Ahmadinejad to quit politics

[GostHacked]

Enough of them do have bloodlust that it is noticable. If they weren't, we wouldn't have this wee problem in 2012.

Can we now say the War on Terror is a failure? As many expected it to be a failure? People take notice of a few Christians in Nigeria getting killed through the same methods we see in Iraq on a weekly basis and yet ignore the same weekly bombings in Iraq with high number of deaths. Thanks to Bush for 'Mission Accomplished'. Where would Iraq be today if the mission was not accomplished.

But, the fact remains that large crowds still gather to call for the destruction of Israel/America/The West all over the Middle East and Central Asia. Now, folks like yourself like to play this type of behaviour down or claim that WE do it too. I say you're merely an useful idiot to those who actually DO blow-up markets full of those innocent people you're so on about.

Well, at least he is useful. Some here are just idiots and not very useful at all.

[dre]

Enough of them do have bloodlust that it is noticable. If they weren't, we wouldn't have this wee problem in 2012. But, the fact remains that large crowds still gather to call for the destruction of Israel/America/The West all over the Middle East and Central Asia. Now, folks like yourself like to play this type of behaviour down or claim that WE do it too. I say you're merely an useful idiot to those who actually DO blow-up markets full of those innocent people you're so on about.

Hey I just point out that the conservative hardliners on their side are the exact same type of people as you and JBQ. You are all usefull idiots to each other. You guys support acts of violence against Muslims, and they support acts of violence against westerners. Then you point your fingers at each other and say "Look! Those are the bad guys! We are are innocent victims!". The conservation is identical on both sides of the pond, and the folks pining for war on both sides are the same kind of people using the same kind of reasoning.

[bud]

why do 'we' need to blow ourselves up when 'we' can just do the honourable thing and press buttons that shoot missiles from jets, tanks, helicopters and drones?

[DogOnPorch]

You guys support acts of violence against Muslims, and they support acts of violence against westerners.

No I do not you filthy liar.

[dre]

No I do not you filthy liar.

Of course you do! Poor little baby gonna have a temper tantrum now?

Edited June 18, 2012 by dre

[DogOnPorch]

Of course you do!

No I do not and I take offence that you repeated it for a second time.

[dre]

No I do not and I take offence that you repeated it for a second time.

I could care less if youre offended or not. Youre a consistant supporter of various attacks/invasions in the middle east, and youll be a supporter when it comes time to bomb Iran as well. And your counterparts in the islamic world will then use those events as justification for more violent acts just like you use all the retarded shit Islamic militants have done as justification for you hardline positions.

Rinse and repeat. You could even use the same arguments verbatum, and just swap out east with west, and the various acts of violence against each other by both sides. In fact thats exactly what you do!

This is how you folks act as enablers for each other. Same type of folks, different teams, and both equally dependant on each other.

[jbg]

Theyre really no different than folks like you spreading hate and pining for war.

The "all" that I was referring to was not all Iranians or all Muslims. But enough of them that there isn't a semblance of civil society or order. If a gasoline truck were blown up near a religious school in the West it would make the papers. When it happened in Iraq a few years ago, it made the back pages.

It is not my wish to condemn other cultures. I merely point out the truth; that sword and scimitar fighting has progressed (if progressed is the right word) to battling with explosives. Iran seeks to take the combat to the next level, nuclear.

Has the West over history been perfect? Of course not. But is the West now in a better place than much of Islam is now? No question about it.

[bud]

The "all" that I was referring to was not all Iranians or all Muslims. But enough of them that there isn't a semblance of civil society or order. If a gasoline truck were blown up near a religious school in the West it would make the papers. When it happened in Iraq a few years ago, it made the back pages.

i love how easily you bunch all iraqis, iranians and muslims into one group.

It is not my wish to condemn other cultures. I merely point out the truth; that sword and scimitar fighting has progressed (if progressed is the right word) to battling with explosives. Iran seeks to take the combat to the next level, nuclear.

do jets, tanks, helicopters and drones not fit into your equation in how people kill other people? if not, why?

