Bullets storage rule, shot down

[Topaz]

Well, its seems the lobbyist for the gun owners in Canada got to Vic again. Apparently, a rules for storing ammo isn't going to happen but I don't understand the problem on this, if they still have to have the guns under lock and key, then can't the ammo be stored their too? http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Proposed+ammo+storage+rules+will+proceed+Toews+says/6418140/story.html

[Guest Manny]

Makes no sense to me. We heard about people putting bullets on train tracks, when we were kids. Bullets should be hard to get.

[Guest Peeves]

Bullets should be in my gun near where I lie down or sit, or in my gun in my car when I travel, or in my gun in my pocket when I'm in a restaurant. The same with any other peaceful, non criminal type.

Why should only cops and criminals be armed? Cops can't protect, they only inspect or react or detect when they can get there. After the crime.

Criminals could give a shit about bullets and gun laws nor your safe storage. They might think twice if they knew we too were packing.

Edited April 8, 2012 by Peeves

[Argus]

Bullets should be in my gun near where I lay or sit, or in my gun in my car when I travel, or in my gun in my pocket when I'm in a restaurant. The same with any other peaceful, non criminal type.

Why should only cops and criminals be armed? Cops can't protect, they only inspect or react or detect when they can get there. After the crime.

Criminals could give a shit about bullets and gun laws nor your safe storage. They might think twice if they knew we too were packing.

Nobody should be armed except the police. Nobody. Anyone else caught with a gun in an urban setting ought to be sent to prison for a very long time. Hunters can pick up their guns on their way out of town.

I'm okay with rural folk having guns because a gun can be a necessary tool in a rural area. That is not the case in an urban area.

[cybercoma]

Nobody should be armed except the police. Nobody. Anyone else caught with a gun in an urban setting ought to be sent to prison for a very long time. Hunters can pick up their guns on their way out of town.

I'm okay with rural folk having guns because a gun can be a necessary tool in a rural area. That is not the case in an urban area.

Argus, you're an odd duck. The stuff I agree with you about, I really agree with you. The stuff I disagree with you about, I really disagree with you. Although we don't see eye-to-eye on everything, I like that you're principled.

[punked]

Nobody should be armed except the police. Nobody. Anyone else caught with a gun in an urban setting ought to be sent to prison for a very long time. Hunters can pick up their guns on their way out of town.

I'm okay with rural folk having guns because a gun can be a necessary tool in a rural area. That is not the case in an urban area.

No one is taking my gun away form me. I keep it safe, I treat it right, and I will never use it for violence.

Although if the people of Canada took this view point I would station my run at where ever we would the local gun depot I guess. Seems like an easy target though.

Edited April 8, 2012 by punked

[bleeding heart]

Argus, you're an odd duck. The stuff I agree with you about, I really agree with you. The stuff I disagree with you about, I really disagree with you. Although we don't see eye-to-eye on everything, I like that you're principled.

Principled?

I'm inclined to agree.

[Argus]

No one is taking my gun away form me. I keep it safe, I treat it right, and I will never use it for violence.

Sorry, is that your gun or your girlfriend you're talking about?

You might well be right, but the problem is when ten million people have them then you just know some are going to get drunk, some are going to get nuts, some are going to get robbed, etc. etc. So you don't make laws based on the good people but on the mass of people.

Although if the people of Canada took this view point I would station my run at where ever we would the local gun depot I guess. Seems like an easy target though.

Security would be fairly easily managed, and the cost vs having all those guns on the streets, well worth it. Besides, it is the strict laws which would help police things. If you get a year in jail for robbing a corner store but twenty years for robbing it with a gun, you'd probably decide not to use a gun.

Edited April 8, 2012 by Argus

[punked]

Sorry, is that your gun or your girlfriend you're talking about?

You might well be right, but the problem is when ten million people have them then you just know some are going to get drunk, some are going to get nuts, some are going to get robbed, etc. etc. So you don't make laws based on the good people but on the mass of people.

Security would be fairly easily managed, and the cost vs having all those guns on the streets, well worth it. Besides, it is the strict laws which would help police things. If you get a year in jail for robbing a corner store but twenty years for robbing it with a gun, you'd probably decide not to use a gun.

I could live with this.

[Shakeyhands]

Big deal, as a responsible gun owner with kids in the house I not only lock my guns and rifles so that they are not accessible, I also keep all shells and cartridges locked in a tool box. In fact even if I didn't have children in the house I would lock it all up.

The only people that would have a problem with this, law or not, are those with a sick fantasy that they'll shoot someone. These people should have their weapons confiscated for the simple reason that they are clearly stupid.

[stopstaaron]

Anybody whos gun or ammunition is stolen from their house should be barred from ever owning anymore firearms

[cybercoma]

Anybody whos gun or ammunition is stolen from their house should be barred from ever owning anymore firearms

Depending on the circumstances (ie, it's proven they were negligent) they are.

[Jack Weber]

Nobody should be armed except the police. Nobody. Anyone else caught with a gun in an urban setting ought to be sent to prison for a very long time. Hunters can pick up their guns on their way out of town.

I'm okay with rural folk having guns because a gun can be a necessary tool in a rural area. That is not the case in an urban area.

How can you be so completely lacking in lucidity on some subjects and be so crystal clear on others by tearing the cover off the ball...Like this one????

Is it all part of the wonderfulness of Argus?

Ya' nailed this one...

[Vendetta]

Nobody should be armed except the police. Nobody. Anyone else caught with a gun in an urban setting ought to be sent to prison for a very long time. Hunters can pick up their guns on their way out of town.

I'm okay with rural folk having guns because a gun can be a necessary tool in a rural area. That is not the case in an urban area.

