Julian Fantino to replace Bev Oda

[na85]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/07/04/pol-cabinet-shuffle-fantino-valcourt.html

Without question, this man is a criminal and should be incarcerated. I lived in Ontario when he was with the various police forces there, and he seemingly moved from one scandal to the next, whether it be arresting gays under false pretences or shutting down corruption investigations into Toronto narcotics squads.

I am absolutely disgusted revolted by this appointment.

[Wild Bill]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/07/04/pol-cabinet-shuffle-fantino-valcourt.html

Without question, this man is a criminal and should be incarcerated. I lived in Ontario when he was with the various police forces there, and he seemingly moved from one scandal to the next, whether it be arresting gays under false pretences or shutting down corruption investigations into Toronto narcotics squads.

I am absolutely disgusted revolted by this appointment.

Not to mention how he withheld the protection of the Law from the citizens of Caledonia...for political expediency.

[j44]

On its face this seems like a 'here comes the axe' type appointment.

[Guest Peeves]

Not to mention how he withheld the protection of the Law from the citizens of Caledonia...for political expediency.

Certainly just one of the things I would mention in this appointment. I don't trust him at all.

[Argus]

Certainly just one of the things I would mention in this appointment. I don't trust him at all.

Nobody sane would trust Fantino.

[capricorn]

Here's hoping the CIDA portfolio continues on the ODA poison path, that is to deep six its newly appointed minister.

[Topaz]

Do you realize how many pensions this guy is getting or go to get? One from the city of London, ON, one from Toronto, from the province, and now one from the federal government. I wonder how good he is in preventing paying too much taxes?

[Moonlight Graham]

from the Vancouver Sun:

The decision to appoint Fantino was unexpected as he does not appear to boast much international experience, particularly with developing countries. His recent record as associate defence minister has also been spotty.

Fantino had been responsible for overseeing the F-35 stealth fighter program and other military procurement projects, but they were largely taken out of his hands after a number of problems in recent months.

Fantino's appointment prompted immediate reactions from international development experts and opposition critics who questioned his credentials.

Fantino knows butt-all about development or developing countries. As with many ministers, they're appointments are based on patronage rather than expetise. Peter Kent, environmental expert!

They [development eexperts] also accused the Harper government of having a low - or even skewed - view of foreign aid, one that sees it as merely tool for advancing Canadian interests and not for eliminating poverty in the world's poorest countries.

This is the same thing a development officer I talked to last week said. Harper doesn't give a rat about helping people in developing countries, just Canadian interests, meaning foreign aid for the Harper gov is a neo-imperial tool. What a wonderful Christian! Conservative Christian hypocrites are hilarious I tell you (according to the teachings of Jesus, Christians should be socialist pacifists). This gov has slashed foreign aid spending to developing countries and CIDA significantly. Bravo numb-nuts.

Edited July 8, 2012 by Moonlight Graham

[Newfoundlander]

Do you realize how many pensions this guy is getting or go to get? One from the city of London, ON, one from Toronto, from the province, and now one from the federal government. I wonder how good he is in preventing paying too much taxes?

He worked and paid into them. I also find it odd that he'd get a pension from both cities and the province, his years of service would likely have been transferred to each job.

[Mr.Canada]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/07/04/pol-cabinet-shuffle-fantino-valcourt.html

Without question, this man is a criminal and should be incarcerated. I lived in Ontario when he was with the various police forces there, and he seemingly moved from one scandal to the next, whether it be arresting gays under false pretences or shutting down corruption investigations into Toronto narcotics squads.

I am absolutely disgusted revolted by this appointment.

There is no need for attacks like this which do nothing to entice good debate. Please when posting you must include sources of your "facts" or you will not be taken seriously.

If you don't like the Tories don't vote for them in the next election. Your vote is worth the same as everyone else's, one.

[Wild Bill]

There is no need for attacks like this which do nothing to entice good debate. Please when posting you must include sources of your "facts" or you will not be taken seriously.

If you don't like the Tories don't vote for them in the next election. Your vote is worth the same as everyone else's, one.

Well Mr. Canada, as usual I expect I will vote Tory by default, since the other choices are less to my liking.

Still, when they "adopted" Fantino it REALLY shook my confidence in the present CPC values! Not just for how he handled Caledonia, although that was bad enough. Race based Law for political expediency, indeed.

No, I had gotten a poor opinion of him for some of the messes he had been involved in even before that!

If you take a superficial view his "tough on crime" attitude seems admirable but if you dig even slightly below the surface he obviously couldn't give a damn for people as individuals. Certainly, he doesn't see the law as something that should be applied equally to every citizen.

He reminds me of that famous Viet Nam era general who was quoted as saying "In order to save the village it was necessary to destroy it!".