Has the West over history been perfect? Of course not. But is the West now in a better place than much of Islam is now? No question about it.

there are muslims living all over the world. over 1 billion of them. they live in china, malaysia, indonesia, india, u.s., canada, u.k. and other countries. an overwhelming majority of them are not involved in suicide attacks.

you have a problem jbg and this problem is due to your need to propagate for your tribe. the propagation involves putting down another group of people by trying to create an unfavourable image of them. this results in the spread of extreme stereotyping, bigotry and misinformation.

Edited June 18, 2012 by bud

[dre]

The "all" that I was referring to was not all Iranians or all Muslims. But enough of them that there isn't a semblance of civil society or order. If a gasoline truck were blown up near a religious school in the West it would make the papers. When it happened in Iraq a few years ago, it made the back pages.

It is not my wish to condemn other cultures. I merely point out the truth; that sword and scimitar fighting has progressed (if progressed is the right word) to battling with explosives. Iran seeks to take the combat to the next level, nuclear.

Has the West over history been perfect? Of course not. But is the West now in a better place than much of Islam is now? No question about it.

No you meant exactly what you said, and its clear what you were refering to by the post you were responding to.

[jbg]

No you meant exactly what you said, and its clear what you were refering to by the post you were responding to.

The gist that I get from these nit-picky responses is that you and other posters don't give a flying ____ about protecting the West, only about being admired by those who are politically correct. We here split hairs while they hijack planes and fly them into buildings. Do they debate whether everyone in them dares to die?

At least Abraham, at Sodom and Gomorrah, debated G-d if the innocent deserved to die with the wicked. The story is probably a legend but the fact that it is there shows a consciousness about selectivity of punishment by death. Others don't make such distinctions.

[eyeball]

The gist that I get from these nit-picky responses is that you and other posters don't give a flying ____ about protecting the West

That's only because you refuse to get that some of us are just as interested in protecting the planet from the West.

Some actually think that's the more pressing task.

[bud]

The gist that I get from these nit-picky responses is that you and other posters don't give a flying ____ about protecting the West, only about being admired by those who are politically correct. We here split hairs while they hijack planes and fly them into buildings.

you make a great point jbg. it's not like this has only happened once and it involved only 9 people. we should be free to label all of them as crazy airplane hijackers who fly our planes into buildings.

At least Abraham, at Sodom and Gomorrah, debated G-d if the innocent deserved to die with the wicked. The story is probably a legend but the fact that it is there shows a consciousness about selectivity of punishment by death. Others don't make such distinctions.

do jets, tanks, helicopters and drones not fit into your equation in how people kill other people? if not, why?

do you care about the number of innocent civilians who have been killed by such means? why do these things not register in your thought process?

[Guest Manny]

do you care about the number of innocent civilians who have been killed by such means? why do these things not register in your thought process?

Because:

1) His government describes them with the neat and tidy term "co-lateral damage". IE, we killed thousands of you, but we really didn't mean it.

2) They're all brown skinned people anyway.

[Guest American Woman]

Because:

1) His government describes them with the neat and tidy term "co-lateral damage". IE, we killed thousands of you, but we really didn't mean it.

And your government doesn't?

2) They're all brown skinned people anyway.

This speaks of ignorance.

[jbg]

you make a great point jbg. it's not like this has only happened once and it involved only 9 people. we should be free to label all of them as crazy airplane hijackers who fly our planes into buildings.

First of all it was 19 people. And if you add the attacks on the Kenyan and Tanzanian embassies, the Khobar Towers, the U.S.S. Cole, WTC I, the attempted "landmarks plot" (the plot to blow up the U.N., the Queens Midtown Tunnel and other sites of mass assembly in New York City, fortunately disrupted), the London Subway attacks, the Madrid train attacks? Get the idea?

do jets, tanks, helicopters and drones not fit into your equation in how people kill other people? if not, why?

do you care about the number of innocent civilians who have been killed by such means? why do these things not register in your thought process?

Because:

1) His government describes them with the neat and tidy term "co-lateral damage". IE, we killed thousands of you, but we really didn't mean it.

Because the targets are military, not civilian. Makes a huge difference.

Because:

2) They're all brown skinned people anyway.

Please do not put words in my mouth. I would never say or mean that. Edited June 19, 2012 by jbg

[dre]

Because the targets are military, not civilian. Makes a huge difference.

Not if youre one of the civilians killed, or their surviving family members.