I agree mostly with this except that I think everybody should be able to have a gun IN THEIR HOME.(unless they have a history of violence or mental instability) Nobody should be allowed to walk around carrying one in a city except cops. Where you store the gun and bullets in your own home is no business of the state. It kind of defeats the purpose of having a gun in your home for protection if you have to have it locked up and the bullets stored seperately. It would take cops half an hour to drive to my house if I had to call them. By that time some psycho could have killed my whole family. why shouldn't I be able to keep my gun in my headboard of my bed, with a full clip, where it will actually do some good? I don't like violations of civil liberties from either side of the political spectrum.

[Argus]

I agree mostly with this except that I think everybody should be able to have a gun IN THEIR HOME.(unless they have a history of violence or mental instability) Nobody should be allowed to walk around carrying one in a city except cops. Where you store the gun and bullets in your own home is no business of the state. It kind of defeats the purpose of having a gun in your home for protection if you have to have it locked up and the bullets stored seperately. It would take cops half an hour to drive to my house if I had to call them. By that time some psycho could have killed my whole family. why shouldn't I be able to keep my gun in my headboard of my bed, with a full clip, where it will actually do some good? I don't like violations of civil liberties from either side of the political spectrum.

The point of NOT having guns everywhere, and imposing severe punishments on those who possess and use firearms illegally is that most psychos won't be able to GET guns to murder your family.

And the reason it might take cops half an hour to get to your house is because we don't have nearly enough of them, because we pay them far too much money.

[Guest Derek L]

Makes no sense to me. We heard about people putting bullets on train tracks, when we were kids. Bullets should be hard to get.

Do you know the laws pertaining to purchasing Ammo?

[Guest Derek L]

Nobody should be armed except the police. Nobody. Anyone else caught with a gun in an urban setting ought to be sent to prison for a very long time. Hunters can pick up their guns on their way out of town.

I'm okay with rural folk having guns because a gun can be a necessary tool in a rural area. That is not the case in an urban area.

Allan Rock and Heinrich Himmler shared much the same views.......

[cybercoma]

Heinrich Himmler shared much the same views.......

If only the Jews were armed, eh?

[Guest Derek L]

If only the Jews were armed, eh?

They sure would have had better chances during the mid 30s........Or one could say, if not for (allowing for some thread drift) Western disarmament and appeasement, history might have played out different………That’s not to say today, that I’d rather an all expense paid trip for four to a modern Buchenwald as opposed to having Gunz ’n Ammo in the house.

[Vendetta]

The point of NOT having guns everywhere, and imposing severe punishments on those who possess and use firearms illegally is that most psychos won't be able to GET guns to murder your family.

And the reason it might take cops half an hour to get to your house is because we don't have nearly enough of them, because we pay them far too much money.

Actually I wasn't suggesting the psycho would use a gun, I was thinking he had a knife, a bat, or maybe an axe. He then would find out that he was bringing the wrong weapon to a gunfight. If someone breaks into my house in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night where my family is sleeping, I think it is fairly safe to assume their intentions are not honourable. Having a gun within my reach and the clip at hand could ensure that some psycho can't get close enough to me or my family to use his axe, knife, or bat. It at least gives us a fighting chance against an intruder who may have a gun aquired legally or illegally. Education and training on the uses and dangers of firearms is pretty standard from a very young age in rural areas like the one I live in. We learn to use the tools we need to protect our animals from predators, no reason we shouldn't also be able to protect our humans.

[Guest Manny]

Actually I wasn't suggesting the psycho would use a gun, I was thinking he had a knife, a bat, or maybe an axe. He then would find out that he was bringing the wrong weapon to a gunfight. If someone breaks into my house in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night where my family is sleeping, I think it is fairly safe to assume their intentions are not honourable. Having a gun within my reach and the clip at hand could ensure that some psycho can't get close enough to me or my family to use his axe, knife, or bat. It at least gives us a fighting chance against an intruder who may have a gun aquired legally or illegally. Education and training on the uses and dangers of firearms is pretty standard from a very young age in rural areas like the one I live in. We learn to use the tools we need to protect our animals from predators, no reason we shouldn't also be able to protect our humans.

How sad that such fears should possess us that we feel a need to carry a gun.

[Shady]

Nobody should be armed except the police. Nobody. Anyone else caught with a gun in an urban setting ought to be sent to prison for a very long time.

I used to agree with that, until I read about the riots in England during the summer. Now I believe in having a gun in the home for self defense on very rare occasions.

Ny motto is the same used by proponents of abortion. Safe, legal, and rare!

Edited April 9, 2012 by Shady

[Smallc]

Nobody should be armed except the police. Nobody. Anyone else caught with a gun in an urban setting ought to be sent to prison for a very long time. Hunters can pick up their guns on their way out of town.

I'm okay with rural folk having guns because a gun can be a necessary tool in a rural area. That is not the case in an urban area.

When you're right, you're right.

[Guest Derek L]

When you're right, you're right.

He’s not necessarily right, it‘s a mere opinion………Unregistered gun sales (here in the lower mainland anyways) have skyrocketed (sans two local stores) since Thursday, to say nothing of private sales………I’ve bought and sold seven rifles and shotguns (and three thousand rounds of surplus Chinese and Czech ammo) since Friday…….And I’ve been out of town until today for the Easter Long weekend

Has the world ended since the demise of the registry?

Also, if a future Government tried to implement another registry, what do you think the levels of compliance will be?

[Guest Manny]

Also, if a future Government tried to implement another registry, what do you think the levels of compliance will be?

Tell you what, this is just a general observation but this flip-flopping of laws by successive governments makes a mockery of the legal system. It could become a legal defence in itself.