McGuinty threatens another election

[Anti-Am]

What would another election result in? I don't see the PCs getting elected as the government. Hudak is too concerned about kowtowing to the Catholic Churches every complaint. That will be his biggest hindrance. And is the NDP electable in Ontario now? I mean, they can't be any worse than the current Liberals eh?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/06/14/toronto-adjourns-legslature.html

Premier Dalton McGuinty is warning he may call another election after the Tories and NDP combined to force changes to the government's budget bill.

[capricorn]

Premier Dalton McGuinty is warning he may call another election after the Tories and NDP combined to force changes to the government's budget bill.

Premier Dalton McGuinty has something up his sleeve. Premier McGuinty senses he's overstayed his welcome in Ontario and my sense is he's looking for greener pastures. Hmm, the federal Liberal Party is in search of a permanent leader....

[Anti-Am]

Premier Dalton McGuinty has something up his sleeve. Premier McGuinty senses he's overstayed his welcome in Ontario and my sense is he's looking for greener pastures. Hmm, the federal Liberal Party is in search of a permanent leader....

Won't happen. McGuinty is damaged goods. His brother has more of a chance than he does.

[capricorn]

Won't happen. McGuinty is damaged goods. His brother has more of a chance than he does.

Do you have a couple of tweets you could share with me to back that up? You do follow twitter don't you?

[Anti-Am]

Do you have a couple of tweets you could share with me to back that up? You do follow twitter don't you?

Harper would murder Dalton with his attack ads. Would be worse than if Rae were to go up against Harper.

Dalton would be worse than Dion + Ignatief combined.

Edited June 15, 2012 by Anti-Am

[capricorn]

Harper would murder Dalton with his attack ads.

I didn't say he would win the party's leadership but I could see him going for it.

[Anti-Am]

I didn't say he would win the party's leadership but I could see him going for it.

He's not going to. If anything I think he wants a break from politics.

[capricorn]

If anything I think he wants a break from politics.

He's been a politician for 22 years. With some of them, it's hard to break the habit.

[g_bambino]

Harper would murder Dalton with his attack ads.

What does Harper have to do with a provincial election?

[g_bambino]

Premier Dalton McGuinty is warning he may call another election after the Tories and NDP combined to force changes to the government's budget bill.

And the Lieutenant Governor could turn to the opposition parties to see if they could find another person to put their confidence behind as premier.

[Boges]

I don't think anyone in Ontario likes McDalton right now.

He's pissed off the left, he's pissed off the right. He's being a hypocrite about the Catholic School system. He's being taken to court by the doctors. He's being taken to court by the people that he asked to make a Power plant in Mississauga only to cancel construction during the last election to win votes. The Toronto School Board just had to cute $100 million from its budget. ORNGE? E-Health? Is there anything this asshat does right?

Not sure if the NDP will have the guts to force his hand here though. It does appear that Dalton wants the election more than anyone else.

[Wild Bill]

Premier Dalton McGuinty has something up his sleeve. Premier McGuinty senses he's overstayed his welcome in Ontario and my sense is he's looking for greener pastures. Hmm, the federal Liberal Party is in search of a permanent leader....

Perhaps you are more right than you know, Cap!

I just spent over 6 weeks at a part-time job for a call centre, calling up businesses all over Ontario to try to get them to sponsor various charity events, like the Shriners' Circus and the like.

It was an education indeed. I am convinced that Ontario is already in a recession that is going to get very ugly very quickly!

Each week I talked to hundreds of companies, mostly smaller ones like auto garages, body shops, barbers and machine shops. Pickings were extremely poor! Virtually all these companies have pulled in their horns, with business so poor they are hanging on by their fingernails. Many were closing the doors or moving out of the province. A couple in Niagara were moving across the border into upper NY because they could not afford all the increases in the price of electricity since McGuinty came to power.

Sometimes the stories would tear your heart out, as a man who had ran a family business for maybe 30 years was being forced to close it, leaving no legacy for his family. Also, no equity to fund any retirement, since who would buy up a business that could no longer be profitable?

In the time I spent at the job I don't think I talked to ANY business in Ontario that was doing well! Anything to do with manufacturing, either directly or support, is particularly hard hit.

So I would not be surprised if Dalton and his party would like to get out while the gettin's good! They squeaked out their win last time and are well aware that hard times will become obvious in the media very soon. Better to go for an election now! Even if they don't win they will be in better shape for the next one. It will be Hudak who inherits all the pain and woe. Most people don't have the insight to understand that it will have taken some years of mistakes under Liberal rule to cause such a recession. They will simply note that the hardships occurred under Hudak's watch and blame HIM for all of it!

The Toronto Star and like-minded talking heads will all lead the charge, of course. After all, he IS a Tory!

I really think that Dalton doesn't want to face what's coming. The strategy will be to step out and let Tim take all the heat, then wage their next campaign blaming the Tories for the recession.

The sad thing is, it very well might work!

[Michael Hardner]

Hmm, the federal Liberal Party is in search of a permanent leader....

God, no.

edited to add: I realize that my response above doesn't add to the discussion enough. I was just shocked at the realization that this position is open, and that Dalton may believe himself to be the person for the job.

I have no problem with the right-left axis on which Dalton stands, but I think that he has even less vision than the Chretien government did (if that's possible) and governs pretty much exclusively by polls.

To most people in Canada, government is the services that are provided period. He's not a manager of anything but spin. I would love to have a Liberal leader who can balance the challenges that we're facing today, and to make choices that help people who need help, that allow the Canadian business environment to remain competitive, and to help the middle class by providing great services at a reasonable tax rate.

