Jack Weber Posted April 6, 2012 Report Posted April 6, 2012 Seems to me many racially unaware Canadians still haven't worked out that because of: 1. Low White birth rates and 2. Huge non-White immigration and 3. Miscegenation (race mixing) that Canada will become a 3rd world country. You can't build a first world nation with 3rd world immigrants. Racial diversity is a HUGE source of tension and conflict. When White Canadians drop to below 50% of the national population, do you think Canada will still be prosperous with low crime rates??? The Japanese are smart enough to realise racial diversity would ruin their nation. Only Whites are dumb enough to embrace the suicidal ideology of Cultural Marxism. SO many Whites have been brainwashed to hate their own culture and heritage. These self-hating Whites are anti-racist. Anti-racist is a code-word for anti-White. Look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tacvR87FzBU Hey Lictor... I'm a proud participator of #3 on your list! Still with the "Cultural Marxism" stuff,eh? Have you looked up the important things I asked you almost 2 years ago about W.E.B. Du Bois,as it relates to his 1903 essay and legislative and combative events that happened 40 years previous??? How are the plans for a "Global Fascist Empire" going? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
-TSS- Posted April 6, 2012 Report Posted April 6, 2012 Funny parody about what happened on your continent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tacvR87FzBU Quote
Michael Hardner Posted April 6, 2012 Report Posted April 6, 2012 How about if I throw in a large chunk of Pakistan? I don't think Pakistan is in the middle east either. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted April 6, 2012 Report Posted April 6, 2012 Let me ask you a question, Michael. Do you know any place on earth where there is a sizable minority of Muslims living in peace and harmony with the larger community around them? I'm not talking Canada's current 2%. I'm talking 10% + No I don't. What are you trying to prove with that assertion ? It's rather narrow and as we've discussed ad nauseum, countries don't compare well to each other. We can talk about Muslim countries that are richer, poorer... and Christian countries too. Or we can talk about race or other factors. What does it mean ? Nothing, if you can't prove it means something. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Bonam Posted April 6, 2012 Report Posted April 6, 2012 His post also suggests "once an immigrant, always an immigrant." In other words, immigrants will never be Canadian and will never be accepted into our society. Meanwhile, he criticizes immigrants for not assimilating. So is it that immigrants don't assimilate or that racists and bigots won't allow them to be assimilated? Assimilation depends on many factors. If you're a lone immigrant in a community where everyone else is Canadian, you have no choice but to assimilate quickly. On the other hand, if you're in a community where most everyone else is an immigrant, especially if many of them are from your same country/culture, you have the option of just using your own language with your fellow countrymen, not being exposed to Canadian customs, etc. The higher the rate of immigration (and the more concentrated the areas to which these immigrants go), the higher the chance that such insular communities will form. Major Canadian metropolitan areas like Toronto and Vancouver already have plentiful examples of such communities forming, and the resulting lack of assimilation. A careful analysis could likely find a limiting rate of immigration below which immigrants assimilate faster than new immigrants are introduced, and above which they assimilate less quickly than more are introduced. Such a study has not been done, to my knowledge. But if I had to guess, I'd say we are presently well above that limiting rate. Quote
Jack Weber Posted April 6, 2012 Report Posted April 6, 2012 Assimilation depends on many factors. If you're a lone immigrant in a community where everyone else is Canadian, you have no choice but to assimilate quickly. On the other hand, if you're in a community where most everyone else is an immigrant, especially if many of them are from your same country/culture, you have the option of just using your own language with your fellow countrymen, not being exposed to Canadian customs, etc. The higher the rate of immigration (and the more concentrated the areas to which these immigrants go), the higher the chance that such insular communities will form. Major Canadian metropolitan areas like Toronto and Vancouver already have plentiful examples of such communities forming, and the resulting lack of assimilation. A careful analysis could likely find a limiting rate of immigration below which immigrants assimilate faster than new immigrants are introduced, and above which they assimilate less quickly than more are introduced. Such a study has not been done, to my knowledge. But if I had to guess, I'd say we are presently well above that limiting rate. I agree with all of this... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Smallc Posted April 6, 2012 Report Posted April 6, 2012 Major Canadian metropolitan areas like Toronto and Vancouver already have plentiful examples of such communities forming, and the resulting lack of assimilation. Except that there's one thing wrong with this theory. Canada is a country that was completely populated by immigration. Canadian culture changes with each new wave of immigration. It is and always has been part of the natural progression of this country (and there are very few if any isolated immigrant areas). Quote