'Righteous' might be a good description. The kind of person who if he thinks it a good idea would cut off SOMEONE ELSE'S arm!

[Guest Peeves]

Well Mr. Canada, as usual I expect I will vote Tory by default, since the other choices are less to my liking.

Still, when they "adopted" Fantino it REALLY shook my confidence in the present CPC values! Not just for how he handled Caledonia, although that was bad enough. Race based Law for political expediency, indeed.

No, I had gotten a poor opinion of him for some of the messes he had been involved in even before that!

If you take a superficial view his "tough on crime" attitude seems admirable but if you dig even slightly below the surface he obviously couldn't give a damn for people as individuals. Certainly, he doesn't see the law as something that should be applied equally to every citizen.

He reminds me of that famous Viet Nam era general who was quoted as saying "In order to save the village it was necessary to destroy it!".

'Righteous' might be a good description. The kind of person who if he thinks it a good idea would cut off SOMEONE ELSE'S arm!

I'm sending a link to this post to Harper.

[na85]

There is no need for attacks like this which do nothing to entice good debate. Please when posting you must include sources of your "facts" or you will not be taken seriously.

This stuff happened years ago and has been thoroughly mulled-over in the media ever since; I didn't think it was necessary to link it.

http://www.thestar.com/news/investigations/article/737502--police-unplugged-corruption-probe-lawyer-says

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2006/11/24/fantino-taskforce.html

http://www.macleans.ca/canada/national/article.jsp?content=20070518_120122_12740

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2010/11/19/toronto-police-recordings-eng.html

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2011/04/12/fantino-riding-association-resignations.html?ref=rssBy

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2009/12/09/toronto-drug-officers476.html

He's never faced the music, but then again you don't get to be chief of the OPP without knowing how to dodge a few land mines along the way.

Your vote is worth the same as everyone else's, one.

Please quote where I indicated otherwise.

[Guest Peeves]

error.

Edited July 9, 2012 by Peeves

[westguy]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/07/04/pol-cabinet-shuffle-fantino-valcourt.html

Without question, this man is a criminal and should be incarcerated. I lived in Ontario when he was with the various police forces there, and he seemingly moved from one scandal to the next, whether it be arresting gays under false pretences or shutting down corruption investigations into Toronto narcotics squads.

I am absolutely disgusted revolted by this appointment.

not to mention his selective law enforcement in Caledonia

[eyeball]

Not to mention how he withheld the protection of the Law from the citizens of Caledonia...for political expediency.

not to mention his selective law enforcement in Caledonia

Is it the particular law he with-held, who or really how it's protection was with-held from that's got everyone's ginch in a knot? In any case what explains Fantino getting Harper's nod is this very capacity and willingness to selectively follow/apply laws according to political expediency.

I'm sure if you're patient Fantino will one day with-hold or apply the law selectively from/against someone more to your's and Harper's disliking and you'll feel better about him.

[Guest Peeves]

Is it the particular law he with-held, who or really how it's protection was with-held from that's got everyone's ginch in a knot? In any case what explains Fantino getting Harper's nod is this very capacity and willingness to selectively follow/apply laws according to political expediency.

I'm sure if you're patient Fantino will one day with-hold or apply the law selectively from/against someone more to your's and Harper's disliking and you'll feel better about him.

What's the difference. Either as an officer of the law he serves as expected to protect citizens from law breakers or he doesn't do his duty.

I share the view of "Conservatives against Fantino."

Julian Fantino is a symbol of the Race-Based Policing practices in Caledonia that saw innocent property owners victimized with illegal occupations while OPP officers stood guard for those committing the crimes. His candidacy for the Conservative Party would symbolize that the party has fully embraced racialized policing and the dangerous ideology that innocent victims should be controlled, silenced and targeted for arrest as an alternative to enforcing the law against extremist groups. Julian Fantino has shown scarcely believable bias in favour of native criminals all the while using the full weight of his office to try to intimidate peaceful, law-abiding non-natives into compliance.

Legendary Canadian journalist Peter Worthington, founder of the Toronto Sun, comments on Caledonia & Fantino…

“It is a horror story for ordinary people who were the victims of thuggery. But it’s a greater horror story for the OPP which behaved with negligence, dereliction of duty and, yes, cowardice. Officers on the job turned a blind eye to people being beaten, homes threatened, curfews imposed, road blocks established. On occasion, the OPP even refused to come to the aid of a fellow officer being beaten. And now Julian Fantino wants to be a federal MP and cabinet minister. Shame on him for Caledonia, and for his failure to lead.”

http://conservativesagainstfantino.wordpress.com/

Did then do now.