He's good at nothing but politics, in my opinion, so I'd rather see him go back to lawyering.

[Fletch 27]

Really? Looks like the Libs would go from Leader to 3rd place!

"(1) A week ago yesterday the estimable Graham Murray’s Inside Queen’s Park newsletter announced that it had “ obtained the results of a poll conducted for the Canadian Union of Public Employees – Ontario Division – by Angus Reid Public Opinion.” The poll was “in the field April 2 & 3” and “surveyed 1,500 adults.”

In terms of province-wide popular vote the poll “showed 34 per cent intended to vote PC, 31 per cent NDP and 29 per cent Liberal.” A seat projection based on these numbers indicated that: “The Liberals’ 53-seat minority government would be replaced by a PC one led by Tim Hudak, with the identical number of seats — one seat short of a majority. The NDP would become the Official Opposition with 28 seats, with the Liberals slipping into third place with 26.”

I sure hope there is an election. Newstalk 1010 today had a survey out that 67 percent of Ontariansactually WANT and election! I found that astounding and a strong indication of the dislike for Dalton after the recent Lies and Flip-Flops. The name "Leberal" has been decimated accross Canada andnow Ontario.

What would another election result in? I don't see the PCs getting elected as the government. Hudak is too concerned about kowtowing to the Catholic Churches every complaint. That will be his biggest hindrance. And is the NDP electable in Ontario now? I mean, they can't be any worse than the current Liberals eh?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/06/14/toronto-adjourns-legslature.html

Premier Dalton McGuinty is warning he may call another election after the Tories and NDP combined to force changes to the government's budget bill.

[Anti-Am]

PC aka the Catholic church first party will not win.

It'll be a minority liberal or ndp government

[Boges]

That 1010 poll wasn't scientific. Do you really think people listening to Jerry Agar support McDalton?

Regardless it'll all come down to the campaigning. With the forced $100 million cut in the Toronto School Board budget how would Dalton do in Toronto compared to the NDP? The doctors and OPSEU have turned their backs on him.

On the other end of the spectrum his name is mud in Rural Ontario because of the Slots at the Racetrack problem. Say what you will about how gaming should support horse racing, it employs a lot of people.

Fort Erie will be decimated once the racetrack there closes. The tracks in Sarnia, Windsor and Kawartha are set to close. And that's just the start. Lots of people work there and they won't be voting Liberal.

[Anti-Am]

Mcguinty should run on the platform that he will close all catholic schools.

only then will I vote liberal

Edited June 15, 2012 by Anti-Am

[Anti-Am]

Doesn't McGuinty have to be an MP for the federal liberals to be qualified to run for federal Liberal leadership?

[Boges]

Doesn't McGuinty have to be an MP for the federal liberals to be qualified to run for federal Liberal leadership?

Jack Layton wasn't a sitting MP when he was named leader of the NDP, if I remember correctly. I don't know if the Liberals have a specific law for that.

McGuinty has made so many enemies in the West he's pretty unelectable federally.

[Anti-Am]

Jack Layton wasn't a sitting MP when he was named leader of the NDP, if I remember correctly. I don't know if the Liberals have a specific law for that.

McGuinty has made so many enemies in the West he's pretty unelectable federally.

Ah, I looked it up and you are right, he wasn't a sitting MP.

Yes, McGuinty is so damaged that he wouldn't even be elected as mayor of Dog River Sask, let alone a big city. That is why I find it laughable that posters are thinking he will try for a federal liberal leadership bid

the first day that he'd announce his intention and by the end of the day he'd get such a backlash that he'd withdraw

Edited June 15, 2012 by Anti-Am

[MiddleClassCentrist]

Mcguinty should run on the platform that he will close all catholic schools.

only then will I vote liberal

I don't know who I'd vote for but the issue you mentioned is a sticking point. It makes sense to absorb the segregated school system into the public system. Huge efficiencies would be gained. We could set up Tech schools again. Right now it's hard to have specialization when there are two boards splitting the kids. Increased costs of transportation, consultants, non classroom specialists and beaurocrats. (The stuff least associated with successful school programs)

I'm sure there are a few people who do like McGuinty. That number is low. Ontario wants a better option, someone just has to provide it.

I think we are more likely to end up with a PC government if an election occurs IF Hudak markets himself properly. "A Different type of conservative, a PROGRESSIVE conservative." instead of "One of the good ole' boys, Harper, Ford and Hudak BFF Forever"

Edited June 15, 2012 by MiddleClassCentrist

[Newfoundlander]

McGuinty is an impressive politician. He's never been well liked, he was very unpopular going into the 2011 election, the PCs had a double digit lead weeks before the election with the NDP surging in support, and yet McGuinty won the election. He's able to win elections for whatever reason and at the moment his party is the most prepared to fight an election.

[capricorn]

He's able to win elections for whatever reason and at the moment his party is the most prepared to fight an election.

True. He also has access to his brother's impressive Liberal machine.

[Topaz]

IF McGuinty called an election guess who going to run for MPP....Doug Ford for the PC and probably he'll want Hudak job down the road. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/doug-ford-says-bring-eyes-queens-park-200041910.html

[capricorn]

I just spent over 6 weeks at a part-time job for a call centre, calling up businesses all over Ontario to try to get them to sponsor various charity events, like the Shriners' Circus and the like.

It was an education indeed. I am convinced that Ontario is already in a recession that is going to get very ugly very quickly!

The story on the ground says it all doesn't it WB.

I really think that Dalton doesn't want to face what's coming. The strategy will be to step out and let Tim take all the heat, then wage their next campaign blaming the Tories for the recession.

The sad thing is, it very well might work!

My thoughts exactly.