Newfoundlander Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 I know people who hate Harper for being a "sell out to the left" Fiscally he has been, I hope. Quote
bleeding heart Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 Paul Martin went to the left as Prime Minister, one could argue, In what ways? Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Bryan Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 (edited) Paul Martin went to the left as Prime Minister, one could argue, but as finance minister he was fiscally conservative. No, as a finance minister, Martin was incompetent. Even Chretien says so in his book. I know people who hate Harper for being a "sell out to the left" Without question, Harper has moved way too far to the left for my liking. Many Conservatives feel that way. Edited March 25, 2012 by Bryan Quote
WWWTT Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 Rae congratulated him on his win and Harper called him an opportunist, amongst other things. Stephen Harper can't help but be classless and divisive. Harper is setting the tone early in this one hey! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 Jack, you raise a good point. Can Mulcair gain the support of the Western Left? It's interesting that the last three surviving NDP leadership candidates were all Easterners. Cullen presented himself as someone from northern BC but in this, Cullen struck me as a poseur - just like Martin Singh. On the floor the word was that Nathan Cullen brought his vote over to Mulcair and not Topp(final ballot) because Mulcairs support in the west is strong! Another privilage from being on the floor! Aswell Mulcair is the real deal!In our brief meeting he showed me that he has compassion and sincerety!And to add my collegues where all in his camp(and dragged me there too) and I will not dismiss the knowledge of my seniors! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
nyilas613 Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 Mulcair's success is a most rational choice for the NDP and the country. His uniquivocal support for Israel against blind anti-Semitism and the idiocy of Israel Arpartheid Week helps put him in the centre of the policital centre. It may well split the centre left between the Liberals and NDP to allow the centre-right Conservatives to continue to win elections. The difference between Rae and Mulclair is dwiddle dum and dweelde dee. Unlike Americans, most Canadians are not divided by their political allegiances. In fact what unites us, aside from hockey is our passion for shopping. So get used to it. The NDP voted for what Canadians want, someone not too dissimilar form either Harper or Rae. All want to continue with medicare in one way or the other (unlike our Americana brothers.) Most do not want to abandon NATO or Israel (unlike Ron Paul and many isolationists in the States.) No Canadian politician wants legislation to touch the abortion laws as they currently stand, unlike half the politicians the States. In fact, as the old saying goes, the only thing that separates the NDP from the other parties is about 1 or 2 points in the deficit, except it is precisely excessive spending that many taxpayers see what got the US into so much trouble. Quote
bleeding heart Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 Mulcair's success is a most rational choice for the NDP and the country. His uniquivocal support for Israel against blind anti-Semitism and the idiocy of Israel Arpartheid Week helps put him in the centre of the policital centre. It may well split the centre left between the Liberals and NDP to allow the centre-right Conservatives to continue to win elections. Unlike Americans, most Canadians are not divided by their political allegiances. With yourself as an honourable exception, I take it? Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Topaz Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 I think most Canadians who watch QP will reserve their opinion on Mulcair until they see his performance as the new leader and what his views for the party and Canada. Most of the views so far by some of the media is that he's a hot-head, with a bad temper. Aren't most Frenchmen? Don't most MP's who sit across from the Tories get hot under the collar in the House and people sitting at home watching? Quote
BubberMiley Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 Call me on my (914) area code cell and find out. That would only be possible if such a thing existed in the real world. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
madmax Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 jbg in the gutter how disappointing... Quote
jbg Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 That would only be possible if such a thing existed in the real world. It does. Do you want it PM'd? On condition it remains private of course. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 jbg in the gutter how disappointing... How am I in the gutter? I'm asking provocative questions, no doubt. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
madmax Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 i won't vote for a party who's leader has dual citizenship, the horror the horror... Quote
madmax Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 Agreed. I suspect that Mulcair will now defend first his left flank, just as Romney is now pushing his etch-a-sketch to the right. I don't know if this is good, if federal Canada is ready for this. The federal Liberals brought Canadians together. Well, NS now has an NDP government. I don't see regionalism as a problem. I view Canada as a confederation. I tend to agree. But then again, political parties come and go - like phones. The federal Liberal Party is like the old black Northern Telecom telephone. Once reliable, now outdated. Thank you August1991 and Jack Great back and forth going on .. I am enjoying it. Quote
