Protests, police provocateurs, masks, etc

Rick · May 15, 2012

You do realize police in Ontario are policed by a Civilian agency?

You do realize that they rarely get punished right?

http://www.copblock.org/15296/

Signals.Cpl · May 15, 2012

You do realize that they rarely get punished right?

http://www.copblock.org/15296/

Because they don't do much wrong? Or do you have another theory pumpkin? <_<

Edited May 15, 2012 by Signals.Cpl

Rick · May 15, 2012

Because they don't do much wrong? Or do you have another theory pumpkin?

If you think that, you've either taken too many hits to the head or too many hits off the bong..

Try reading the article. You might actually learn something about the real world.

Signals.Cpl · May 15, 2012

If you think that, you've either taken too many hits to the head or too many hits off the bong..

Try reading the article. You might actually learn something about the real world.

Take your tinfoil hat off for a second and think a bit... Where is the "author" getting the "evidence"?

madmax · May 15, 2012

I think the objection some have is to "kettling," which involves the rounding up of even peaceful protesters, and holding them en masse for long periods of time. The RCMP themselves say they were uncomfortable about it but acting on the direction of local police, but I haven't seen that confirmed. At any rate, I'm against this type of police action; peaceful protesters, who are doing nothing wrong, should be left alone. Not sure what Harper has to do with it, though.

I am just learning about this type of police action.

It has nothing to do with Harper.. his interest is protestors not police tactics against protestors..

Rick · May 15, 2012

Take your tinfoil hat off for a second and think a bit... Where is the "author" getting the "evidence"?

Perhaps if you'd back away from the video games and entered reality...you'd know that it came from...

*Gasp*

Actual court cases...documented court cases.

Signals.Cpl · May 15, 2012

Perhaps if you'd back away from the video games and entered reality...you'd know that it came from...

*Gasp*

Actual court cases...documented court cases.

Ill give you a minute to catch your breath.

Now where do I see the cases?

jacee · May 15, 2012

Undercover is not the issue. The tactics used while undercover to incite others into violence. THAT is what I have a problem with.

Yup. Me too.

I think it's over the line of entrapment myself.

I also think the police are profiling people based on what they're wearing/the 'appearance' of being an 'anarchist'.

And I don't think it's just 'anarchists' who are the target of police. I think they are increasingly trying to criminalize all peaceful protesters by declaring "unlawful assembly" as soon as possible - ie, once they've incited violence.

The mask law with it's incredibly harsh punishment is another way of criminalizing dissent, harassing and intimidating people to discourage all protests.

At the G20 police report being ordered to arrest people wearing bandanas and backpacks, an illegal order that cops followed anyway, arresting a man whose bandana was around his neck.

Fer cripes sakes ... this is ridiculous . And when they do have a law against masks, then they'll be arresting people because 'she looked like she might be about to think about reaching for a mask'.

And it's true a lot of such cases will be thrown out of court, but meanwhile ... you are in jail until you make bail and if you can't make bail, probably for a few months until trial.

That is how dissent is crushed ... in what used to be a free country.

GostHacked · May 15, 2012

Haven't you just admitted there that the group the cops were in amongst were typical rioters?

No I have not. There are rioters, and there are protesters. We need to make the distinction here. Not all who protest want riots. It seems to be a minority that want to riot for the sake of rioting. The rest riot after because monkey see monkey do.

The police are dressed exactly like the group around them; they outfitted themselves that way to fit in with the anarchists, not the other way around.

You don't say!

The only thing you mention that isn't common amongst everyone in that bunch is the rock; it can't be discerned from the video clip whether or not any of the protesters had a projectile or other implement for vandalism on them or not.

Sure if these were real anarchists, then one rock would be enough to start busting heads. But since these are cops you want more evidence of them carrying things?

The union leader was right to call them out.

g_bambino · May 15, 2012

No I have not.

To the contrary, I think you have. You sarcastically quip that the undercover officers are wearing gloves and masks (and I think to that we can add the all-black clothes and heavy boots) just "to be fashionable", from which one can conclude you realise they're just trying to fit in. But, when it comes to the violence and the riots that break out whenever there's a major political meeting, how is it that those who cause such havoc are almost always dressed? Is it polo shirts and chinos? I don't think so.

[ed.: sp]

Edited May 15, 2012 by g_bambino

g_bambino · May 15, 2012

I think it's over the line of entrapment myself.

An opinion which, of course, has no basis.

