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Shady · July 12, 2012

So your position is that Hitler didn't destroy the trade unions and Churchill didn't invest in Krupp? You fellows turning Nazism into a Socialist movement are too funny!

You continue to ignore national health care, and national education, etc. You continue to focus on the implementation of policies, instead of the policies themselves.

Shady · July 12, 2012

You also continue to ignore the specifics of the Nazi political platform. I'm guessing pruposely.

Black Dog · July 12, 2012

You continue to ignore national health care, and national education, etc. You continue to focus on the implementation of policies, instead of the policies themselves.

And you continue to ignore (or more likely, you just don't know) that fascism was only able to elevate itself above a mob rabble through the participation of industrialists and financiers who saw in it an acceptable alternative to Soviet-style communism.

Black Dog · July 12, 2012

You also continue to ignore the specifics of the Nazi political platform. I'm guessing pruposely.

And you're cherry picking.

Shady · July 12, 2012

And you're cherry picking.

Nope, you're the one that's cherry picking. You continue to focus on how policies were implemented instead of the policies themselves. Which were almost all socialist.

Black Dog · July 12, 2012

Nope, you're the one that's cherry picking. You continue to focus on how policies were implemented instead of the policies themselves. Which were almost all socialist.

Let's say that was the case: so fucking what?

Canuckistani · July 12, 2012

You continue to ignore national health care, and national education, etc. You continue to focus on the implementation of policies, instead of the policies themselves.

National education? Seriously? No non-socialist states anywhere in that case.

Shady · July 12, 2012

Let's say that was the case: so fucking what?

I agree. It's very unimportant and mostly semantics on all sides.

DogOnPorch · July 12, 2012

You also continue to ignore the specifics of the Nazi political platform. I'm guessing pruposely.

So you're to the 'Right' of Hitler? That would explain alot.

DogOnPorch · July 12, 2012

Perhaps one of you Nazism = Communism types can explain how Volkische Bewegung and the concept of the Aryan Master Race fit into your socialism model?

kraychik · July 12, 2012

Perhaps one of you Nazism = Communism types can explain how Volkische Bewegung and the concept of the Aryan Master Race fit into your socialism model?

Nobody said that Nazism was communism. What was said, repeatedly and clearly, is that Nazism is a leftist ideology in the sense that leftism is essentially statism. These are are different strands of the same ideological family. All of these ideologies crush the individual in order to serve the interests of the collective as defined by the political class of elites. This is what unifies communism, socialism, Nazism, Islamism, fascism and other tyrannies under the umbrella of leftism/statism. That's it, that's all.

DogOnPorch · July 12, 2012

Nobody said that Nazism was communism. What was said, repeatedly and clearly, is that Nazism is a leftist ideology in the sense that leftism is essentially statism. These are are different strands of the same ideological family. All of these ideologies crush the individual in order to serve the interests of the collective as defined by the political class of elites. This is what unifies communism, socialism, Nazism, Islamism, fascism and other tyrannies under the umbrella of leftism/statism. That's it, that's all.

And once again you ignore the FACT that Nazi Germany did not have a centralized socialist government. Plus, brush over Volkische Bewegung like it didn't exist. But, your silly attempts at revisionism are amusing to me. I value entertainment @ my forums.

Signals.Cpl · July 12, 2012

Nobody said that Nazism was communism. What was said, repeatedly and clearly, is that Nazism is a leftist ideology in the sense that leftism is essentially statism. These are are different strands of the same ideological family. All of these ideologies crush the individual in order to serve the interests of the collective as defined by the political class of elites. This is what unifies communism, socialism, Nazism, Islamism, fascism and other tyrannies under the umbrella of leftism/statism. That's it, that's all.

Please wipe your mouth, there is still a tiny bit of bullshit around your lips.

Canuckistani · July 12, 2012

Nobody said that Nazism was communism. What was said, repeatedly and clearly, is that Nazism is a leftist ideology in the sense that leftism is essentially statism. These are are different strands of the same ideological family. All of these ideologies crush the individual in order to serve the interests of the collective as defined by the political class of elites. This is what unifies communism, socialism, Nazism, Islamism, fascism and other tyrannies under the umbrella of leftism/statism. That's it, that's all.

I guess we're all statists now. The definition is so broad there isn't a country around that doesn't qualify. Essentially satism = having an actual state, since that is exactly what a state is, serving the interests of the collective. Or the 1% of the collective, anyway.

kraychik · July 12, 2012

And once again you ignore the FACT that Nazi Germany did not have a centralized socialist government. Plus, brush over Volkische Bewegung like it didn't exist. But, your silly attempts at revisionism are amusing to me. I value entertainment @ my forums.