mentalfloss Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 (edited) the horror the horror... It's scary that people who actually make that mental judgment before casting their vote even exist. Edited March 25, 2012 by mentalfloss Quote
Newfoundlander Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 No, as a finance minister, Martin was incompetent. Even Chretien says so in his book. He cut spending, he cut the public service, he cut taxes and he balanced the budget, what's un-fiscally conservative about that? Quote
madmax Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 These sorts of things might matter to Americans and Conservatives, but Mulcair has a proven his loyalty to Canada through two referenda in Quebec and by ending the federal separatists' reign in Quebec. On top of that there have been Leaders in the past with Dual Citizenship who strengthened our country and made it a place to grow and invest in.. Whereas its been some Single Citizenship Prime Ministers who have sold out Canada. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 On the floor the word was that Nathan Cullen brought his vote over to Mulcair and not Topp(final ballot) because Mulcairs support in the west is strong! Another privilage from being on the floor! Aswell Mulcair is the real deal!In our brief meeting he showed me that he has compassion and sincerety!And to add my collegues where all in his camp(and dragged me there too) and I will not dismiss the knowledge of my seniors! WWWTT He may have had support from some members of the NDP in the west but that's different then say the "Western Left". Quote
madmax Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 No, as a finance minister, Martin was incompetent. Even Chretien says so in his book. well if Martin was an incompetent finance minister... there is no hope for the Conservatives to ever balance a budget.. not that they ever have... Quote
-TSS- Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 By the time of the next election the Conservatives in Canada may have been in power for 10 years. That is a length of a period after which people are naturally beginning to yearn for a change. Only if the alternative is genuinely considered even worse the government still wins. Quote
madmax Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 Mulcair's success is a most rational choice for the NDP and the country. His uniquivocal support for Israel against blind anti-Semitism and the idiocy of Israel Arpartheid Week helps put him in the centre of the policital centre. It may well split the centre left between the Liberals and NDP to allow the centre-right Conservatives to continue to win elections. The difference between Rae and Mulclair is dwiddle dum and dweelde dee. Unlike Americans, most Canadians are not divided by their political allegiances. In fact what unites us, aside from hockey is our passion for shopping. So get used to it. The NDP voted for what Canadians want, someone not too dissimilar form either Harper or Rae. All want to continue with medicare in one way or the other (unlike our Americana brothers.) Most do not want to abandon NATO or Israel (unlike Ron Paul and many isolationists in the States.) No Canadian politician wants legislation to touch the abortion laws as they currently stand, unlike half the politicians the States. In fact, as the old saying goes, the only thing that separates the NDP from the other parties is about 1 or 2 points in the deficit, except it is precisely excessive spending that many taxpayers see what got the US into so much trouble. Shopping But damn that was a nice post Quote
madmax Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 (edited) How am I in the gutter? I'm asking provocative questions, no doubt. OK, maybe Mohammed Merah from his afterlife with 72 virgins. IT head not impressed.. Edited March 25, 2012 by madmax Quote
Argus Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 I see a new topic for the next character assassination ad for the Harper Government ... Mulcair is largely a mystery to most Canadians. Even those who pay some attention to politics, like me, have paid little attention to the NDP, given their relative lack of importance to things (that weird Quebec vote notwithstanding). Thus I think it's perfectly normal and fair to seek to describe and define him by what he is and what he believes in. And I confess that while I'm not overly concerned, I don't consider his foreign citizenship to be a "plus". Character assassination? That would be stating things which are untrue, would it not? Since Mulcair is in fact a French citizen what you're objecting to is people stating a truth about him. If telling the truth about your candidate is murder then you've chose the wrong candidate. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 Is it remotely possible that there are alot of unreasonable and completely unpragmatic(I don't think that's a word,by the way)that populate regions in the West? And not the east? Not Quebec? Not Ontario? I despised both of them for their hypocrisy, dishonesty, corruption and phoniness, and I don't consider that to be unreasonable. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 Cullen is no wimp, Cullen is 39 years old, he's more in touch with the youth of this country than Harper or Mulcair are Who cares? The youth of this country can't get their lazy butts out to vote anyway. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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