GostHacked · May 15, 2012

To the contrary, I think you have. You sarcastically quip that the undercover officers are wearing gloves and masks (and I think to that we can add the all-black clothes and heavy boots) just "to be fashionable"

Seems like others cannot see sarcasm when they read it. If I did not know better, I would say they were there to cause trouble, because police don't do that.. do they??

from which one can conclude you realise they're just trying to fit in. But, when it comes to the violence and the riots that break out whenever there's a major political meeting, how is it that those who cause such havoc are almost always dressed? Is it polo shirts and chinos? I don't think so.
[ed.: sp]

I have no problem with busting people when they riot. It was quite obvious that that did not happen in the G-20 in Toronto. The cops were in full view of the rioters trashing shops and the cop cars. WHY WAS NOTHING DONE? And then the over the top response the next day.

So. let's go back to Montebello.

If these guys showed up, wearing the bandanas, carrying rocks in gloved hands. and no one knew they were cops. What would be the first thing to go through your mind? Think about it for a moment.

Edited May 15, 2012 by GostHacked

g_bambino · May 15, 2012

If these guys showed up, wearing the bandanas, carrying rocks in gloved hands. and no one knew they were cops. What would be the first thing to go through your mind?

They fit right in.

jacee · May 15, 2012

To the contrary, I think you have. You sarcastically quip that the undercover officers are wearing gloves and masks (and I think to that we can add the all-black clothes and heavy boots) just "to be fashionable", from which one can conclude you realise they're just trying to fit in. But, when it comes to the violence and the riots that break out whenever there's a major political meeting, how is it that those who cause such havoc are almost always dressed? Is it polo shirts and chinos? I don't think so.

[ed.: sp]

So people are now targeted as criminals because of how they dress?

Disgusting. :angry:

When this blows up in the streets, we'll all be wearing black and masks.

It's not about the cops.

It's about the democracy, the 'free country'.

Cops should just stand down unless there's a crime.

We are not criminals and we will wear whatever we want.

g_bambino · May 15, 2012

So people are now targeted as criminals because of how they dress?

Not solely, jacee.

It's about the democracy...

Gangs of masked thugs do not equal democracy. Nice red herring, though.

[ed.: +]

Edited May 15, 2012 by g_bambino

Michael Hardner · May 15, 2012

If you think that, you've either taken too many hits to the head or too many hits off the bong..

Too many insults - 'pumpkin' 'hits off the bong'...

This is an interesting discussion if the insults are kept out of it.

Charles Anthony · May 15, 2012

Everybody,

Stop the personal attacks.

This is a global warning. Anybody who posts a personal attack risks being temporarily suspended from the forum.

Ch. A.

jacee · May 15, 2012

Dp

Edited May 15, 2012 by jacee

jacee · May 15, 2012

Not solely, jacee.

Gangs of masked thugs do not equal democracy. Nice red herring, though.

[ed.: +]

"Thugs" commit violence against people (not just property).

The only "thugs" at recent protests have been the police.

I am not a thug.

I will wear what I wish.

Arrest me at your own (legal) risk.

Edited May 15, 2012 by jacee

Michael Hardner · May 15, 2012

Everybody,

Stop the personal attacks.

This is a global warning. Anybody who posts a personal attack risks being temporarily suspended from the forum.

Ch. A.

Thanks, Charles.

fellowtraveller · May 15, 2012

I am taking the OP warning on freedom of assembly to heart. I was going to meet a friend for lunch at Timmys but I'm afraid I'll be shot on sight. WE won't be able to get the piles of corpses off the streets until after dark, I hope Harpers brownshirts allow us to break curfew long enough to bring in the dead.

g_bambino · May 15, 2012

"Thugs" commit violence against people (not just property).

Not true.

The only "thugs" at recent protests have been the police.

Not true.

You're evading the point.

jacee · May 15, 2012

jacee, on 15 May 2012 - 01:38 AM, said: I think it's over the line of entrapment myself.

An opinion which, of course, has no basis.

Perhaps you are right ... but only because the cops have never managed to 'entrap' anybody. :lol:

May 15, 2012

I am just learning about this type of police action. It has nothing to do with Harper.. his interest is protestors not police tactics against protestors..

What exactly is his interest regarding protesters - has he initiated any policies regarding/affecting them?

Keepitsimple · May 15, 2012

Whatever the Toronto police provocateurs were doing, it got them arrested by the RCMP.

Until proven that they were falsely arrested, seems to me the Toronto police provocateurs must have been doing something illegal.

I think Harper is an extreme narcicisst like Ghaddafi: He may have a conscience, but he just thinks he knows what's 'right' for everyone and those who disagree are wrong and deserving of punishment/'justice'.

Your hatred for Harper seems to know no bounds. The "police" as you say are under the direction of Toronto and to some degree, McGuinty. If Harper has ANY control, it's over the RCMP (and he doesn't, really). So what you're saying is that Harper's RCMP arrested some Toronto policemen for illegal acts. And you have a problem with that?