Jack Weber Posted April 6, 2012 Report Posted April 6, 2012 Except that there's one thing wrong with this theory. Canada is a country that was completely populated by immigration. Canadian culture changes with each new wave of immigration. It is and always has been part of the natural progression of this country (and there are very few if any isolated immigrant areas). I would suggest you take a look at larger cities wher one could conceivably move to this country and never have to learn a single word of English or French,or in fact,change their life one iota,because they live in an essentially insulated ehtnic enclave in a Canadian urban setting... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Smallc Posted April 6, 2012 Report Posted April 6, 2012 I would suggest you take a look at larger cities wher one could conceivably move to this country and never have to learn a single word of English or French,or in fact,change their life one iota,because they live in an essentially insulated ehtnic enclave in a Canadian urban setting... I've been to most parts of the larger cities in this country (other than Vancouver). I've never really encountered that. It's very much blown out of proportion. There's a reason that Europe is looking to Canada as a model for immigrant integration. Quote
Jack Weber Posted April 6, 2012 Report Posted April 6, 2012 I've been to most parts of the larger cities in this country (other than Vancouver). I've never really encountered that. It's very much blown out of proportion. There's a reason that Europe is looking to Canada as a model for immigrant integration. I live an hour from Toronto... It's not very much blown out of proportion... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Smallc Posted April 6, 2012 Report Posted April 6, 2012 I live an hour from Toronto... It's not very much blown out of proportion... Because people speak other languages on the street? Because there are some areas that have more immigrants than natural born Canadians? So? Quote
Jack Weber Posted April 7, 2012 Report Posted April 7, 2012 Because people speak other languages on the street? Because there are some areas that have more immigrants than natural born Canadians? So? No... Because some people come here and never actually have to adapt to living in the realities of this country because they never eeally have to change from what they were before they came here to what they,ostensibly,wanted to become... For example.. One can move here from China,watch Chinese language news on CFMT,go to Chinese only stores in Toronto,and,live in totally insular Chinese communities... And never really have to assimilate into this culture... I could speak to the very same thing about a certain element in the Polish community in Hamilton.. Immigration is a good thing,but the failing of "multiculturalism" is that it has never asked people who come here to actually make a serious attempt at being Canadian...It has simply said you can be whatever you are right now,just be that in Canada... I find there is a lack of national cohesiveness in that arguement.. Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Smallc Posted April 7, 2012 Report Posted April 7, 2012 One can move here from China,watch Chinese language news on CFMT,go to Chinese only stores in Toronto,and,live in totally insular Chinese communities... And never really have to assimilate into this culture... Other than some anecdotes, is there any real evidence that's happening? Economics, the major reason for immigration on both sides, necessitates English of French be spoken. Outside of a few refugees or some members of a family of economic immigrants, integration has, by most accounts, been very successful. Quote
Jack Weber Posted April 7, 2012 Report Posted April 7, 2012 Other than some anecdotes, is there any real evidence that's happening? Economics, the major reason for immigration on both sides, necessitates English of French be spoken. Outside of a few refugees or some members of a family of economic immigrants, integration has, by most accounts, been very successful. I understand the economics arguement...And I would be hypocritical to be "anti-immigrant"... Perhaps we should stick to economic necessity instead of "feel good" multicultural goofyness that says everyone is living in harmony and everything is cohesive... And I'll bet a vast number of recent immigrants,unless they come from places where English or French is spoken regularily,don't speak either very well... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Smallc Posted April 7, 2012 Report Posted April 7, 2012 I understand the economics arguement...And I would be hypocritical to be "anti-immigrant"... Perhaps we should stick to economic necessity instead of "feel good" multicultural goofyness that says everyone is living in harmony and everything is cohesive... Canada has always been a multicultural country, even before it was policy. I'm not sure how you can remove that. And I'll bet a vast number of recent immigrants,unless they come from places where English or French is spoken regularily,don't speak either very well... If they're an economic immigrant, they pretty much have to speak it well enough. Quote
