F-35 Purchase

[Guest Derek L]

as I continue to highlight your reading & comprehension difficulty... that was not the point. When nothing is certain about F-35 scheduling & costs you seem hell-bent assured that significant JSF partner changes won't have an impact on the overall program. Of course you do! One of the points you gloss right over, of course, is the whole failed "inter-interoperability & joint operations" aspect this snafu highlights. We keep reading you MLW war-hawks trumpeting the JSF advantage to allow partner nations so-called synergies... I guess that just fell right apart, particularly between the British & French, over this British forced shift to the B variant... notwithstanding it's described, "half the range and a third of the payload", of the F-35C variant. Hey?

Do you understand that the CVF was originally intended to operate the “B” version, and the emphasis has only shifted to the “C” over the last few years?

Do you understand the differing requirements associated with Cat & Trap carriers versus STOVL? What about the increase in Naval platforms the RN/RAF will have accesses with the “B” over the “C”? The Greater interoperability between both the RN & RAF by using the “B” and not requiring the extensive CARQUALS for the pilots as the “C”?

And do you understand the intended usage of the RN’s QE class Aircraft Carriers, and as such, how range and payload won’t be a factor?

And what of the fact that they are switching back to a different version of the F-35? Why not use an alternative aircraft?

[Guest Derek L]

this is all very illuminating on just how far you're willing to go to ignore critical review & comment... Fogelman has a most distinguished career... medals and awards out the ying-yang. Your "pushed out" characterization certainly doesn't fit the summations I've just scanned. In any case, I note your continued self-serving acceptance of Laurie "fighter jet" Hawn as a supposed authoritative source!

Are you going to use a Clairvoyant to channel the opinions of Mitchell, Spaatz, Doolittle and LeMay next?

[DogOnPorch]

waldo is still wrapping his head around that pushing forward on the stick doesn't make the plane go up.

[DogOnPorch]

Are you going to use a Clairvoyant to channel the opinions of Mitchell, Spaatz, Doolittle and LeMay next?

Don't you know most of the fellows he mentions?

[Guest Derek L]

waldo is still wrapping his head around that pushing forward on the stick doesn't make the plane go up.

Indeed……..I’d gleefully engage Waldo in a discussion about maritime aviation, especially the Royal Navy and Fleet Air Arm.

[Guest Derek L]

Don't you know most of the fellows he mentions?

If not directly, indirectly through past “co-workers”

[DogOnPorch]

Indeed……..I’d gleefully engage Waldo in a discussion about maritime aviation, especially the Royal Navy and Fleet Air Arm.

Yeah, right. You and waldo discussing the significance of the HMS Argus over tea.

There was a time Canada figured it would NEVER need an aircraft carrier. Then along came the Type VII U-Boat. Why we don't have one or two now for Arctic patrol duty is a bit of a puzzle.

[DogOnPorch]

If not directly, indirectly through past “co-workers”

lol...ok...so this is a situation like when these same posters try to tell BC-2004 how nuclear subs operate.

[bush_cheney2004]

lol...ok...so this is a situation like when these same posters try to tell BC-2004 how nuclear subs operate.

Indeed....Google is now a suitable substitute for Admiral Hyman G. Rickover.

[Guest Derek L]

Yeah, right. You and waldo discussing the significance of the HMS Argus over tea.

There was a time Canada figured it would NEVER need an aircraft carrier. Then along came the Type VII U-Boat. Why we don't have one or two now for Arctic patrol duty is a bit of a puzzle.

*Jingoistic Chest thumping alert Waldo*

Indeed, and though not a Sopwith Camel, here's a intresting video of the last real Ark Royal and the difficulties associated with Cat & Trap operations:

[Tilter]

Do you understand that the CVF was originally intended to operate the “B” version, and the emphasis has only shifted to the “C” over the last few years?

Do you understand the differing requirements associated with Cat & Trap carriers versus STOVL? What about the increase in Naval platforms the RN/RAF will have accesses with the “B” over the “C”? The Greater interoperability between both the RN & RAF by using the “B” and not requiring the extensive CARQUALS for the pilots as the “C”?

And do you understand the intended usage of the RN’s QE class Aircraft Carriers, and as such, how range and payload won’t be a factor?

