How fair is the student protest?

[Argus]

I dont know if branding political hacks and culture warriors as what they - by definition - actually ARE... is elitist.

And would you feel more inclined to judge it so if I judged you to be one of those political hacks/culture warrior?

[Argus]

I'm old and I know bullying when I see it.

That's an interesting observation coming from someone who confessed to the selfsame behavior as Wild Bill was talking about. Or had you already forgotten your expressed delight in taunting right wingers and making them angry?

[Boges]

Union Groups in Ontario want to have similar riots ERRR protests wanting free tuition in Ontario too. Good Times.

[bud]

They are anarchists and terrorists

haha.

[Signals.Cpl]

Union Groups in Ontario want to have similar riots ERRR protests wanting free tuition in Ontario too. Good Times.

I wonder how they intent to pay for that? They can protest all they want but unless they come up with a way to cut the deficit, find more sources of income and then fight it out with the programs that could use the extra income, they cannot force through any change.

[Boges]

I wonder how they intent to pay for that? They can protest all they want but unless they come up with a way to cut the deficit, find more sources of income and then fight it out with the programs that could use the extra income, they cannot force through any change.

They'll spout talking points about corporate tax cuts and bank bailouts as obstacles.

Oh yeah and we need tax the rich!!!

Edited May 22, 2012 by Boges

[Signals.Cpl]

They'll spout talking points about corporate tax cuts and bank bailouts as obstacles.

Oh yeah and we need tax the rich!!!

Yeah but no one comes up with the hard figures. Tax the reach, tax corporations and all that is great but what happens if its not enough? Or if its just right but do we pay down the provincial debt or do we invest in other social programs with more immediate need? Its easy to protest and make broad points.

[Boges]

Yeah but no one comes up with the hard figures. Tax the reach, tax corporations and all that is great but what happens if its not enough? Or if its just right but do we pay down the provincial debt or do we invest in other social programs with more immediate need? Its easy to protest and make broad points.

Or they'll say that a post secondary education is an investment on a student's future and they'll be able to pay it back with their higher earning potential.

I'd have no problem with free education of someone wants to go into an industry that has a high demand and a high chance of gainful employment once completed.

But there are Liberal Arts degrees that make people only slightly more employable than out of high school, those shouldn't be free at all. In fact, I think, the current subsidies should be scraped on those "hobby" degrees.

[Argus]

Union Groups in Ontario want to have similar riots ERRR protests wanting free tuition in Ontario too. Good Times.

While I think it unlikely such a thing would catch on in Ontario due to its somewhat less entitled population, the way things like this continue, grow and spread is when you have a weak-kneed government. This would have ended after a few days if Charest hadn't shown himself to be as spineless and indecisive as he was. And in Ontario we have perhaps the only weaker premier in the country, McGuinty, a man whose knees shake at the mere thought of trying to make a decision. The reason Caledonia went on as long as it did was because of McGuinty's cowardice too. So if such a thing did happen in Ontario I have little confidence McGuinty would have a clue what to do about it other than run and hide and hope it goes away.

[dre]

While I think it unlikely such a thing would catch on in Ontario due to its somewhat less entitled population, the way things like this continue, grow and spread is when you have a weak-kneed government. This would have ended after a few days if Charest hadn't shown himself to be as spineless and indecisive as he was. And in Ontario we have perhaps the only weaker premier in the country, McGuinty, a man whose knees shake at the mere thought of trying to make a decision. The reason Caledonia went on as long as it did was because of McGuinty's cowardice too. So if such a thing did happen in Ontario I have little confidence McGuinty would have a clue what to do about it other than run and hide and hope it goes away.

While I think it unlikely such a thing would catch on in Ontario due to its somewhat less entitled population, the way things like this continue, grow and spread is when you have a weak-kneed government. This would have ended after a few days if Charest hadn't shown himself to be as spineless and indecisive as he was

This kind of thing can catch on ANYWHERE and it has nothing to do with people feeling entitled.

Inflation has been causing civil unrest for thousands of years.

[Argus]

This kind of thing can catch on ANYWHERE and it has nothing to do with people feeling entitled.

Inflation has been causing civil unrest for thousands of years.

Protests can catch on. Violent protests where the protesters are free to intimidate others can only happen in an environment of disorder where the authorities are too cowardly to confront those breaking the law.

[Signals.Cpl]

While I think it unlikely such a thing would catch on in Ontario due to its somewhat less entitled population, the way things like this continue, grow and spread is when you have a weak-kneed government. This would have ended after a few days if Charest hadn't shown himself to be as spineless and indecisive as he was. And in Ontario we have perhaps the only weaker premier in the country, McGuinty, a man whose knees shake at the mere thought of trying to make a decision. The reason Caledonia went on as long as it did was because of McGuinty's cowardice too. So if such a thing did happen in Ontario I have little confidence McGuinty would have a clue what to do about it other than run and hide and hope it goes away.

If he wants to continue being premier he would act.

[Wilber]

I'd have no problem with free education of someone wants to go into an industry that has a high demand and a high chance of gainful employment once completed.

I do. Someone gets a set of expensive keys to an affluent lifestyle without having to make any contribution toward it themselves? Screw em.

[jacee]

This kind of thing can catch on ANYWHERE and it has nothing to do with people feeling entitled.

Inflation has been causing civil unrest for thousands of years.

The G20 austerity-for-all-but-the-richest agenda is playing out all around the world, and meeting resistance.

Police are learning the difference (Chicago) between civil disobedience - being on public property - and illegal acts.

Trying to violently crush largely peaceful resistance - walking in public streets, sleeping in public parks - increases numbers and people's determination.

