DogOnPorch Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 Personally, I don't like nuclear armed Tu-95s and Tu-160s invading Canada's airspace. Why do you? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
waldo Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 Again your alternatives (No jets or anything as expensive and of older technology but not the F-35) seems quite telling, well at the same time allows you to shift your goalposts along both the x & y axis with impunity………. As Argus has stated, your alternative is anything but the F-35.……heck of way to make policy considering your, as you say, 'heck of a way to make policy', rests on a decade of JSFail F-35 failed promises, failed performance, failed results delivery, failed schedules, failed budgets, etc., ... "over budget, overdue, and over-hyped" Quote
waldo Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 Personally, I don't like nuclear armed Tu-95s and Tu-160s invading Canada's airspace. Why do you? really? Just how big and hard is your boogeyman? But hey now... is this you offering up a rationale for Russian concerns over NATO missiles on it's doorstep? Is that what you're saying? Quote
punked Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 Personally, I don't like nuclear armed Tu-95s and Tu-160s invading Canada's airspace. Why do you? Personally I hate when we spend everything single red cent of tax dollars on military expenditure, and close down school, medical care and so on to finance it. Why do you love that? See we can both play to the extreme exaggeration game although it doesn't actually help the debate in anyway and makes us both look foolish. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 Personally I hate when we spend everything single red cent of tax dollars on military expenditure, and close down school, medical care and so on to finance it. Why do you love that? See we can both play to the extreme exaggeration game although it doesn't actually help the debate in anyway and makes us both look foolish. Well...you look foolish. I still do not want Russian nuclear weapons entering Canada or even NEAR Canada. But when a patrolling Tu-95 or Tu-160 gets close, that's exactly what happens. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Jack Weber Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 Personally I hate when we spend everything single red cent of tax dollars on military expenditure, and close down school, medical care and so on to finance it. Why do you love that? See we can both play to the extreme exaggeration game although it doesn't actually help the debate in anyway and makes us both look foolish. These are the Canada Corp. Conservatives...They'll simply privatize those things under the guise of "personal freedom"... And they'll justify publicly funded military budgets by claiming ,"The defense of Freedom!" Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
DogOnPorch Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 These are the Canada Corp. Conservatives...They'll simply privatize those things under the guise of "personal freedom"... And they'll justify publicly funded military budgets by claiming ,"The defense of Freedom!" And I STILL didn't vote for Harper. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
punked Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 (edited) Well...you look foolish. I still do not want Russian nuclear weapons entering Canada or even NEAR Canada. But when a patrolling Tu-95 or Tu-160 gets close, that's exactly what happens. Yes the bogeyman I know. The Tu-95 and Tu-160 have been around for like 30 years and we never need a F-35 before to watch them. No matter how many times you bring up the scary Russians they still aren't a reason to buy this specific jet sorry. It is poor logic. Edited June 24, 2012 by punked Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 Yes the bogeyman I know. The Tu-95 and Tu-160 have been around for like 30 years and we never need a F-35 before to watch them. That was our F-18s job...duh. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
punked Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 That was our F-18s job...duh. Still don't see your point. I think most in this thread are asking what at the alternatives and are they cheaper. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 Still don't see your point. I think most in this thread are asking what at the alternatives and are they cheaper. ....build your own and stop bitching? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 Just a question though if Russian aircraft do not pose any threat then why do we waste hundrds of thousands of tax dollars incepting every one...why not just ignore them , call it a day, and save a bundle... you mean those Peter MacKay sound-bites and photo-ops? Quote
Jack Weber Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 And I STILL didn't vote for Harper. Never said you did... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
waldo Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 Still don't see your point. I think most in this thread are asking what at the alternatives and are they cheaper. cheaper... and real, not imaginary - notwithstanding an honest discussion/debate on the role for Canada's military. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 Still don't see your point. I think most in this thread are asking what at the alternatives and are they cheaper. And I've mentioned that the Sopwith Camel has a proven track record. But, it might be a tad old, donchathink? I know that a jet is a jet is a jet to the layman...they all are loud and they all go fast. Russia, btw, keeps more nuclear warheads in their stategic bomber force than their submarine fleet. They take their Tu-95s and Tu-160s (etc) seriously even if you do not. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 Never said you did... Just checking. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 cheaper... and real, not imaginary - notwithstanding an honest discussion/debate on the role for Canada's military. That is the role for Canada's military...do more with less. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 And I've mentioned that the Sopwith Camel has a proven track record. But, it might be a tad old, donchathink? I know that a jet is a jet is a jet to the layman...they all are loud and they all go fast. Russia, btw, keeps more nuclear warheads in their stategic bomber force than their submarine fleet. They take their Tu-95s and Tu-160s (etc) seriously even if you do not. So Seriously that the Deputy PM said last month that they need to stop developing Bombers because and I quote "Look at the level of development of anti-aircraft and anti-missile defences: all these planes will never get near their targets," So seriously that in 2005 they promised to build 5 TU-160s every year and in 2011 they have only built 1 in 6 years. Yah I am terrified. Actions speak louder then words. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 You don't need to get near your target with a Tu-95. This is why fellows like you and politicians should leave the military thinking to military minds. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 You don't need to get near your target with a Tu-95. This is why fellows like you and politicians should leave the military thinking to military minds. Jingo porn time!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xseYfi1JPiU Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 Now you're just confusing them, BC. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
punked Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 You don't need to get near your target with a Tu-95. This is why fellows like you and politicians should leave the military thinking to military minds. Considering the politicians are the ones who put the money into the military I'll start worrying when I see signs that the Russians have things that aren't pre 1990 tech ok? No investment and all talk over the last 25 years means not a whole lot. The Russian boogeyman is so 20 years ago. I will also remember now we know your side was lying about the Russian boogeyman back then to justify huge military spending as well. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 Now you're just confusing them, BC. Since they miss their Soviet comrades so much, I am just trying to comfort them. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 Considering the politicians are the ones who put the money into the military I'll start worrying when I see signs that the Russians have things that aren't pre 1990 tech ok? No investment and all talk over the last 25 years means not a whole lot. The Russian boogeyman is so 20 years ago. I will also remember now we know your side was lying about the Russian boogeyman back then to justify huge military spending as well. How many Canadian lives would you be willing to experiment with? I wouldn't want a Tu-95 crashing in Canada let alone getting testy. How would you suggest we stop a single Tu-95 from overflying Canada Day in Ottawa just to thumb their noses? Phone BC-2004? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
punked Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 (edited) How many Canadian lives would you be willing to experiment with? I wouldn't want a Tu-95 crashing in Canada let alone getting testy. How would you suggest we stop a single Tu-95 from overflying Canada Day in Ottawa just to thumb their noses? Phone BC-2004? How many Russian lives would they want lost? Seriously it isn't an experiment, Russians care about Russians they don't just drop nukes because they feel like it and if they wanted to drop one on Canada 60 F-35s are not going to stop them from doing it. Sorry to break it to you. They have 4000 nukes 100 long range bombers not to mention their ICBM. Sorry Edited June 24, 2012 by punked Quote
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