kraychik Posted July 13, 2012 Author Report Posted July 13, 2012 Oh, kraychik...seriously, you need to grow some awareness. We've all had this discussion before, more or less word-for-word, with other extremists. No one is distressed; it's just that everyone (with the possible exception of Shady) seems to disagree with you. I'm not here to win a popularity contest, I don't mind being the only person in the room who understands that the contemporary left has far more in common with Nazism than today's right, for reasons I've already explained. It is not my problem if the truth distresses you. Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) I'm not here to win a popularity contest, I don't mind being the only person in the room who understands that the contemporary left has far more in common with Nazism than today's right, for reasons I've already explained. It is not my problem if the truth distresses you. We understand that todays left has more in relation with Nazism than today's right or at least your version of "today's right" mainly because you are so far right you make the Nazi's look like communists... And also there is the truth and your "truth", one being based on fact and your "truth" being based on fantasy... Edited July 13, 2012 by Signals.Cpl Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
kraychik Posted July 13, 2012 Author Report Posted July 13, 2012 No. You're a fringe fanatic shouting discredited nonsense. There is nothing "fanatic" about describing Nazism as a leftist movement, and stating the obvious truth: that's today's left has common ideological underpinnings with other statist (leftist) ideologies such as Nazism, communism, socialism, and Islamism. Leftists like yourself are more prone to this social disease (follow the leader) than those of us on the right. Again, this is grounded in our much greater respect for the sovereignty of the individual, whereas leftists like yourself have far less respect for individual autonomy and wish to place more control into the hands of a government which will direct more of our decisions for us. I've just reminded myself of another telling phenomenon that distinguishes the right from the left, and this is how the left is far more vulnerable to making gods from their leaders. The way the left fawns over its leadership (see Barack Obama for a recent example) completely outdoes anything you'll ever see from conservatives. This is because the left believes that there are individuals among us, so gifted, so knowledgeable, so benevolent, that they can be entrusted with great power to direct societies. They are endowed with special abilities that allow them to outthink the collective wisdom of millions of freely-associating individuals making decisions in real time. This is essentially the socialist viewpoint, where they believe the intelligentsia can outthink markets, and improve efficiencies and quality (see Obamacare for a recent example of this widespread subscription from the left to the mythology of the government being able to reduce costs and increase quality of products and services). A conservative would never believe any of this nonsense, of course, because we know that one individual, or even a bureaucracy of thousands featuring the "smartest people in the world" cannot outthink a free society. This is another factor of the right that allows us to serve as the immunity in society towards tyranny, where the left represents our vulnerability. Quote
kraychik Posted July 13, 2012 Author Report Posted July 13, 2012 We understand that todays left has more in relation with Nazism than today's right or at least your version of "today's right" mainly because you are so far right you make the Nazi's look like communists... And also there is the truth and your "truth", one being based on fact and your "truth" being based on fantasy... Considering that you were in another thread telling us about how you want to broaden the scope of power of the UN and distribute for power over the UN's decision-making process to countries like Zimbabwe and Saudi Arabia, I'm not sure you have any respectable conservative credentials. Any conservatism you subscribe to is perhaps superficial and not grounded in well thought out principles. Quote
Peter F Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) I'm not here to win a popularity contest, I don't mind being the only person in the room who understands that the contemporary left has far more in common with Nazism than today's right, for reasons I've already explained. It is not my problem if the truth distresses you. Actually I don't think you understand a damn thing. According to you Nazis/Marxists/commies/liberals/NDP/whoever-you-disagree-with are 'Statists' wherein those fools think the state should have some control over the people that make up the state. Yet at the same time "the Right" (whoever the hell they are since you have never defined them - probably because you have no effing idea who the right is beyond yourself) are lesser statists! The Right that I know think we need more prisons; a larger armed forces to intervene in the affairs of other states; like the-rule-of-law (completely statist!); Fire departments and hell even taxes! Your a nut. An anarchist nut. Edited July 13, 2012 by Peter F Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
