August1991 Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 First, with both Harper and Mulcair, the centre of federal politics has moved to the right - and become far more reasonable/pragmatic. Second, the political game is such that this was inevitable. Swing voters (the median voter) are boxed in and will have to choose between the NDP's Mulcair and the Conservative's Harper. There is no longer a mushy middle. Third, given that regionalism more than ideology drives federal politics, the fact that Mulcair is the great-grandson of Honoré Mercier may play a role in what happens next. Fourth, it is ironic that an ex-provincial Liberal now leads the federal NDP and an ex-provincial NDP is de facto leader of the federal Liberals. If the federal Liberals were a stock, I would put a sell advisory. Quote
stopstaaron Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 I look forward to watching Owl man Mulcair vs Darth Sweatervest Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
jbg Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 Looks to me like Harper may beat out King's length of service. He's relatively young and given the clown show that the NDP vote was, and given the fact that most of the NDP MP's in Quebec have no investment in their ridings or victories, I don't see this ending well for the NDP. And the Liberals....well that's a knee-slapper. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Smallc Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 First, with both Harper and Mulcair, the centre of federal politics has moved to the right - and become far more reasonable/pragmatic. Uhh, you couldn't have been much more reasonable and pragmatic than Chretien and Martin. Quote
jbg Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 I look forward to watching Owl man Mulcair vs Darth Sweatervest Is Mulcair going to surrender his French citizenship? Or is Canada to have a PM in Waiting who is the citizen of another country? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Jack Weber Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 (edited) First, with both Harper and Mulcair, the centre of federal politics has moved to the right - and become far more reasonable/pragmatic. Second, the political game is such that this was inevitable. Swing voters (the median voter) are boxed in and will have to choose between the NDP's Mulcair and the Conservative's Harper. There is no longer a mushy middle. Third, given that regionalism more than ideology drives federal politics, the fact that Mulcair is the great-grandson of Honoré Mercier may play a role in what happens next. Fourth, it is ironic that an ex-provincial Liberal now leads the federal NDP and an ex-provincial NDP is de facto leader of the federal Liberals. If the federal Liberals were a stock, I would put a sell advisory. 1.Says you...I don't think the NDP will go to the right,as you say.They are still firmly left of centre on the political spectrum.Perhaps they are about to grow up and are actually intending on winning instead of existing and being "the conscience" of parliament.... 2.I agree.The stand for nothing Liberals and their fearful faux sabre rattling about bringing down a minority government are gone.Voters will be faced with a definate choice. 3.Regionalism is the biggest problem in a country as large as this one with as small a population we have... 4.It is ironic,but,I would'nt kiss the Liberal party good-bye just yet.... Edited March 25, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 Is Mulcair going to surrender his French citizenship? Or is Canada to have a PM in Waiting who is the citizen of another country? I see a new topic for the next character assassination ad for the Harper Government ... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
jbg Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 I see a new topic for the next character assassination ad for the Harper Government ... Are you saying he's not a French citizen (link)? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
WWWTT Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 Any news yet if Harper has congratulated Mulcair yet? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
jbg Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 Any news yet if Harper has congratulated Mulcair yet? Sarkozy will get there first. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Jack Weber Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 (edited) Are you saying he's not a French citizen (link)? No...It's just not that big a deal for me...He's gone after seperatists in the Parti Quebecois when he was in provincial politics in Quebec...I get the feeling that if he was'nt a federalist he would'nt have done that... I doubt he's going to be cuddling up to Sarkoszy any time soon... But,I can see Captain Sweatervest using this as one of the standard Conservative character assassination ad topics... Edited March 25, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 Sarkozy will get there first. Time to give it a rest,chief... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
jbg Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 Time to give it a rest,chief... OK, maybe Mohammed Merah from his afterlife with 72 virgins. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
WWWTT Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 OK, maybe Mohammed Merah from his afterlife with 72 virgins. Ya OK this Merah guy has the ability to resurect from the grave to only congradulate an opposition leader of some obscure western country?And in order to congadulate some obscure person(from Merahs perspective) he must forever give up paradise? Sounds like a fantastik story for a movie OMG I can't believe I am reading it hear first.Oh wait don't tell me Merahs can travel back in time too!This is getting better all the time! Ok then,after Merahs congradulates Mulcair,he then spins counter clockwise faster and faster and finaly disapears in a cloud of smoke!He then appears in a 1950's nightclub,on stage with Frank Sinatra just in time to sing a duet of New York New York!!! JGB man your a freekin genius!I didn't think you had it in you and good night! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
jbg Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 JGB man your a freekin genius!I didn't think you had it in you and good night! First, I'm "JBG". My last name starts with a "G" and my first name is "Jim". Get that clear? Second, I appreciate the compliment even if you appear to be drunk or high writing this. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