Using violent "dispersal" on peaceful taxpayers is a waste of OUR money.

So the police can just take a chill pill on that.

I PAID FOR MY OWN TEARGAS AND THE STATE THAT LAUNCHED IT AT ME AND THE DAMAGES?

I don't think so ... going forward in positivity that is.

I stand and walk and sleep on my 1/34m share of Canada.

My share of this land is wherever I am.

Edited May 23, 2012 by jacee

[Signals.Cpl]

The G20 austerity-for-all-but-the-richest agenda is playing out all around the world, and meeting resistance.

Police are learning the difference (Chicago) between civil disobedience - being on public property - and illegal acts.

Trying to violently crush largely peaceful resistance - walking in public streets, sleeping in public parks - increases numbers and people's determination.

Using violent "dispersal" on peaceful taxpayers is a waste of OUR money.

So the police can just take a chill pill on that.

I PAID FOR MY OWN TEARGAS AND STATE THAT LAUNCHED IT AT ME AND THE DAMAGES?

I don't think so ... going forward in positivity that is.

I stand and walk and sleep on my 1/34m share of Canada.

My share of this land is wherever I am.

you said about what, 50 words and did not add a single thing to the argument.

[Boges]

I do. Someone gets a set of expensive keys to an affluent lifestyle without having to make any contribution toward it themselves? Screw em.

But in that instance it is an investment in the future tax payments from a person.

In Ontario, if you can prove that you lost your job from a dying industry and propose to go into an industry that has a good outlook you stand a good chance of not only getting the government to pay your tuition but you can get help with your month-to-month bills.

For mature students the tuition isn't the problem, It's like a car loan. It's the fact that you have commitments like mortgages and children to worry about. That's the obstacle from going to school again.

Edited May 23, 2012 by Boges

[Topaz]

The protest in Quebec could lead problems for both, the premier of Quebec but the PM Harper as well. If more Quebec starts looking at the PQ for the next government in Quebec, Canada could be back with Quebec separation situation. There also new rules under the Justice Bill, which can cause people showing thier support only, eneding up with a heavy fines http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Tandt+Fallout+from+Quebec+student+protests+could+mean+trouble+Harper/6660792/story.html .

[Boges]

The protest in Quebec could lead problems for both, the premier of Quebec but the PM Harper as well. If more Quebec starts looking at the PQ for the next government in Quebec, Canada could be back with Quebec separation situation. There also new rules under the Justice Bill, which can cause people showing thier support only, eneding up with a heavy fines http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Tandt+Fallout+from+Quebec+student+protests+could+mean+trouble+Harper/6660792/story.html .

Yeah because they'll most certainly be able to pay for those low tuition rates once they've separated.

[Signals.Cpl]

Yeah because they'll most certainly be able to pay for those low tuition rates once they've separated.

I think many in Quebec like using separation as a threat, they know that Quebec will drop quite a bit from their current standard of living but they also know that as long as the threat is there the federal government will give in to whatever they want. If the Rest of Canada ere to take that ability from them through their own referendum I highly doubt Quebec will want to separate. If the ROC vote to remove Quebec from the Country and all those little and not so little benefits they have been receiving and are receiving will most likely stop. Oh so you don't want to be in Canada? Well equalization payments stop coming, there goes 11% of your budget, all those other benefits they receive as a province go next and this is before Quebec takes over the duties as a national government rather then a province. Then add the fact that tens of thousands of Quebec nationals will be let go from the federal government and they will find themselves with a nice chunk of the dept, citizenship that means nothing, a diminished income and lot of unemployed people and Quebec will have the highest tuition in North America really fast.

[Wilber]

But in that instance it is an investment in the future tax payments from a person.

In Ontario, if you can prove that you lost your job from a dying industry and propose to go into an industry that has a good outlook you stand a good chance of not only getting the government to pay your tuition but you can get help with your month-to-month bills.

For mature students the tuition isn't the problem, It's like a car loan. It's the fact that you have commitments like mortgages and children to worry about. That's the obstacle from going to school again.

Only if that person remains resident in this country. If it is worth some investment from government it should also be worth something to the person receiving it. I don't have a problem with assisting people who are disadvantaged but free secondary education for all. No way.

Edited May 23, 2012 by Wilber

[Wilber]

Double Post

Edited May 23, 2012 by Wilber

[Boges]

Only if that person remains resident in this country. If it is worth some investment from government it should also be worth something to the person receiving it. I don't have a problem with assisting people who are dissadvantaged but free secondary education for all. No way.

As I said, helping someone out with day-to-day bills, while at school, is far more important to a "real" adult than tuition to pay for a useless degree.

You could take out a loan for tuition. Or put it on a Line of Credit.

Edited May 23, 2012 by Boges

[Wilber]

As I said, helping someone out with day-to-day bills, while at school, is far more important to a "real" adult than tuition to pay for a useless degree.

You could take out a loan for tuition. Or put it on a Line of Credit.

As I said, I don't have a problem with assisting people who can demonstrate they are disadvantaged but that is not what these protests are about.

Edited May 23, 2012 by Wilber

[Boges]

As I said, I don't have a problem with assisting people who can demonstrate they are disadvantaged but that is not what these protests are about.

No I understand. These protests are full of spoiled brats that don't want to take any responsibility for their lives.

I'm just saying that the idea of providing someone with an education free-of-charge isn't always a bad idea.

[Wilber]

I'm just saying that the idea of providing someone with an education free-of-charge isn't always a bad idea.

I don't disagree but society's ability to pay is limited and should be reserved for those who need it most.