Black Dog Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 Actually I don't think you understand a damn thing. According to you Nazis/Marxists/commies/liberals/NDP/whoever-you-disagree-with are 'Statists' wherein those fools think the state should have some control over the people that make up the state. Yet at the same time "the Right" (whoever the hell they are since you have never defined them - probably because you have no effing idea who the right is beyond yourself) are lesser statists! The Right that I know think we need more prisons; a larger armed forces to intervene in the affairs of other states; like the-rule-of-law (completely statist!); Fire departments and hell even taxes! Your a nut. An anarchist nut. He's just posting the same post over and over again. I think it might be a bot. Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 Considering that you were in another thread telling us about how you want to broaden the scope of power of the UN and distribute for power over the UN's decision-making process to countries like Zimbabwe and Saudi Arabia, I'm not sure you have any respectable conservative credentials. Any conservatism you subscribe to is perhaps superficial and not grounded in well thought out principles. I am not conservative on everything, I will not support a policy just because it is conservative, I support policy because I agree with it...unlike by the sound of it, you, agreeing with policy because it is conservative wether its good or bad for the country. I dislike people like you who are so singleminded and unable to think outside of their exceptionally narrow view on politics and the world in general, wether you are far right or far left I know that you are incapable of making rational decisions because you are incapable of moving away from your far right narrow-minded extremist position. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
kraychik Posted July 13, 2012 Author Report Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) I will not support a policy just because it is conservative, I support policy because I agree with it It is obvious you do not have a coherent set of principles grounding your approach to political or economic issues. Edited July 13, 2012 by kraychik Quote
kraychik Posted July 13, 2012 Author Report Posted July 13, 2012 Your a nut. An anarchist nut. You're a communist. Quote
kraychik Posted July 13, 2012 Author Report Posted July 13, 2012 Your a nut. An anarchist nut. Is this an insult breaking the rules and guidelines of forum participation? Perhaps I should send a message to Charles Anthony. Quote
Peter F Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 Is this an insult breaking the rules and guidelines of forum participation? Perhaps I should send a message to Charles Anthony. Perhaps you should get on with it. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
Black Dog Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 Is this an insult breaking the rules and guidelines of forum participation? Perhaps I should send a message to Charles Anthony. STATIST Quote
Black Dog Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 I'm not here to win a popularity contest, I don't mind being the only person in the room who understands that the contemporary left has far more in common with Nazism than today's right, for reasons I've already explained. It is not my problem if the truth distresses you. The question remains: why should we give a shit? Quote
bleeding heart Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) There is nothing "fanatic" about describing Nazism as a leftist movement, and stating the obvious truth: that's today's left has common ideological underpinnings with other statist (leftist) ideologies such as Nazism, communism, socialism, and Islamism. Yes, I understand the trajectory of your argument perfectly well. All that is bad is leftist, and all that is good is rightist. A rather beautiful little tautology, and one that informs all your stated opinions. Leftists like yourself are more prone to this social disease (follow the leader) than those of us on the right. You haven't heard of Saint Reagan? Edited July 13, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
kraychik Posted July 13, 2012 Author Report Posted July 13, 2012 The altar of Reagan is not worshipped at nearly to the same degree as leftist grovel at the altar of their leaders. There is comparison between the cult of personality around, say, Obama, and admiration of Reagan from yesterday and today. More importantly, however, Reagan was a conservative who didn't want to micromanage people's lives. There's a significant difference between admiring a leader who wants to delegate responsibility to the individual citizens and a leader who wants to rule over the citizenry. This comes down to a philosophical divide between the right and the left, where the left is prone to believing that there are individuals among us who are bestowed with god-like abilities to outmanoeuvre freely associating individuals in a free society. If the left didn't believe that there such magnanimously gifted people among us, they wouldn't be able to reconcile granting certain individuals such a broad degree of control over our lives. Only a demi-god can have such knowledge and wisdom so as to be trust to manage society and outthink millions, tens of millions, or even hundreds of millions freely associating individuals. This is why the left, by design, must prop up its leadership and play this demented sort of cult of personality game. We saw the exact same sickness after the death of Jack Layton. The extreme case would be, of course, Kim Il Sung or Kim Jong Il. Quote