Edited July 9, 2012 by Peeves

[Moonlight Graham]

This stuff happened years ago and has been thoroughly mulled-over in the media ever since; I didn't think it was necessary to link it.

http://www.thestar.com/news/investigations/article/737502--police-unplugged-corruption-probe-lawyer-says

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2006/11/24/fantino-taskforce.html

http://www.macleans.ca/canada/national/article.jsp?content=20070518_120122_12740

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2010/11/19/toronto-police-recordings-eng.html

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2011/04/12/fantino-riding-association-resignations.html?ref=rssBy

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2009/12/09/toronto-drug-officers476.html

Wow, thanks for posting. The guy appears to be a stereotypical crooked cop.

Edited July 10, 2012 by Moonlight Graham

[cybercoma]

Well Mr. Canada, as usual I expect I will vote Tory by default, since the other choices are less to my liking.

Still, when they "adopted" Fantino it REALLY shook my confidence in the present CPC values! Not just for how he handled Caledonia, although that was bad enough. Race based Law for political expediency, indeed.

No, I had gotten a poor opinion of him for some of the messes he had been involved in even before that!

If you take a superficial view his "tough on crime" attitude seems admirable but if you dig even slightly below the surface he obviously couldn't give a damn for people as individuals. Certainly, he doesn't see the law as something that should be applied equally to every citizen.

He reminds me of that famous Viet Nam era general who was quoted as saying "In order to save the village it was necessary to destroy it!".

'Righteous' might be a good description. The kind of person who if he thinks it a good idea would cut off SOMEONE ELSE'S arm!

If you don't want the entire village destroyed, then it's incumbent upon you not to vote for it to be destroyed. If you don't want to vote for any of the other parties, then you might want to spoil your ballot.

[Wild Bill]

If you don't want the entire village destroyed, then it's incumbent upon you not to vote for it to be destroyed. If you don't want to vote for any of the other parties, then you might want to spoil your ballot.

I've been a scrutineer before. I know what a spoiled ballot means - squat!

No one cares! Sure such votes are tallied but the numbers are very small.

It's really just an ego thing for whoever is doing the spoiling. NO ONE cares in the slightest!

Not being a drama queen myself, I would never bother doing such a thing.

The sad reality is that the ONLY thing that has any chance of change is actually voting! The chance may be vanishingly small but everything else has a chance of ZERO!

[cybercoma]

I've been a scrutineer before. I know what a spoiled ballot means - squat!

It means a vote that's not cancelling out another one. It also shows on the voters' lists that you showed up to the polling station, so it counts towards participation. The only reason I suggest spoiling your ballot is because I don't imagine you would vote for any of the other parties; however, supporting a party that does things that deserve political punishment is unconscionable.

[Wild Bill]

It means a vote that's not cancelling out another one. It also shows on the voters' lists that you showed up to the polling station, so it counts towards participation. The only reason I suggest spoiling your ballot is because I don't imagine you would vote for any of the other parties; however, supporting a party that does things that deserve political punishment is unconscionable.

You don't share my perspective, CC. I will be 60 this fall. Over my life I have seen ALL parties do things that I considered unconscionable!

So I accept that they are ALL flawed and as I always like to say, I vote for who smells the least!

As a side note, correct me if I'm wrong but I get a sense from you and some other posters that you consider your own team "saints" and all others "sinners". This attitude has always puzzled me as it just doesn't seem logical. ALL could be saints or ALL could be sinners! The virtues or foibles of one choice are totally irrelevant to those of another.

Or am I reading too much into some posters enthusiasm?

[cybercoma]

correct me if I'm wrong but I get a sense from you and some other posters that you consider your own team "saints" and all others "sinners".

You shouldn't get that from me. I generally support the NDP, but I'm not against punishing them for doing things that I find completely unacceptable by either not voting or voting for another party. I will also criticize them when it's deserved. The only thing they've done recently that deserves criticism is over charging for advertising at their convention, which is stupid, but not nearly as bad as what the governing party has been doing.

[Wild Bill]

You shouldn't get that from me. I generally support the NDP, but I'm not against punishing them for doing things that I find completely unacceptable by either not voting or voting for another party. I will also criticize them when it's deserved. The only thing they've done recently that deserves criticism is over charging for advertising at their convention, which is stupid, but not nearly as bad as what the governing party has been doing.

Well, perhaps I am just harsher on politicians and parties than you. You cited "the only thing they've done recently" as what bothers you.

Me, I NEVER forget! I still hold things that happened over 40 years ago against them! I realize that the people that make up parties change and evolve over the years but still, parties have a culture of their own and some cultural traits can last for years and years before they change or die out. Just because a party changes its leader doesn't mean there are not still lots of the same party members in the gang, influencing action and policy.

As the old saying goes, a politician's worst nightmare is a voter with a long memory!

[cybercoma]

Me, I NEVER forget! I still hold things that happened over 40 years ago against them!

Well that's just silly.