9, 2012 So your answer to the reason why the NDP is interested in potential members sexuality or union status is because everyone else does it? I’ve yet been asked such questions by the PC, Reform, Alliance and Conservative Party of Canada when joining/renewing my memberships……Come to think of it, on the Provincial level, I was never asked as much my both Social Credit or the BC Liberals. I've given you my answer... if you want more out it, place it tightly between your legs and squeeze. While you're doing that, why not answer the same question I keep asking you; the same question you keep repeatedly avoiding. Why does the CPC care... why does the CPC gather/collect preference, affiliation, demographic, etc., data. Why? Why is that such a difficult question for you to manage? Quote
Shakeyhands Posted July 9, 2012 Report Posted July 9, 2012 Nice deflection…….So why does the NDP care about a members sexuality or membership in a union? Says why right above the choices.... Please indicate if you identify as part of one of the following equity seeking groups and would like to receive mail on relevant issues. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Guest Derek L Posted July 9, 2012 Report Posted July 9, 2012 Says why right above the choices.... No, above that, where it asks of union involvement, if one in under/unemployed and 26 or less………………..What is the NDP's hidden agenda with unions? I mean, they've already been caught breaking political financing laws...........What are they up to? Quote
waldo Posted July 9, 2012 Report Posted July 9, 2012 What are they up to? still waiting, hey? Why does the CPC collect and gather preference, affiliation, demographic, etc., data within its CIMS database. When/if you do actually end your silly buggar act and respond, make sure to also include another emphatic WOW! Quote
Guest American Woman Posted July 9, 2012 Report Posted July 9, 2012 I’ve seen you post that before….I always thought it a joke……Until I just clicked on the link…..All I can say is WOW I thought it was a joke too - and basically had the same reaction as you when I found out it was legit. why quibble over the word 'demanded'...in even less than 6 degrees - coming soon to your state, or one nearby! I wasn't - but thanks for your irrelevant input all the same. Quote
dre Posted July 9, 2012 Report Posted July 9, 2012 Why all the confused outrage about this sign up form? It simply gives applicants a chance to sign up for correspondence and information that the NDP sends out to people belonging to these different groups if they choose to check one of the boxes. Jesus.... Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
cybercoma Posted July 9, 2012 Report Posted July 9, 2012 Really? From the NDP website: http://xfer.ndp.ca/2011/2011-constitution/2011-11-CONSTITUTION-ENG.pdf The entire Preamble states the NDP believe that “social, economic and political progress of Canada” can only be achieved with the principles of Democratic Socialism implemented in government and public affairs……..It’s right at the top of their Constitution, so why the disconnect between your statement and the NDP’s? Because the pre-amble can only be changed at convention by the membership. I can guarantee you that it will probably be changed within the next couple years. You need to look at the NDP in practice, rather than what the out-dated preamble to their constitution says. Quote
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