guyser Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 The altar of Reagan is not worshipped at nearly to the same degree as leftist grovel at the altar of their leaders. Ok , with that statement, you prove no knowledge of history. Use the name Reagan and conservatives wet thier pants. There is comparison between the cult of personality around, say, Obama, and admiration of Reagan from yesterday and today. More importantly, however, Reagan was a conservative who didn't want to micromanage people's lives. There's a significant difference between admiring a leader who wants to delegate responsibility to the individual citizens and a leader who wants to rule over the citizenry. You mean the guy who raised the size of govt beyond reproach? The guy that increased taxes and the deficit like almost none had before? School-> September->good, take history class. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) Use the name Reagan and conservatives wet thier pants. Use the name Reagan and liberals poop their pants. Edited July 13, 2012 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Signals.Cpl Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 It is obvious you do not have a coherent set of principles grounding your approach to political or economic issues. Its obvious that you cannot think for yourself and the harder you try to disguise it the more obvious it becomes. I am not guided by somebody else's Idea's and I am not terrified of supporting policy that is good, wether it comes from the right or the left. You don't have the ability to think, fools like you support a policy because it's conservative without regard as to wether its a good idea or not. My principles are MINE and they guide me to vote and support ideas no matter who proposed the idea or policy, if I think it is good policy I will agree if it is not I will disagree... unfortunately the world is populated by dimwitted people who cannot think for themselves and need a political ideology to guide their every move and make their every decision, I realize you cannot think for yourself but that doesn't mean that the rest of us cannot and do not think for ourselves and form our own ideas and are guided by our own principles. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
cybercoma Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 Since krazychick is just going to post the same nonsense repeatedly, we can all go about ignoring her silliness now. Can't we? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) Since krazychick is just going to post the same nonsense repeatedly, we can all go about ignoring her silliness now. Can't we? Not at all....each member can decide for him/herself was is "nonsense" and what is not. What we don't need is your constant cheer leading for a very narrow and biased point of view, complete with adolescent insults. I personally would like to belatedly welcome member kraychik to the forum and send thanks for spicing things up a bit. Edited July 13, 2012 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Black Dog Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 Not at all....each member can decide for him/herself was is "nonsense" and what is not. What we don't need is your constant cheer leading for a very narrow and biased point of view, complete with adolescent insults. I personally would like to belatedly welcome member kraychik to the forum and send thanks for spicing things up a bit. Trolls stick together. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 Not at all....each member can decide for him/herself was is "nonsense" and what is not. What we don't need is your constant cheer leading for a very narrow and biased point of view, complete with adolescent insults. I personally would like to belatedly welcome member kraychik to the forum and send thanks for spicing things up a bit. Yeah...it's cute when cyber wants to hold hands, though...lol. cyber: Awww guys...we're all united against a common enemy. BC-2004: ~burp~ DOP: Has anyone seen my damn car keys??? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Canuckistani Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 What we don't need is your constant cheer leading for a very narrow and biased point of view, complete with adolescent insults. I personally would like to belatedly welcome member kraychik to the forum and send thanks for spicing things up a bit. Seems like a very backhanded welcome to me. First you criticize him, then welcome him? Shouldn't that at least be the other way around? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 Yeah...it's cute when cyber wants to hold hands, though...lol. I guess he only wants a forum with like minded members.....B-O-R-I-N-G !! cyber: Awww guys...we're all united against a common enemy. BC-2004: ~burp~ DOP: Has anyone seen my damn car keys??? LOL! ~fart~ Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 Seems like a very backhanded welcome to me. First you criticize him, then welcome him? Shouldn't that at least be the other way around? Why? I welcome all points of view. It adds to the fun....or if you prefer....intellectual intercourse. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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