PIK Posted August 16, 2012 Report Posted August 16, 2012 What's wrong with Garneau? He did come out and say giving bailout money to europe is a bad idea, going against the thinking of the lib party. He is making his move and it is a smart one. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
punked Posted August 16, 2012 Report Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) What's wrong with Garneau? He is a bad politician for starters. The guy almost lost his seat to Joanne Corbeil. A sitting MP only won his seat by 900 votes to who? in a ridding that has never voted in anyone but a Liberal going back to 1940. He is like Ken Dryden a National Hero who is so bad at politics the best way to get him elected is on his name. There is nothing wrong with being a bad politician btw I am certainly one myself but to make someone like that the leader of the party. Well then you got problems. Edited August 16, 2012 by punked Quote
Newfoundlander Posted August 16, 2012 Report Posted August 16, 2012 He is a bad politician for starters. The guy almost lost his seat to Joanne Corbeil. A sitting MP only won his seat by 900 votes to who? in a ridding that has never voted in anyone but a Liberal going back to 1940. He is like Ken Dryden a National Hero who is so bad at politics the best way to get him elected is on his name. There is nothing wrong with being a bad politician btw I am certainly one myself but to make someone like that the leader of the party. Well then you got problems. Yes because Garneau is the only one to struggle with his seat. Quote
punked Posted August 16, 2012 Report Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) Yes because Garneau is the only one to struggle with his seat. Not really my point. My point is he isn't a good politician. It isn't something I made up, it is something I hear all the time. Not only that the boundaries of his ridding are set to change in 2015 if he couldn't hold this ridding which was made for Liberals it is going to be even harder when the new boundaries are set. Know what the new boundaries are? They split his ridding between a two ridings. He would have to run in one of them again either against the NDPer who beat Gill Duceppe or the NDP MP who killed another Liberal by 4000 votes. All the Liberals need for their party to die out is to have two leaders in a row lose their seats. You certainly don't need a leader who needs to spend all of his time in his ridding when the party needs rebuilding. This is just my observation but he would be a huge risk for the Liberals because his seat is about to get redistricted and he hasn't proved to be a great politician. Maybe the NDP dies off in Quebec and the Liberals make a big come back and everything is hunky dory. But it seems like a lot to ask of Liberals to put their parties future in the hands of a man who could end up killing his party through no fault of his own. It is a big wager. Edited August 16, 2012 by punked Quote
Tilter Posted August 16, 2012 Report Posted August 16, 2012 What's wrong with Garneau? He has a cold Quote
WWWTT Posted August 16, 2012 Report Posted August 16, 2012 You certainly don't need a leader who needs to spend all of his time in his ridding when the party needs rebuilding. This is false. C'mon Punked you know that this is false too. Because Ignatief did not spend enough time in his riding he lost. Elizabeth May and the greens are the best example of what happens when you do not give grass roots that much importance and spread your resources and time to thin! You are right about everything else in your comments about Garneau. Actually the whole entire liberal party has to rethink how they and everybody else looks and defines the liberals. Focus on grass roots and policy and stay away from big names.Big names = big risk = end of liberals! As far as I'm concerned they're doomed anyways because they all still think that somehow in the next election they will rebound. How long has it been now since the liberals seen a noticeable increase?Nineteen twenty years? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Newfoundlander Posted August 17, 2012 Report Posted August 17, 2012 As far as I'm concerned they're doomed anyways because they all still think that somehow in the next election they will rebound. WWWTT As in win? Quote
Newfoundlander Posted August 17, 2012 Report Posted August 17, 2012 A long but interesting article on Justin Trudeau. http://o.canada.com/2012/08/17/electrifying-and-elusive-justin-trudeau-quietly-mulls-his-political-destiny/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Quote
punked Posted August 17, 2012 Report Posted August 17, 2012 A long but interesting article on Justin Trudeau. http://o.canada.com/2012/08/17/electrifying-and-elusive-justin-trudeau-quietly-mulls-his-political-destiny/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter I just can't get into this leadership race. There seems to be one A list candidate Trudeau (I personally think him barely on the A list with out the name I would put him on the C list) and a bunch of unknown B and C listers. Maybe as they start laying out their plans it will get better. Quote
cybercoma Posted August 17, 2012 Report Posted August 17, 2012 I just can't get into this leadership race. There seems to be one A list candidate Trudeau (I personally think him barely on the A list with out the name I would put him on the C list) and a bunch of unknown B and C listers. Maybe as they start laying out their plans it will get better. Trudeau not a candidate. He hasn't declared yet and he may not. Quote
Smallc Posted August 17, 2012 Report Posted August 17, 2012 I just can't get into this leadership race. There seems to be one A list candidate Trudeau (I personally think him barely on the A list with out the name I would put him on the C list) and a bunch of unknown B and C listers. That's how the rest of us felt about the NDP race. Quote
TheNewTeddy Posted August 18, 2012 Report Posted August 18, 2012 The statement that Garneau is a bad politician like Dryden hits the nail on the head. Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me!