Jack Weber Posted April 7, 2012 Report Posted April 7, 2012 Canada has always been a multicultural country, even before it was policy. I'm not sure how you can remove that. If they're an economic immigrant, they pretty much have to speak it well enough. I'm not sure either...I don't know how you break up ethnic enclaves in cities? People are going to naturally go to areas where they feel most comfortable... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
WWWTT Posted April 7, 2012 Report Posted April 7, 2012 Because some people come here and never actually have to adapt to living in the realities of this country because they never eeally have to change from what they were before they came here to what they,ostensibly,wanted to become... Ya so what? The Canadian constitution clearly states that we all have the right to freedom of expression!This includes the right the practice your own religion and traditions. Its funny that many in Canada that do not want foreigners to live here but want to adopt intolerant policy that some foreign countries have. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Smallc Posted April 7, 2012 Report Posted April 7, 2012 I'm not sure either...I don't know how you break up ethnic enclaves in cities? They break themselves up. Second generation immigrants generally become very integrated. Looking back through Canadian history, there has always been concerns about first generation immigrants. I guess this time period is no different. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 7, 2012 Report Posted April 7, 2012 (edited) They break themselves up. Second generation immigrants generally become very integrated. Looking back through Canadian history, there has always been concerns about first generation immigrants. I guess this time period is no different. and it's always during recessions. those god damned foreigners are taking all the jobs see. yet somehow not integrating or following our customs and traditions and are a danger to our society. Edited April 7, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
Smallc Posted April 7, 2012 Report Posted April 7, 2012 and it's always during recessions. those god damned foreigners are taking all the jobs see. yet somehow not integrating or following our customs and traditions and are a danger to our society. And I've never understood that, since Canada wasn't a country with a unified culture at the beginning. It was a coming together or English And French, firs in war, and then in peace, taking over land that used to be aboriginal. Those three founding groups were built upon by Irish, Scottish, and Asian immigrants that soon followed. There were the same concerns then as there are now....we seemed to do okay. Quote
dre Posted April 7, 2012 Report Posted April 7, 2012 (edited) I'm not sure either...I don't know how you break up ethnic enclaves in cities? People are going to naturally go to areas where they feel most comfortable... Not only that... but even embarking on a project to "break up ethnic enclaves" would in itself disgusting and immoral. The government should not even enter into that kind of thing. If we let immigrants in they should be able to live where they want to. This isnt the USSR, this is supposed to be a free country where people associate with whomever they choose and live where they want to. Who the fok are you or I to talk about "breaking up ethnic enclaves"? Edited April 7, 2012 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Argus Posted April 7, 2012 Author Report Posted April 7, 2012 Our current number for all immigration is 0.7% of the population. What's a more acceptable number to you? What we need, would be acceptable to me. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted April 7, 2012 Report Posted April 7, 2012 What we need, would be acceptable to me. Maybe we need more to support the retiring baby-boomers. That would be acceptable then? Quote
Argus Posted April 7, 2012 Author Report Posted April 7, 2012 Then you're completely unaware of the history of the Middle East. How would you term the cultures of the middle east? Progressive? Advanced? Inclusive? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 7, 2012 Author Report Posted April 7, 2012 Multiple steps are already being taken to address the shortcoming in both the immigration and refugee system. Canada, overall, has been one of them oct successful countries at integrating immigrants and making them work. They don't all set up in huge poor ghettos, and race violence isn't really an issue. No, they don't ALL set up in poor ghettos, and race violence isn't rally an issue YET. Most likely, your counterparts in the UK and France said the same thing some years back.. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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