August1991 Posted March 25, 2012 Author Report Posted March 25, 2012 Uhh, you couldn't have been much more reasonable and pragmatic than Chretien and Martin.Reasonable? Pragmatic? Sorry, whole swaths of Canada, both French and English but in particular in the West, could not identify with Martin or Chretien. Both were simply too far to the left.But as I often say here, regionalism rather than ideology divides our federal politics. Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 First, I'm "JBG". My last name starts with a "G" and my first name is "Jim". Get that clear? Second, I appreciate the compliment even if you appear to be drunk or high writing this. Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 Reasonable? Pragmatic? Sorry, whole swaths of Canada, both French and English but in particular in the West, could not identify with Martin or Chretien. Both were simply too far to the left. But as I often say here, regionalism rather than ideology divides our federal politics. Is it remotely possible that there are alot of unreasonable and completely unpragmatic(I don't think that's a word,by the way)that populate regions in the West? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
WWWTT Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 First, I'm "JBG". My last name starts with a "G" and my first name is "Jim". Get that clear? Second, I appreciate the compliment even if you appear to be drunk or high writing this. My appologies jbg. Let me make it clear that I do not drink or do drugs,well this morning I did drink a cup of coffe(first one in about a month). Hey I figured since you have a sence of imagination I might as well put the cherry on the cake! Or show you how to have some fun with the imagination. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
stopstaaron Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 Is Mulcair going to surrender his French citizenship? Or is Canada to have a PM in Waiting who is the citizen of another country? i won't vote for a party who's leader has dual citizenship, unless he renounces it I'm not voting NDP, or Greens since May is American that leaves the liberals Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
August1991 Posted March 25, 2012 Author Report Posted March 25, 2012 1.Says you...I don't think the NDP will go to the right,as you say.They are still firmly left of centre on the political spectrum.Prahaps they are about to grow up and are actually intending on winning instaed of existing and being "the conscience" of parlialment....Agreed. I suspect that Mulcair will now defend first his left flank, just as Romney is now pushing his etch-a-sketch to the right.2.I agree.The stand for nothing Liberals and there fearful faux sabre rattling about bringing down a minority government are gone.Voters will be faced with a definate choice.I don't know if this is good, if federal Canada is ready for this.The federal Liberals brought Canadians together. Well, NS now has an NDP government. 3.Regionalism is the biggest problem in a country as large as this one with as small a population we haveI don't see regionalism as a problem. I view Canada as a confederation.4.It is ironic,but,I would'nt kiss the Liberal party good-bye just yet.... I tend to agree. But then again, political parties come and go - like phones.The federal Liberal Party is like the old black Northern Telecom telephone. Once reliable, now outdated. Quote
dre Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 Reasonable? Pragmatic? Sorry, whole swaths of Canada, both French and English but in particular in the West, could not identify with Martin or Chretien. Both were simply too far to the left. But as I often say here, regionalism rather than ideology divides our federal politics. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
WWWTT Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 First, I'm "JBG". My last name starts with a "G" and my first name is "Jim". Get that clear? Second, I appreciate the compliment even if you appear to be drunk or high writing this. Oh yah jbg just to make it clear Merah spins counter clock wise to go back in time and clockwise to go ahead in time,and when he reappears his clothing changes to that of the specific time period so that the audience has an automatic sence of the time frame and direction of the plot. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
BubberMiley Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 First, I'm "JBG". My last name starts with a "G" and my first name is "Jim". Get that clear? Why would we believe that when you also claim you're a "left-wing progressive" who is an ivy-league educated American lawyer with plenty of time to spend on a Canadian political forum? You're a CPC shill and you aren't fooling anybody. I'll leave you to continue with your Harper-endorsed talking points about Mulcair's dual citizenship. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Jack Weber Posted March 25, 2012 Report Posted March 25, 2012 (edited) Agreed. I suspect that Mulcair will now defend first his left flank, just as Romney is now pushing his etch-a-sketch to the right. I don't know if this is good, if federal Canada is ready for this. The federal Liberals brought Canadians together. Well, NS now has an NDP government. I don't see regionalism as a problem. I view Canada as a confederation. I tend to agree. But then again, political parties come and go - like phones. The federal Liberal Party is like the old black Northern Telecom telephone. Once reliable, now outdated. I think the kooky leftists in the NDP had better shape up or go and join the Marxist/Lenninist party...That's really the only choice they are going to have.In terms of electability in a general election AND someone who is going to "take chunks out of Stephen Harper",they picked the right guy! In my opinion,if Mulcair brings the NDP towards the centre they will take the place of the Liberal party,and position themsleves for the most growth...At least that's the theory...It would be a mistake to claim that the Liberal party brought Canadians together.That may have been the case historically,however,since the '80 election,the Liberals have been an Eastern establishment/urban party...Even that's fading fast now... What was the quote from Trudeau? "Eff the West,we'll take the rest!" Edited March 25, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
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