Newfoundlander Posted August 20, 2012 Report Posted August 20, 2012 The party plans on capping the amount of debt a candidate can build up during the leadership race. http://www.hilltimes.com/news/2012/08/17/liberals-to-cap-debt-limit-on-leadership-campaign-says-caucus-chair/31855 Quote
Tilter Posted August 22, 2012 Report Posted August 22, 2012 I just can't get into this leadership race. There seems to be one A list candidate Trudeau (I personally think him barely on the A list with out the name I would put him on the C list) and a bunch of unknown B and C listers. Maybe as they start laying out their plans it will get better. When you have no choice for leader you pick the least harmful. Maybe Alice Hilda-Schuler would be the best bet for the libs Quote
punked Posted August 22, 2012 Report Posted August 22, 2012 The party plans on capping the amount of debt a candidate can build up during the leadership race. http://www.hilltimes.com/news/2012/08/17/liberals-to-cap-debt-limit-on-leadership-campaign-says-caucus-chair/31855 They capped it last time as well. This is not news. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted August 22, 2012 Report Posted August 22, 2012 They capped it last time as well. This is not news. Are you sure? They're not talking about a spending limit in this article. Quote
punked Posted August 22, 2012 Report Posted August 22, 2012 Are you sure? They're not talking about a spending limit in this article. Positive all political parties cap their leadership spending. Now where they cap is a different story. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted August 22, 2012 Report Posted August 22, 2012 Positive all political parties cap their leadership spending. Now where they cap is a different story. Yes but what this is is a debt cap, from what I understand. So there'll be say a 1 million dollar spending limit but a candidate cannot spend over 100 thousand dollars til it's all fundraised. So you have to pay back a loan to the bank before you can get another loan. Quote
punked Posted August 22, 2012 Report Posted August 22, 2012 Yes but what this is is a debt cap, from what I understand. So there'll be say a 1 million dollar spending limit but a candidate cannot spend over 100 thousand dollars til it's all fundraised. So you have to pay back a loan to the bank before you can get another loan. Great doesn't address the Liberals problems for the last race though. Almost all the loans were made by the rich rich liberal candidates to themselves. Quote
TheNewTeddy Posted August 22, 2012 Report Posted August 22, 2012 Anyone who does not follow the rules of financing should be banned from political office. Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me!
punked Posted August 22, 2012 Report Posted August 22, 2012 Anyone who does not follow the rules of financing should be banned from political office. You can't do that half of the people who ran for the Liberal leadership ended up in violation of the election act. Mind you it was really through no fault of their own. It use to be to run for the Liberals you find someone (like say the Sobeys family) to back you and they bankrolled you right to the top. The cons passed a law making this impossible but the Liberals not rr Really sure how that would play out ran the same race they always have and you saw the results. Quote
TheNewTeddy Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 GOOD As a card-carrying Liberal I don't want to share my party with the corrupt. Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me!
Newfoundlander Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 You can't do that half of the people who ran for the Liberal leadership ended up in violation of the election act. Mind you it was really through no fault of their own. It use to be to run for the Liberals you find someone (like say the Sobeys family) to back you and they bankrolled you right to the top. The cons passed a law making this impossible but the Liberals not rr Really sure how that would play out ran the same race they always have and you saw the results. Corporations couldn't have funded a leadership campaign in 2006 even before Harper's Accountability Act was passed. Quote
punked Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 Corporations couldn't have funded a leadership campaign in 2006 even before Harper's Accountability Act was passed. I never said a Corporation. I said a corporate family. Quote
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