I've explained how there are various methods towards achieving centralisation in one form or another. Direct government ownership over industry is only one way, it can also be done through massive taxation, regulation, and boosting demand through borrowing and spending from the government. The bottom line is that the contemporary left has far more parallels with Nazism with respect to core ideological beliefs than today's right wing. They'd be far more likely to play the "follow the leader" game than conservatives. Essentially, the immunity that a society has to tyranny comes from conservatives. We are the white blood cells and antibodies of a society that protect us from the virus of oppression.

kraychik · July 12, 2012

Please wipe your mouth, there is still a tiny bit of bullshit around your lips.

Is this post a violation of the rules of conduct for this board?

kraychik · July 12, 2012

Let's say that was the case: so fucking what?

What about this post, is this breaking the rules of the forum?

DogOnPorch · July 12, 2012

I've explained how there are various methods towards achieving centralisation in one form or another. Direct government ownership over industry is only one way, it can also be done through massive taxation, regulation, and boosting demand through borrowing and spending from the government. The bottom line is that the contemporary left has far more parallels with Nazism with respect to core ideological beliefs than today's right wing. They'd be far more likely to play the "follow the leader" game than conservatives. Essentially, the immunity that a society has to tyranny comes from conservatives. We are the white blood cells and antibodies of a society that protect us from the virus of oppression.

And I've stated that you are a revisionist. So everything is as it should be. There's actual history...then there's your version of it.

Edited July 12, 2012 by DogOnPorch

Signals.Cpl · July 12, 2012

Is this post a violation of the rules of conduct for this board?

Which rule would that be? All I am saying is that you still have some bullshit around your mouth...after all you have been spewing nothing but bullshit since you came, you have blamed the left for everything that has gone wrong since the beginning of time and you seem allergic to providing evidence of any of your overzealous attacks on the left which by the way you failed to define.

Edited July 12, 2012 by Signals.Cpl

Black Dog · July 12, 2012

The bottom line is that the contemporary left has far more parallels with Nazism with respect to core ideological beliefs than today's right wing.

Again, let's say that was the case: so fucking what? What is the big point you're trying to make? Is there one?

They'd be far more likely to play the "follow the leader" game than conservatives.

That's a laugh. Everyone knows that conservatives love their daddy figures. Don't lie: you were among those pitching a tent when you saw George W swagger across the deck of that aircraft carrier in his codpiece. Sure you like freedom, but when the going gets tough and the brown people get uppity, there's nothing you like more than a big, strong man to gather you into his arms and keep you safe.

Edited July 12, 2012 by Black Dog

cybercoma · July 12, 2012

Nope, you're the one that's cherry picking. You continue to focus on how policies were implemented instead of the policies themselves. Which were almost all socialist.

Maybe you should stop focusing on what politicians say and start focusing on what they actually do.

cybercoma · July 12, 2012

I guess we're all statists now. The definition is so broad there isn't a country around that doesn't qualify. Essentially satism = having an actual state, since that is exactly what a state is, serving the interests of the collective. Or the 1% of the collective, anyway.

This is why I said that krazychick is an anarchist.

cybercoma · July 12, 2012

Which rule would that be? All I am saying is that you still have some bullshit around your mouth...after all you have been spewing nothing but bullshit since you came, you have blamed the left for everything that has gone wrong since the beginning of time and you seem allergic to providing evidence of any of your overzealous attacks on the left which by the way you failed to define.

I've butted heads with Signals enough time to know that he is indeed on the Right, perhaps even further Right than our government. It's pretty bad when even he's calling out krazychick on her foolishness.

bleeding heart · July 13, 2012

This is a perfect example of the left's intolerance of the truth. At the very least, I am providing a dissenting point of view from the dominant (and false) leftist narrative of Nazism being a "far-right" ideology.

No. You're a fringe fanatic shouting discredited nonsense.

bleeding heart · July 13, 2012

You're just revealing yourself to be incapable of addressing anything I've said. Your leftist mythologies are being broken by me everywhere I go on this board and it distresses you. It's fine, I'm used to having this effect on socialists and communists like yourself.

Oh, kraychik...seriously, you need to grow some awareness. We've all had this discussion before, more or less word-for-word, with other extremists. No one is distressed; it's just that everyone (with the possible exception of Shady) seems to disagree with you.