And what of the fact that they are switching back to a different version of the F-35? Why not use an alternative aircraft?

What alternative A/C ?? China's super fighter/bomber---- Russia's SU models?

Nothing else will come even close to the F35. I guess it'd be real handy getting parts for those Commie planes :lol:

[DogOnPorch]

Re: Ark Royal vid. A classic. Nice catch.

Edited April 23, 2012 by DogOnPorch

[bush_cheney2004]

*Jingoistic Chest thumping alert Waldo*

You mean like this:

[DogOnPorch]

What alternative A/C ?? China's super fighter/bomber---- Russia's SU models?

Nothing else will come even close to the F35. I guess it'd be real handy getting parts for those Commie planes :lol:

As well, a point which none of the anti-American crowd like to bring up is that there isn't a single conflict in history where Russian aircraft or their Chinese copies came out on top in a straight on fight. Usually, the combat results are disastrous for the side with Russian machines.

One poster here, I forget who, pointed to May 10th, 1972 as a victory of Russian machines over American. That day was so bloody for the North Vietnamese that they never recovered for the rest of the war...lol. I think it was because it was the day Duke Cunningham and Willy Driscoll got shot down after scoring numerous MiG kills.

Edited April 23, 2012 by DogOnPorch

[Guest Derek L]

Re: Ark Royal vid. A classic. Nice catch.

Indeed, it was from a (well done) documentary done by the BBC on one of the last deployments of the Ark Royal and many of the personalities in the film were ~5-6 years later aboard HMS Hermes and HMS Invincible on their excursion down South…….

One has to wonder if the Ark (and Eagle in ‘72) weren’t laid up, if the RN would have needed to make a trip down to the South Atlantic……..Under the adage of walk softly and carry a big stick.

Edited April 23, 2012 by Derek L

[DogOnPorch]

Every so often Argentina thinks it's a big-shot. They have quite the surplus navy.

[Wilber]

*Jingoistic Chest thumping alert Waldo*

Indeed, and though not a Sopwith Camel, here's a intresting video of the last real Ark Royal and the difficulties associated with Cat & Trap operations:

Very cool. Really good.

[Guest Derek L]

Very cool. Really good.

It was......the Doc was called Sailor and it covered everything (My father, ex-FAA, has a copy on VHS)…….Including the Bucc’s at a weapons range in the Caribbean…….IIRC Rod Stewart and/or Pink Floyd did the soundtrack. Not sure if they made a DVD version.

Edited April 23, 2012 by Derek L

[waldo]

Do you understand that the CVF was originally intended to operate the “B” version, and the emphasis has only shifted to the “C” over the last few years?

what was that title again... oh ya, 'embarrassing U-turn'... one you think will have no bearing on the overall program. Of course you do.

[waldo]

waldo is still wrapping his head around that pushing forward on the stick doesn't make the plane go up.

hey now... no other Sopwith gems to post, hey?

[waldo]

lol...ok...so this is a situation like when these same posters try to tell BC-2004 how nuclear subs operate.

ya ya, wasn't BC-2004s expertise focused on dipping thermometers and taking temperature measurements? But did the swabby use insulated or uninsulated buckets?

[waldo]

*Jingoistic Chest thumping alert Waldo*

yes, yes it is jingoistic chest thumping... Look, I appreciate you're taking a real hit when discussion actually centers on the F-35 overdue, over-budget and over-hype, but really, c'mon, I thought you agreed to keep the jingo chest thumping over in your dedicated 'fav aircraft' thread, hey!

[Guest Derek L]

what was that title again... oh ya, 'embarrassing U-turn'... one you think will have no bearing on the overall program. Of course you do.

Care to highlight how the British order of F-35s going from the “B” version, to the “C” version then back to the “B” will effect the JSF program overall, and the Canadian purchase of the “A” version directly or indirectly?

[DogOnPorch]

ya ya, wasn't BC-2004s expertise focused on dipping thermometers and taking temperature measurements? But did the swabby use insulated or uninsulated buckets?

Ask him.

[DogOnPorch]

hey now... no other Sopwith gems to post, hey?

It's true. Pushing forward on the stick makes the plane go down.