Now whos splitting hairs.

In any case you oughtta just be honest about who you are and what you are. You hate muslims... see them as this great and transcending enemy out to destroy the west, and you want us to kill lots of them.

[DogOnPorch]

I could care less if youre offended or not. Youre a consistant supporter of various attacks/invasions in the middle east, and youll be a supporter when it comes time to bomb Iran as well. And your counterparts in the islamic world will then use those events as justification for more violent acts just like you use all the retarded shit Islamic militants have done as justification for you hardline positions.

Rinse and repeat. You could even use the same arguments verbatum, and just swap out east with west, and the various acts of violence against each other by both sides. In fact thats exactly what you do!

This is how you folks act as enablers for each other. Same type of folks, different teams, and both equally dependant on each other.

You can't back any of that utter BS up. I've never called for the death of anyone or the invasion of anywhere or anything. My posting history is freely available in my profile for you to search.

[Guest Manny]

Please do not put words in my mouth. I would never say or mean that.

Please. I won't even bother going back through your long list of hundreds of posts, full of sarcasm and thinly veiled hate of muslims. Sorry but this attitude of yours is not at all amusing, jbg.

[Guest Manny]

And your government doesn't?

My government does what it's told to do. Which is not really "government" at all.

[bud]

First of all it was 19 people. And if you add the attacks on the Kenyan and Tanzanian embassies, the Khobar Towers, the U.S.S. Cole, WTC I, the attempted "landmarks plot, the London Subway attacks, the Madrid train attacks? Get the idea?

right. it was a typo, but it doesn't change the fact that it doesn't change the fact. they DO NOT represent an average muslim. if islam turned people into blood thirsty killing machines, then you'd probably be dead by now, because there are over 1 billion muslims scattered all over the world.

i'm just trying to point out how ridiculous of an argument it is to suggest that these people represent so many others.

Because the targets are military, not civilian. Makes a huge difference.

the targets are indiscriminate. otherwise, this wouldn't be happening:

The total number of civilians killed by US led forces alone was 9,270. 74% of these deaths (6,882) occurred in the invasion phase up to 1 May 2003.

link

right there, the u.s. was able to kill more iraqi civilians than u.s. civilians that al quaeda has been responsible for killing. that's just scratching the surface of the number of civilians killed by u.s.

you may have a warped and selective view of what is barbaric, but killing civilians with a suicide vest and killing civilians by pressing a button to drop a 1 ton bomb on an area where there are civilians pretty much results in the same thing; civilian casualties.

when a child grows up, with the knowledge that his father or mother or brother or sister or cousin or friend was killed by a bomb, then don't be surprised if he wants to kill those who perpetrated and condone the act.

Edited June 19, 2012 by bud

[jacee]

Yeah...they only hang the homosexuals rather than defiling the corpse.

It is possible to distinguish between the Iranian people and the regime that oppresses them.

Iran's resistance movement is very much alive

As of the night of February 13, (2011) protests were planned in at least 41 Iranian cities. People showed up across the country on February 14, though the regime was able to clamp down on news coverage and cut Internet and mobile phone service in selected areas. Even so, Iranians posted videos on YouTube and Facebook, and circulated them by email and phone. 

Al Jazeera reported many thousands of people in Tehran, calmly walking peacefully, with a massive presence of police, undercover police and Basij paramilitaries

I think we often/always err in confusing governments with people.

Governments are often vehicles for powerful interests that may have little in common with the interests of the people they 'rule'.

[jbg]

when a child grows up, with the knowledge that his father or mother or brother or sister or cousin or friend was killed by a bomb, then don't be surprised if he wants to kill those who perpetrated and condone the act.

Soyou're saying the West should give up and pay obeisance to a 9th Century ideology since their swords and scimitars are now far move advanced devices, and countering them might anger their children?

[jbg]

Not if youre one of the civilians killed, or their surviving family members.

I don't exacctly see German descendants of Dresden victims or Japanese descendants of victims at the Tokyo firebombings, Hiroshima or Nagasaki running around slaughtering civilians.

[Guest Manny]

I don't exacctly see German descendants of Dresden victims or Japanese descendants of victims at the Tokyo firebombings, Hiroshima or Nagasaki running around slaughtering civilians.